Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[WaltertheDunce10]

I'd honestly prefer if we start on the people leading the counterwagon instead. Considering someone like Goofball called for a Vig shot on people voting IKS, it felt more like there was a chainsaw defense and less bussing.

If there's anyone who looks like a chainsaw it's chk with the generic we're not eliminating this troll message.
I doubt it was that, because it's chk's nature to rage against policy, but I'm definitely keeping it in mind.

The part where I call bs if it is chk nature against policy then why npom in the end.

[davesaz]

I'm a little more curious about the DayVig making it through the night.
And the DayDoc saving scum.

Do you think those are real roles and not just fakeclaims?

[davesaz]

I'd honestly prefer if we start on the people leading the counterwagon instead. Considering someone like Goofball called for a Vig shot on people voting IKS, it felt more like there was a chainsaw defense and less bussing.

If there's anyone who looks like a chainsaw it's chk with the generic we're not eliminating this troll message.
I doubt it was that, because it's chk's nature to rage against policy, but I'm definitely keeping it in mind.

The part where I call bs if it is chk nature against policy then why npom in the end.

That's a good question. I would have to analyze whether chk really thought NPOM was policy.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Chk, first off welcome, but what is your opinion on Dave?

Personally he has seemed townie since replacing in, but I believed his original form(Leia) to be very scummy.

I feel like a fresh set of eyes on Leia could offer some new insight.

Also, as superficially scummy that NPOM has been, I feel like we should stay away from that lynch.

Chk, Icerint basically quoted a bunch of posts from Leia that made me scum read her, was a shit case on TD. Thought she was kind of trolling, but she seemed to to really commit to it, so made me believe they were really trying to make a case.

As far as NPOM, he is saying things that I have said as town and got scum read for it. He is basically appealing to my emotions without even knowing it lol...which tbh, does make me take pause and wouldn't hate his lunch. But, I feel like rudeboy has some insider info that we should trust since I don't believe scum would stick their neck out for a buddy so directly.

VOTE: Siteflake

I am just going to stick to my guns.

Siteflake's reaction to being wagoned was so non-chalant that it is like he new it would pass(and if he is scum, good idea to look and see who was pushing alternate wagons). Imo, town would get at least somewhat defensive or do something to get votes off of them. The way Siteflake acted was almost like he had people to coach him and assure him that this wagon wasn't going anywhere.

And him calling out PK just reeked of 'let me find anything in his meta that can make him look bad'. How am I the only one that sees it that way?

I know I am kind of repeating a recent post of mine, but the timing of my wagon seems weird and I wanted to expand on a few of my thoughts. I just don't get the pushback on me.

There's a shit ton of WIFOM coming from NPOM's direction. Can some of you on that IKS train unvote so there's not an accidental hammer, please?

VOTE: NPOM

Do you one better.

About 10 hour to deadline, we should reach a consensus.

Siteflake's claim could be town or scum as stated, not sure the proper protocol on that...gut says still shred him, but....

NPOM has been really trying to poke holes in his claim in a grasping at straws sort of way, brain says to shred him.

And I don't get why anyone wants to shred Pisskop.

For Drew the things that stand out is the changing opinion on npom and he seems conflicted in the end on both wagons. Has reasons to suspect siteflake.
Not even close to all posts on npom/siteflake, Get a towny vibe from it though.

[Iecerint]

Chkflp voted NPOM based on my case -- it wasn't policy. Walter should know this, because he also voted NPOM based on my case. At minimum, I would expect him to remember that it wasn't policy.

[WaltertheDunce10]

That does it.

VOTE: I Keep Siteflaking

I am not really liking galron.
AlsoVOTE: unvote
I should stop hopping and make an actual contribution.
I don't like Icerint's list because it has a lot of town reads I feel like for this early in the day. pedit Coincidentally, now that I am looking at that list, slot's looker npom are reads I have a hard time with are listed as scum.

VOTE: WaltertheDunce10

Just vote Siteflake. You'll immediately feel better.

NB: If NPOM flips scum, I would be REALLY suspicious of DGB. It's VERY UNUSUAL for her to ignore someone who protects someone for outguessing flavor on D1. Her avoidance of NPOM all day is out of character for her.

Way to make me feel real self-conscious about this, Iecerint!

VOTE: NPOM

VOTE: iks

There's a counter. I am ok with him dying.

IKS is scum too.

VOTE: iks

There's a counter. I am ok with him dying.

IKS is scum too.

If both are scum reads to you, why join the smaller wagon? Asking for a friend.

Iecerint's case was convincing.

I will switch if necessary.

I don't intend to claim at all at least not today.

