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[UnaBombaH]

I went and re-checked this further.

I would literally bet my life on LavarManos being town, by the way.

This was basically their first post where they actually committed to it.

Since with a hard pr claim I'm not drawing the night lol with my heavy cringing, I'll just out myself.

Informed townie N_M, and previously Lavar, is town. That's my usefulness. Elim me to make N_M IC, I guess.

..and it went all the way to this before they hardclaimed.
And unless I'm mistaken, they were at

THREE VOTES

when this happened.
Pooky, Billy and BuDucky. So not even close to being the lynch.
And even if I promised to ease my read on Ducky, this doesn't look very good to me either. Reaction to that claim:

hnerejjehfjejfnnmrmmrmmmrmmmmmm
VOTE: nor

+

claims for the claim god
i suppose i should have just trusted my intuition on four.

OK, whatever. But this was after Ducky had abandoned the Sirius-wagon I had been heavily suggesting.
Instead, they moved onto Norwegian. Nep and now FourEyes had claimed already.

hnerejjehfjejfnnmrmmrmmmrmmmmmm
VOTE: nor

hello and welcome to the good place

THIS IS THE BAD PLACE. CALLING IT NOW.

Then why not return to the Sirius-wagon instead? -_-

[UnaBombaH]

Meh.
Ducky is just scummier than anyone else to me still.

[UnaBombaH]

And no matter how much I dig in the past, I can't find a reason to scumread OR townread N_M.
So it's always about sorting MWNN first.
And like Ducky so accurately said - today it should be a lynch in "good faith" if at all.

I can imagine a world where scum!MWNN did this whole path of gameplay, starting from the crumbs and all, and initially toyed with the idea of claiming something else completely.
This is still the first time I'm seeing an informed role with the knowledge of someones alignment.
I've seen more along the lines of "this game has no Doctors" etc.
So even if he was informed, and more specifically informed scum, I was wondering what kind of info he might've had.
What if scum knew something like "The town!Cop is N1&N4 only" for example?
Just toying with the idea.

[UnaBombaH]

I can imagine all that ^^ but I do not think MWNN is scum here.

[UnaBombaH]

If lilith is scum here, she's terrifyingly good at it.
Meaning that she could be teamed up with almost anyone - obviously not N_M though - and it wouldn't make any more/less sense to me.
But she's also just likely town.
But if that's the same feeling I'm getting whenever I try to reread Billy..????
Then it's just IV and Ducky.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm honestly thinking IV should be lynched today.
I do not feel like risking it for the biscuit on a MWNN-lynch, because it would most likely mean that I'm mislynched tomorrow.
Upon IV flipping red, it would still require for others to come around on scum!Ducky, but I guess it's more reasonable then than it is now.

IV -> Ducky is my most reasonable solve for now.
MWNN -> Ducky/N_M is like the far far back-in-line 2nd.

We should try and have a discussion about Billy if ANYONE scumreads them here, and maybe see whether there's something to see or just townlock them universally.

[the worst]

OK, whatever. But this was after Ducky had abandoned the Sirius-wagon I had been heavily suggesting.
Instead, they moved onto Norwegian. Nep and now FourEyes had claimed already.

it's almost like I scumread Nor on D1 : )

Then why not return to the Sirius-wagon instead? -_-

I liked the wagon, the bad place thing was a private reference

I just frankly disagree with you on iiii's level of transparently crumbling :s

[the worst]

I can imagine all that ^^ but I do not think MWNN is scum here.

post above is the tinfoiliest thing you've floated all game, and not something I can take into consideration for a good faith elim I agree mwnn isn't scummy this game

[the worst]

But if that's the same feeling I'm getting whenever I try to reread Billy..????

Talk me thru town!Billy and what gives you pause when you try to lock it in?

[the worst]

meh
sometimes I townread billy. sometimes I can't remember why I townread billy.
humour me

[ManWithNoName]

I would like to point out very quickly for you, worst, since we played together a bunch on my main. I feel that people remember how well I play based on whether they like my personality more than anything else. I have had a tendency to come through on ELO situations, but like I never felt I deserved either all the people who say I'm some great player or all the people who say I'm terrible. I'm wildly inconsistent and I'm really struggling in this game.

I think that we should go on IV, but, again, I will willingly take the elimination today even though that makes tomorrow ELO. It'll at least force a N_M night kill and keep the most skilled town players alive in ELO

[the worst]

fwiw I'm really struggling in this game as well. sometimes I think you're a mastermind, sometimes I can't see what you're doing. but I think you're a delight and you're consistently fun to play with. I think historically I was good at reading you; I can't really taste the same thing I used to but I think assessing it logically I'm getting towards townreading you.

as I said earlier, if you're town and we get an NM nightkill then {tw,Lilith,bp,una,IV} is out f5 and if town wins that my head will explode.

