Mini Normal 2160 | FIA Group B | Endgame

[Billy Pilgrim]

IV and either Una/the worst is my best guess.

I think Una is a better chance, I know I'm town and if the town power is too high, it has to be his slot, then.

Why is Lillith clear?

[Billy Pilgrim]

What if its a Lillith/IV scum team and they just couldn't figure out how to reposition around my eating the sword D1? Because both of them did the scummiest thing possible which was to keep me as a scumread and in their elim pool while pushing elsewhere to eliminate D1. They both did it, and i said it on D1 and I haven't really changed my mind on that, I think thats scummy as hell.

[ManWithNoName]

IV and either Una/the worst is my best guess.

I think Una is a better chance, I know I'm town and if the town power is too high, it has to be his slot, then.

Why is Lillith clear?

Because she's been playing like town, I think.

[the worst]

i'm like almost 100% sure lilith is scum

[Billy Pilgrim]

IV and either Una/the worst is my best guess.

I think Una is a better chance, I know I'm town and if the town power is too high, it has to be his slot, then.

Why is Lillith clear?

Because she's been playing like town, I think.

But y tho?

[innocentvillager]

that’s fair. that’s a bit why I’ve been suspecting four, and to a lesser extent you, after I started townreading duck. I think someone said that four is an alt, and I think you’re capable as well.

I said I'm an alt.

The fact is, I'm an alt of a dumb player who doesn't bother to look for crumbs, which I know because I am he.

Just being an alt doesn't make me smart, or good. I use alts to hide from the people who know I'm not good or smart.

It is going to lead to the same reaction no matter what I say, so I'm voluntarily saving my time to allow you to just say your reactions without my need to feed into your preset reactions.

Fuck it, if you won't listen to me and eliminate the obvious Scum slot that just misread the Lavar slot. You can have the IC NM.

VOTE: myself

NM is literally going to self reveal as IC so like, hang the scum slot tomorrow. I'll buy the PRs another night of surviving

i don’t have as much time as I would’ve liked but I did go through four’s iso a bit

worsty are you referring to these quotes as the “guilty conscience”? I don’t think we’re syncing exactly, idk if I would call this guilty conscience as much as frustration AtE

gth this is NAI but the more I look at this it feels like town frustration?

Idk, I feel like four is... just town, I’ve kind of always felt it since the claim and forgot why exactly at some point but relooking him kind of made me remember some of the things I thought were unlikely to be in his scumrange and the alt switch kind of makes the evidence lean more that way (granted scum!four coulddddd have this motive in mind when switching to his main when under fire)

I guess it’s just hard to believe that scum!four plays a game of this caliber after his main experience with scum is those two games where he couldn’t do anything and deflected useless content. I mean look at what scum!four has done this game:

-somehow decided pregame that he would go for this long ass gambit where he immediately claims informed on some random townslot, or his buddy
-crumb the Lavar read at the beginning
-crumb the claim from the very beginning consistently with the plan to out it the moment a PR claimed
-Deliberately act in a self sacrificing manner as pure wifom, despite knowing that he’d be heavily suspected in late game
-hard push froppy town slot for multiple days and bet his own elim on it when the slot was literally going down anyway, also as pure wifom
-self voting then immediately voting someone else
-that “I’m a dumb player not capable like you think, Imma silently switch over to my alt to prove that I’m bad” weird thing with Lilith (which I TR, I obviously know what it’s like lately to feel bad about my ability to play and find scum and just go down as a liability, also related to why I TR bp)

All of this despite having little to no experience as scum with two low content meh scum games and a bunch of engaged towngames? I could see others players going for this approach as scum, but I would’ve expected scum!four to try increasing his scumrange “incrementally”, not like go balls deep with this massive wifom strategy while still maintaining more engagement than he is comfortable with as scum. If this is scum!four, and worsty assuming you linked his only two scum games, then... wow

I’ll be back tomorrow but I’m really not happy about this

[innocentvillager]

like it is POSSIBLE but Jesus ducking christ {bp, worsty, Lilith, una} two scum is possible

