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xRECKONERx · Post Post #800 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:56 am

oh duh. nvm

ISO · Post Post #801 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:57 am

Okay I have info that needs to be shared. Reck can't tell you what Ythan is but I can. I also can confirm that VP Baltar is town.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #802 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:59 am

In post 801, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Okay I have info that needs to be shared. Reck can't tell you what Ythan is but I can. I also can confirm that VP Baltar is town.

what

Ythan · Post Post #803 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:59 am

Gettin funky.

duppin · Post Post #804 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:00 am

In post 784, Noraa wrote:
In post 778, Ythan wrote:Someone prevented my action from resolving on Reck n1. If it had he would know my role. I think the most likely explanation is that Reck is lying scum and blocked me n1 right after I outed myself as not vanilla.

Thoughts?
Reck said he blocked UT n1. That was a bit ~fishy~ cuz it was after UT said he got blocked n1. However I think we just gotta wait and see if a jailkeeper cc's.
But then also ... UT told me there could be two jailkeepers bc the formats fucked up or something

I believe UT's claim so I believe reck is most likely scum, but regarding this i either believe UT is telling the truth about blocking or he believes he is going to get lynched today no matter what and is trying to reveal the roleblocker.

I just cant see a world where UT does this as scum unless he loves the wifom. I suppose it is a possibility he is just reaction testing as well but meh

duppin · Post Post #805 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:02 am

apologise for potential wall of text,
Before I start talking about votes I will say that my top towns are UT (for his claim) and VP. I thought the way VP evaluated tn near the end was extremely townie.
I also have a slight townread on Gamma Emerald actually, although it's not super strong.

Anyway, to get back to the VCA the most interesting things to me were these:

Day 1 lynch:

chkflip

[OUT] xRECKONERx,

VP Baltar

, Untrod Tripod, Ythan, Gamma Emerald,

Annie Edison

, Haschel Cedricson

Day 2 tie

Noraa [X-2]

xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod,

tn5421

,

AGar

tn5421

[X-2] Ythan, Gamma Emerald, Noraa, brighteningskies

Then a wagon formed at my slot which resulted in this:

Noraa [X-5]

tn

,

AGar

tn5421 [X-3]

Ythan, Noraa, brighteningskies

Dr. pepper [X-1]

xRECKONERx, VP, Untrod Tripod, Gamma Emerald,

tn5421

And well then it resulted in a tn lynch:

tn5421

[OUT] Ythan, Noraa, brighteningskies, VP Baltar, xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod

So I find it extremely unlikely there is no scum on chkflips wagon, sure it is possible but I sincerely doubt it.
Which means at least 1 scum between Reck, VP, UT, Ythan, Gamma and Haschel.

I also believe there is at least 1 scum on tn's wagon.
Which means at least 1 scum between Ythan, Noora, brighteningskies, VP, Reck, UT.

As I said I have strong townreads on VP and UT. I also have a slight TR on Gamma. So from my point of view there is at least one scum between Reck/Ythan/Haschel and at least one between Ythan/Noraa/brighteningskies/Reck.

I believe Reck is (unless UT is reaction testing) scum. I also find brighteningskies suspicious, play is a bit too passive and seems to have no issue jumping from wagon to wagon. I think noora could be scum based on votes but for that to be the case I believe she was bussed.

ISO · Post Post #806 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:05 am

You were swapped with me by the bus driver. After Night 1 I got a message saying that I had received a mask that does nothing. I also was informed that VP Baltar was modconfirmed town.

There's more but I'll let that digest first.

Ythan · Post Post #807 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:09 am

Apparently I am indeed on that bus.

Noraa · Post Post #808 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:12 am

Spoiler:

This is not very helpful no offense. Ur telling me two big pools of people probably contain scum. like ... yeah ... duh
I agree with the UT is town thing cuz he had no reason to do this as scum.
The Noraa was bussed by her scum partners theory isn't sitting well with me. Ur trying to tell me my scum partners were in {xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod, tn5421, AGar}
Two of those are town. UT is conftown. Reck idk yet. I think its possible Reck is scum but tunneling is a pretty townie thing to do since it really sticks out and scums r generally afraid of the attention and shit.

duppin · Post Post #809 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:13 am

It's just VCA Noraa, you can draw your own conclusion. I clearly stated who I think he is town and who I think he most likely to be scum.

duppin · Post Post #810 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:15 am

Anyway @brighteningskies could you please try to go over your votes yesterday?

