Newbie 2031 - The Wild Hunt (End!)

[shellyc]

ok what if worst is town, satis is town, mundivore is town, I am town

and it's something like bluebell / egix

[Satisfaction]

You're like a suffocating fish, flopping on the dock.

[shellyc]

im trying to entertain counterfacuals and satis is just being horribly wrong.

[the worst]

@TW I'm going to give you an opportunity to lie for me here now that you've had a couple hours to think about it. Why didn't you know the count? Why did you see shelly's post in your preview (re: your pedit) but you didn't see mine?

Which count & which post didn't I see? Sorry, it is been over the last 5 hours the answer is as profound as "I've been at work".

[Satisfaction]

Oh no big deal. Just that one time when you pretended to try to hammer somebody.

[the worst]

?
my vote has been on shelly for like 80 years, I haven't tried to lolhammer anyone

[shellyc]

pedit: true, intent to hammer

[the worst]

ohhhhhhhhh
i didn't check the votes because i didn't really care whether he was e-1 or e-2
can you guess why not?

[Satisfaction]

The only way I'm backing down here is when some townie can talk me through why I'm wrong.

Spoiler: lock em up

Scenario for consideration:

Noraa->the worst

and

ClarkBar->shelly

is the scum team.

Relevant facts and events:

• Noraa and Clark had almost no interaction.
• Noraa did 3 things this game. None were controversial. 1) Chatted with Arthur about my intro, 2) asked Not Known why he sheep voted at me with no comment, and 3) hopped on the Arthur wagon behind Mundivore.
• Clark posted almost only fluff (the only player who I had no read intel on at all when I was at E-1). Oh and he voted Arthur.
• 221: TW replaces in for Noraa and scumreads Clark during his initial catchup (along with Arthur, everybody's favorite miselim). However, he gives essentially no reason. I believe this is TW distancing. Giving a scumread with no substantial case separates them but doesn't convince the town that Clark is scum, leaving them both cleaner.
• Shelly subs in for Clark and all hell breaks loose. Shelly finds a few picky things about TW that call into question his motivations but it's really similar to my case on Arthur in that it feels like digging into technicalities and communication style rather than actually finding scum-motivated behavior. They lay into each other. Nobody else can really gather any meaningful takeaway from it. It smells town versus town. I believe this is intentional. Neither of them gave a case for the other that was convincing to the rest of us.
  
  Especially interesting to me is how TW seems to have a very weak case against shelly. He doesn't seem to actually try to present a case, he points to his authority as somebody who has recently lost against shelly. Reminder: both players are calling for the others' head at this point and they are both experienced players who know how to communicate their cases.

Now at this point, something interesting happens. First, the town gets a friendly reminder from the largely town-read Mundivore. We are running low on time. Egix comes in and expresses the same concern. I begin writing up my Arthur vote and I see shelly has jumped over to him in my preview.

I make the E-2 vote behind her and I write it out explicitly in my post:

VOTE: ArthurConyl E-2

• Two minutes later, shelly declares it is actually E-1 and asks somebody to force a claim.
• I re-assert the count and tell her how she may have miscounted. She is wrong.
• the worst expresses intent to hammer. A hammer that by now he should know he isn't holding.
• Shelly again says that Arthur is E-1. She is still wrong. This is a full six minutes after the first time I wrote the count.
• I quickly unvote. This is now officially the scummiest thing that has happened in the game. This sort of "blood in the water" heat seeking missile behavior is 100% scum shelly. This is her game.
• Shelly provides an incorrect vote count. She's now supposedly miscounted twice? Her pedit is just a series of questions marks at my unvote. Why oh why am I holding up progress?

This was an organized gambit to get a role claim from Arthur. The timing was not an accident. That two different experienced players miscounted (one of them miscounting more than once?) is unlikely. They thought they could do this and brush it off as a simple accident. They thought they bought that with their doubledeckering^TM

VOTE: shellyc

[shellyc]

cause you're scum and wanna hammer arthur = but this makes arthur town

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-12

shellyc

(3): Not Known 15, the worst, Satisfaction

ArthurConyl

(3): Bluebell, shellyc, Mundivore

Not Known 15

(1): Egix96

Not Voting

(2): Redados, ArthurConyl

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: September 30, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Revised Countdown: (expired on 2020-09-29 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[shellyc]

@arthur why are you not voting for any of the wagons

[the worst]

idm if you think shelly/me is the scumteam. you're wrong on 1-2 of us; i think you're only wrong on 1 of us. how you bounce back from that fact is more useful to me than begging you to reevaluate it d1; just keep the strength of your other reads carefully in check because eventually you'll need to evaluate them.

[the worst]

@shelly rereading #529 i think sati has a much stronger read on what i was doing there than you do

Oh no big deal. Just that one time when you pretended to try to hammer somebody.

if you are town and you actually think i'm trying to bury arthur with that post, i'm not really sure what to say to you here.

[shellyc]

satis can you provide a readslist or something
anyways im ready anytime to claim / self towncase if you need me to

pedit: then stay silent

[the worst]

last interesting observation before i go back to work: shelly has not attempted to have a read on NK15. i think NK15 has been like, uncharacteristically divisive and easy to have a read on this game. i'm not sure what this really means but it's a thing.

[shellyc]

im townlean on nk15 for being bold and placing satis at E-1

not a whole lot of posts to go off though

[Satisfaction]

@TW you aren’t reacting like somebody who is happy that I am finally on team kill shelly.

[the worst]

i'm very happy that you're on team kill shelly.

[shellyc]

sigh

[Satisfaction]

satis can you provide a readslist or something

Not helping you flood. See #437 for the latest.

[Satisfaction]

Also, world laziest town play. “Just uh do something or something?”

[shellyc]

Town: Mundivore & Redados, probably Egix (I've come around on this one based on more recent posts).
Townish: Noraa->TW
Null: Bluebell & Clark->shelly.
Scummy: Not Known & Arthur

how's your arthur read coming along now?

[shellyc]

Satis if you've read my games you'd probably understand that ive become very deep in the scum persona and have forgotten how to play town lol

[Satisfaction]

Same place it has been all game. Anti-town behavior. No strong conviction that it’s scum-influenced.