worsty why will you not answer my question directly and give a read on mundivore
fine fine here's mine
mundivore gutleans town for efforts to solve and tone reads geniune. this is pretty much a gutread but idrt scum!mundivore does so much solving, they actually try to analyse me vs you when scum can just hang out in the shadows if you're town.
"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
We live in a twilight world. And there are no friends at dusk.
Noraa did 3 things this game. None were controversial. 1) Chatted with Arthur about my intro, 2) asked Not Known why he sheep voted at me with no comment, and 3) hopped on the Arthur wagon behind Mundivore.
Clark posted almost only fluff (the only player who I had no read intel on at all when I was at E-1). Oh and he voted Arthur.
221: TW replaces in for Noraa and scumreads Clark during his initial catchup (along with Arthur, everybody's favorite miselim). However, he gives essentially no reason. I believe this is TW distancing. Giving a scumread with no substantial case separates them but doesn't convince the town that Clark is scum, leaving them both cleaner.
Shelly subs in for Clark and all hell breaks loose. Shelly finds a few picky things about TW that call into question his motivations but it's really similar to my case on Arthur in that it feels like digging into technicalities and communication style rather than actually finding scum-motivated behavior. They lay into each other. Nobody else can really gather any meaningful takeaway from it. It smells town versus town. I believe this is intentional. Neither of them gave a case for the other that was convincing to the rest of us.
Especially interesting to me is how TW seems to have a very weak case against shelly. He doesn't seem to actually try to present a case, he points to his authority as somebody who has recently lost against shelly. Reminder: both players are calling for the others' head at this point and they are both experienced players who know how to communicate their cases.
Now at this point, something interesting happens. First, the town gets a friendly reminder from the largely town-read Mundivore. We are running low on time. Egix comes in and expresses the same concern. I begin writing up my Arthur vote and I see shelly has jumped over to him in my preview.
I make the E-2 vote behind her and I write it out explicitly in my post:
Two minutes later, shelly declares it is actually E-1 and asks somebody to force a claim.
I re-assert the count and tell her how she may have miscounted. She is wrong.
the worst expresses intent to hammer. A hammer that by now he should know he isn't holding.
Shelly again says that Arthur is E-1. She is still wrong. This is a full six minutes after the first time I wrote the count.
I quickly unvote. This is now officially the scummiest thing that has happened in the game. This sort of "blood in the water" heat seeking missile behavior is 100% scum shelly. This is her game.
Shelly provides an incorrect vote count. She's now supposedly miscounted twice? Her pedit is just a series of questions marks at my unvote. Why oh why am I holding up progress?
This was an organized gambit to get a role claim from Arthur. The timing was not an accident. That two different experienced players miscounted (one of them miscounting more than once?) is unlikely. They thought they could do this and brush it off as a simple accident. They thought they bought that with their doubledeckeringTM
VOTE: shellyc
if anyone thinks Sati is scum after this waterfall of paranoia, they very seriously need to check themselves.
this is sadly incorrect and the type of strategy which very few scum duos will actually bother engaging with on day one (for basically this reason: unless they really want to blow the thread up and drive each other into the ground, they're just going to look as though they're both manipulative). but it's an incredibly nuanced read which i believe and i'm pretty sure it's coming from town.
In post 503, the worst wrote:the type of strategy which very few scum duos will actually bother engaging with
Yes, except maybe a scum team made up of two experienced players who are used to being on opposite factions and are ready to style on a newbie game as a sort of victory lap?
In post 509, shellyc wrote:worsty can you actually Elaborate why you think Satis paranoia comes from town?
paranoia is NAI by itself
there are many types of paranoia in mafia and honestly, most types are alignment indicative. paranoia that the two most vocal players in the thread are scumpartners is a paranoid mindset as old as time, and I've found it pretty inconsistent with a new!scum mindset
new!town geeeenerally sign up to newbie games because they wanna play mafia with good mafia players and have a good time. They are generally anxious about being manipulated by big site scary experienced mafia players.
on the flipside it's like, one newbie scum in a hundred who sees that they were wagoned and then widely incorrectly townread, and celebrates having the pressure taken off them by scumcasing the two most vocal players in the thread. that's a great way to dive face-first back into the spotlight, and I'm having a really hard time believing that's what scum!Sati would be doing here.
In post 503, the worst wrote:the type of strategy which very few scum duos will actually bother engaging with
Yes, except maybe a scum team made up of two experienced players who are used to being on opposite factions and are ready to style on a newbie game as a sort of victory lap?
the fact this post was typed while I was typing #515 is like. A massive indicator that I'm just right.
also: sure, maybe - I think you'll find in general it's undertaken by experienced skilled scum with *low* clout who don't think they'll actually successfully drive their bus elims through. but yeah your suggestion is fine, it isn't correct but it's not fallacious or unreasonable at all.
In post 494, shellyc wrote:bluebells do you have any offsite games?
also, if you scumread arthur, who would move to the bottom of your readslist if Arthur flips green?
pedit: concur with that though im not a very mechanical oriented player myself
Nope, I'm a naive newbie. And it depends on the developing discussion.
In post 494, shellyc wrote:bluebells do you have any offsite games?
also, if you scumread arthur, who would move to the bottom of your readslist if Arthur flips green?
pedit: concur with that though im not a very mechanical oriented player myself
Nope, I'm a naive newbie. And it depends on the developing discussion.
fence-sitting alert
"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
We live in a twilight world. And there are no friends at dusk.
@worsty do you think arthur + me is the solve aorn
eh, maybe. I am pretty sure you're scum. Arthur hasn't like, played a scummy game the way you have but he's explicitly not towny. Arthur was lead wagon before you overplayed, so it checks out you might have thought you were diverting the wagon. I think you know enough to know he isn't a lost cause. who knows.
@TW I'm going to give you an opportunity to lie for me here now that you've had a couple hours to think about it. Why didn't you know the count? Why did you see shelly's post in your preview (re: your pedit) but you didn't see mine?