Let's solve today. if we were gonna policy elim you, it would have had to be yesterday. I'm not going with a shitty policy elim into an even shittier f5. sorry, if you're scum you're gonna have to show me what u got.

how are you going with IV, billy & una?

[ManWithNoName]

I have to reread Billy. I have an office day today so I'll do that.

I just feel like IV is the right play here, but I'll read what I can and get back to you. Or I'll skim at the very least... Probably skim, let's just be honest about my reading skills

[the worst]

I'm fine eliminating IV except for one thing: everyone except for BP has said they're willing to elim IV today. And BP hasn't posted today. so we gotta go deeperer

[ManWithNoName]

Okay. Hence why I'm not voting yet

[Billy Pilgrim]

also that’s not like 100% true? if mwnn is town then NM is town, but if mwnn is scum then NM’s alignment isn’t guaranteed?

This is true, which is why i think we elim MWNN. It either flips green and confirms NM which leaves us a pool of (Lillith, Ducky, me, IV, and Una) -1 to sort in 5p Limlo. Or it flips red. We're down to 1 scum. We flip NM tomorrow and we sort in that same pool of 5 minus 2 in 3p Limlo.

[Billy Pilgrim]

innocentvillager - vt
TheFourEyedDude - informed NM is town
Billy Pilgrim -
UnaBombaH -
the worst - vt
Not_Mafia replaces LavarManos -
lilith2013 -

shellyc - vt
Something_Smart - n1,4 cop
Nepenthes - tracker
NorwegianboyEE - vt
PookyTheMagicalBear - rolecop
plusJOYED - n2,3 neap


fill me in pls

I already claimed VT on D1.

[Billy Pilgrim]

sure.

he has had a guilty conscience at one point in this game. based on your skimming of his personality, why is that, and what does it say about his alignment?

do you think his push on shelly is consistent with his town tone?

pedit: sorry iv, i'm afraid.

Can you point me to the guilty conscience?

[Billy Pilgrim]

town!four -> town!nm. town!una. leaving duck/billy/iv. I don't think there's, like, any expectation that billy/iv as remaining scum survive this long. do all roads lead back to scum!duck?

pedit: as I've said before, I am absolute shit at reading crumbs

Shit it may be ducky. Ducky sees that I'm vt on D1 and thinks he can drag me to ELO, buddy me, and have me mis-elim someone.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I'm honestly thinking IV should be lynched today.
I do not feel like risking it for the biscuit on a MWNN-lynch, because it would most likely mean that I'm mislynched tomorrow.
Upon IV flipping red, it would still require for others to come around on scum!Ducky, but I guess it's more reasonable then than it is now.

IV -> Ducky is my most reasonable solve for now.
MWNN -> Ducky/N_M is like the far far back-in-line 2nd.

We should try and have a discussion about Billy if ANYONE scumreads them here, and maybe see whether there's something to see or just townlock them universally.

I'm pissed that we didn't have that discussion on my slot on D1. That was literally the point of my falling on the sword. But whatever, yeah, sort me. As I said on D1, it definitely made me uneasy the way that IV pushed to elim IV while leaving me in the scumpool after I had claimed. But like no one wanted to go along with that.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I'm fine eliminating IV except for one thing: everyone except for BP has said they're willing to elim IV today. And BP hasn't posted today. so we gotta go deeperer

You don't think scum is gonna at least be open to bussing today?

[the worst]

also that’s not like 100% true? if mwnn is town then NM is town, but if mwnn is scum then NM’s alignment isn’t guaranteed?

This is true, which is why i think we elim MWNN. It either flips green and confirms NM which leaves us a pool of (Lillith, Ducky, me, IV, and Una) -1 to sort in 5p Limlo. Or it flips red. We're down to 1 scum. We flip NM tomorrow and we sort in that same pool of 5 minus 2 in 3p Limlo.

ok: sort that pool for me.

[the worst]

sure.

he has had a guilty conscience at one point in this game. based on your skimming of his personality, why is that, and what does it say about his alignment?

do you think his push on shelly is consistent with his town tone?

pedit: sorry iv, i'm afraid.

Can you point me to the guilty conscience?

I want someone else to have a go at this first, it's really boring if I just do all the work and end up without reads on anyone.

[lilith2013]

I attempted to find it but the only thing I saw was him being like "sorry I said you weren't funny" at you.

[the worst]

I'm fine eliminating IV except for one thing: everyone except for BP has said they're willing to elim IV today. And BP hasn't posted today. so we gotta go deeperer

You don't think scum is gonna at least be open to bussing today?

sure, doesn't mean I won't make this post and try harder to sort everyone.