[innocentvillager]

yeah imma come back to this, I do have a tendency to townread these kinds of big moves especially coming from a slot with probably minimal scumrange. But like maybe I’m just right on four and it’s just time to sort the deepwolfs

[UnaBombaH]

though there's also the consideration that Una's role is negative utility

I was wondering whether you'd bring this up.
I'm honestly very disappointed if you somehow manage to convince others that I'm scum here.
My role makes perfect sense for town, not scum, and I've played it to further towns win-condition - not scum.
Scum having a roleblocker and me using my rolestop at the same time already creates multiple scenarios where there are "blocks" from both to our investigatives.
Not every game starts with a D1 that has a straight up claim for a PR, and then continues into a D2 with a more or less obvious "claim" for a PR-result.

[UnaBombaH]

Like, even just this - I can protect our "IC", or the claimed Informed, but our investigatives wouldn't be able to check him on the same night.
Just imagine if S_S had checked Nep N1 for example.
We do not have "too much power" considering the current way of how Normal games are balanced - town often gets a lot more than scum does.
My guess is a roleblocker+whatever Zombie flipped makes enough sense. (it was about hunting PRs right?)

[UnaBombaH]

IV and either Una/the worst is my best guess.

I think Una is a better chance, I know I'm town and if the town power is too high, it has to be his slot, then.

You are going at it the wrong way around.
The remaining scum are definitely in the VTs, since I do not think it's you.
But like I said, I agree on IV - the worst being a scenario.

[UnaBombaH]

i'm like almost 100% sure lilith is scum

You've actually been thinking this for a while right?
And just didn't want to straight up say it D3?
Or am I wrong?

[the worst]

you would be incorrect on that one

[UnaBombaH]

Ok then.
Thought it might've explained some of your stances yesterday, if you were secretly scumreading lilith and wanted to see something happen there.
My bad.

Now IF lilith were to be 100% scum here - does that affect your read on IV at all?
I'm most reluctantly admitting that I also sort of dislike the fact that there's very little resistance to them being the lynch today.

[the worst]

i'm flabbergasted that you, in all your reading, don't seem to have embraced how transparent it is that IV is buddying me

[UnaBombaH]

i'm flabbergasted that you, in all your reading, don't seem to have embraced how transparent it is that IV is buddying me

Oh, I'm definitely aware of that.
And it's one of the reasons why I'm willing to say it's the #1 lynch-option for today.
Go see it from my ISO - I've called the two remaining scum IV-ducky multiple times already.
But then again, based on how they've acted anyway, it might just be them being scared(?) and looking for allies/protection?
Dunno. But the fact that you'd be throwing them under the bus today seems wonky to me.
And if you are town, then someone else still is. Ech.

[the worst]

idk i really think it's peculiar that your default assumption is that him buddying me in every second post makes us aligned
you're like
actually good at mafia

[UnaBombaH]

Thanks bb.
But there's already so much tomfoolery going around that it's nothing to scoff at here imo.
IV buddying you, could just as well be "buddying".
scum!dissociating by the way of fake town!associations.
I originally had this same tinfoil-theory about your interactions with lilith, but decided against it.

If it's town!IV, I'm not sure if they'd try and pocket you without knowing your alignment - my interpretation of them so far suggests that they'd be too scared and paranoid.
Might be wrong on that though.

[UnaBombaH]

Do you think scum!IV would dare do that to town!Ducky?

[the worst]

ya

[innocentvillager]

i'm flabbergasted that you, in all your reading, don't seem to have embraced how transparent it is that IV is buddying me

i wouldn’t exactly call it that but...

[innocentvillager]

I mean there are a lot of reasons why I’m interacting with you a lot this game , surely you can think of a lot of them?

[innocentvillager]

like literally una has been fosing you since d3 with a side of me as the buddying wingman at some point thrown in there

but he hasn’t like... interacted with me at all and only with you

[innocentvillager]

una/worsty Probably not
worsty/Lilith
Lilith/una
Lilith/BP unlikely (?)
Bp/una
Bp/worsty

assumes four is town

I’ll fill in the blanks when I have time, think if four is town the team is one of these 4

[ManWithNoName]

Why is Lilith scum, Ducko?