CLAIM STALL DETECTED

VOTE: NPOM

I believe AKS' claim. I don't know if it's scum or town, though. But I am willing to wait and see.

Starbuck is town.

Town mislynching my top townread is simply not happening. Any other questions?

I might have to switch my vote to you for this post.

Here is a list of people that aren't voting for scum NPOM:

BrightEyedFish
TiphaineDeath
Bambi Jay
Titus
Looker
pisskop
davesaz
I Keep Siteflaking
PookyTheMagicalBear
Gamma Emerald
a2rudeboy
Almost50

aka my vig list

Why are you defending him?

I just threatened to swing my vote back on him, if I'm defending him I'm not doing a good job.

Goofball seems to vote without a clear thought process. Also lack of quotes makes it hard to tell. Interesting to note while voting for Walter thae reply to someone was vote for iks. The claim stall is a bit weird. Other than that believes npom is scum. Considers to vote iks for that post on refusing to vote for npom. Neutral feeling
I am curious goofball if you believed both were scum why did you believe people who voted for other than npom deserve to be vigged?
pedit Do you mind pointing to where chkflip says that?

[a2rudeboy]

I'm a little more curious about the DayVig making it through the night.
And the DayDoc saving scum.

Do you think those are real roles and not just fakeclaims?

I'm not entirely sure at this point.

If fakeclaims, what would be the point, other than to distract from growing wagons? "The bantz"?

If the DayVig WAS real, we never got to find out because DayDoc got in before the mod.

[Iecerint]

Here's our back-and-forth.

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NoPowerOverMe (1): Iecerint

These all need explaining or movement as well.

1. This has been explained in like half my iso.
2. My reads are mostly unchanged since page ~30. My #2 is probably Walter right now, based on his facile approach to the IKS wagon, and NPOM's attitude toward IKS. IKS meta could have a big effect on this.

Idk how you could've missed it, but yeah I didn't read any of that. You can quote it, reiterate your case, or tell my why your vanity wagon is more important than majority.

Thaaaaanks.

@chkflp: [MY NPOM CASE]

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I'm good with this.

1389 is in the context of multiple players (including you) endorsing my 1354 and voting NPOM. I put 1354 together in the first place at chkflp's request (as above).

[Iecerint]

^ That's @Walter

[WaltertheDunce10]

K, that is a good point.
I can buy that is not a policy for chk based off that.

[Iecerint]

First one chkflip
Quick question, Npom was also a policy elim, yes?
Though we know he was the cw to a scum.

So, uh. Did you forget the reason that you voted for NPOM?

To me this reads like you generally thought NPOM was policy, rather than that chkflip specifically thought so.

[WaltertheDunce10]

First one chkflip
Quick question, Npom was also a policy elim, yes?
Though we know he was the cw to a scum.

So, uh. Did you forget the reason that you voted for NPOM?

To me this reads like you generally thought NPOM was policy, rather than that chkflip specifically thought so.

Honestly, yes.
I have been busy with work and been disengaged from this game the latter half of d1.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Dripping Goofball looks pretty bad here. Starbuck slightly less so.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Obviously Drip will claim she didn't direct the titus kill but she probably did.

[davesaz]

Obviously Drip will claim she didn't direct the titus kill but she probably did.

This sounds suspiciously like you thinking Titus wasn't the scum NK. To which I'd need to ask how you'd know that, or alternatively what do you mean?

[a2rudeboy]

Obviously Drip will claim she didn't direct the titus kill but she probably did.

You really confuse me with your posting style. It is unclear if you mean Drip will claim that Drip didn't direct the titus kill, or Drip will claim Star didn't direct the titus kill.

Either way. I'm not getting scum off of Starbuck. It would be a real ballsy gambit to NK the person you've spent all day arguing with, especially as an experienced player taking out another experienced player, with so many experienced players left.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not saying that at all Dave.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why dont you explain what you are saying then?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm saying drip had a kill list and titus was on it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok so how do you know this?

[NoPowerOverMe]

She posted it.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Here is a list of people that aren't voting for scum NPOM:

BrightEyedFish
TiphaineDeath
Bambi Jay
Titus
Looker
pisskop
davesaz
I Keep Siteflaking
PookyTheMagicalBear
Gamma Emerald
a2rudeboy
Almost50

aka my vig list

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so you think the vig killed titus and the mafia killed was blocked or prevented somehow?

[a2rudeboy]

NPOM- is it a deliberate tactic to post 3 or 4 short posts in a row, usually not quoting what you are referring to, in order to screw up any iso reads?

BEF/Pooky- was the dayvig/daydoc serious, or just Bantz?

[NoPowerOverMe]

No I think drip directed the mafia kill.