duppin · Post Post #811 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:18 am

In post 808, Noraa wrote:
Noraa [X-2]
xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod,
tn5421
,
AGar

The Noraa was bussed by her scum partners theory isn't sitting well with me. Ur trying to tell me my scum partners were in {xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod, tn5421, AGar}

Actually no that is not what I said. tn and agar are both confirmed town and I believe UT is town as well. Which means Reck could have bussed if he is scum. brighteningskies also voted on you yesterday but swapped their vote to tn shortly after.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #812 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:18 am

In post 806, Haschel Cedricson wrote:You were swapped with me by the bus driver. After Night 1 I got a message saying that I had received a mask that does nothing. I also was informed that VP Baltar was modconfirmed town.

There's more but I'll let that digest first.

uhhh okay. how do you know we were bussed?

Ythan · Post Post #813 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:19 am

Yes would it be prudent to explain how you narrowed down the redirection?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #814 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:20 am

@HC did the mask tell you who sent it

ISO · Post Post #815 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:24 am

The mask did not say who sent it.

I know I was bussed because my action, which was supposed to be performed on Reck, was performed on myself instead.

Ythan · Post Post #816 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:26 am

Whoah d3 is the shit.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #817 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:27 am

okay so you're a watcher?

at least that clarifies the manipulation from n1

i still don't know how the manipulation from n2 plays in

duppin · Post Post #818 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:28 am

are you claiming that this happened n1 or n2 haschel?

ISO · Post Post #819 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:29 am

I don't recall saying I was a watcher.

This was all on Night 1.

Noraa · Post Post #820 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:32 am

In post 811, duppin wrote:
In post 808, Noraa wrote:
Noraa [X-2]
xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod,
tn5421
,
AGar

The Noraa was bussed by her scum partners theory isn't sitting well with me. Ur trying to tell me my scum partners were in {xRECKONERx, Untrod Tripod, tn5421, AGar}
Actually no that is not what I said. tn and agar are both confirmed town and I believe UT is town as well. Which means Reck could have bussed if he is scum. brighteningskies also voted on you yesterday but swapped their vote to tn shortly after.

ohh ok I misunderstood. I thought u meant just in that little pool and I was like ... uhh no. But like ... honestly tho the reasons on me were low-key garbage imo. So I wouldn't be able to see why scum!Noraa's scum partners would bus her over literally nothing.

In post 815, Haschel Cedricson wrote:The mask did not say who sent it.

I know I was bussed because my action, which was supposed to be performed on Reck, was performed on myself instead.

ok wait I'm confused. So "bussed" I'm assuming would be describing the Annie person that died day 1's ability. What's that ability even do and why does something that happens to someone else change people or something? UT said the bus driver could target two people or something ..... how's that work?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #821 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:36 am

things i know to be true:

1. ut isnt lying about being a tracker. could be town or scum tracker.
2. haschel seems to be able to confirm ythan's role as giving masks? could be town or scum though
3. vpb is confirmed town unless haschel is going for some kinda mega big dick scum play w/ his partner (@vpb- u know HOW haschel confirmed you as town then?)
4. there is a 2nd manipulation role in addition to the town bus driver

i think that's all the info i can gleam. so that puts us in a setup of:

VT x3 [dead]
Town 2-Shot Bus Driver [dead]
Town ? modconfirmable role [vpb]
Town ? Roleblocker? [reck]

Tracker [ut]
Mask Giver? [ythan]
Watcher? [haschel]

4 unknowns?
? [gamma]
? [skies]
? [duppin]
? [noraa]

conjecture time: putting on my tin foil hat, i think symmetric powers are likely

so i believe scum has some kind of manipulation to mirror the bus driver
i would wager strongly one of the tracker/watcher is probably scum
dunno what the third scum would be at this point. poss. another rb

xRECKONERx · Post Post #822 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:36 am

In post 820, Noraa wrote:ok wait I'm confused. So "bussed" I'm assuming would be describing the Annie person that died day 1's ability. What's that ability even do and why does something that happens to someone else change people or something? UT said the bus driver could target two people or something ..... how's that work?

bus driver targets two people and swaps all actions targeting the two of them

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bus_Driver

xRECKONERx · Post Post #823 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:37 am

wait no. there's no evidence of a 2nd rb bc ythan said he wasn't blocked n1. nvm.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #824 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:39 am

i'm about to log out for ~date night~ with the hubs so ill be back on later to digest