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[the worst]

i feel slightly bad for overreacting but i do think the oversight about how i expect scum to approach this game was pretty substantial and i was a bit upset about that because that post *did* feel like a calibrating moment for me :c

[Billy Pilgrim]

it's mwnn + billy or nm

I dont see how you can come to this solve in good faith at all.

very slowly, and while grimacing.
can you pls critique it and not just shade me

Because you know im not a big advocate of bussing. In fact I only do it when I'm forced into it. Why would I have pushed MWNN as hard as I did D1 if thats one of my partners. Like, that pairing for me specifically doesn't make any sense, and the reason I said it doesnt feel in good faith is because of your history with me.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I also don’t think anyone realistically thinks I’m scum the way billy seems to be weirdly side-scumreading me, but it’s such a bad take that idk how to read it.

Its more a end of poe than anything else.

aren't... you voting me?

I moved onto MWNN and I dont understand why you would respond to this interaction between me and lillith the the comment that im voting you.

[Billy Pilgrim]

guess who's gonna wait for zombapoc to fullclaim
THIS GUY

masterpiece

it was but what are you like.. claiming

So is this some sort of cop claim? What does the ice cream mean? And gated to n2 and n3?

I'm a night 2, 3 neapolitan cop
because neopolitan ice cream

guess who's gonna wait for zombapoc to fullclaim
THIS GUY

there you go

good claim
VOTE: Nep

good soft/crumb, I should say

VOTE: zombie

explain pls iv

Why would a neopolitan and a role cop both be in town?

UNVOTE:

Someone smarter than me explain

- how was zombie’s claim a “good claim” when you

admitted

that nothing about that claim was required to be a town role?
- why did you vote zombie over nepenthes in the first place? did that reason disappear because he claimed? did you disagree with SS that it was worth giving nepenthes another day to clear herself? was your scumread on nepenthes that strong?
- why did you go immediately from voting zombie to voting elsewhere and questioning iv for voting zombie? again, what about that claim made you think he was town (or worth defending)?

other thoughts (not directed to duck): thought it was super weird that mwnn was like “this role should be scum since town wouldn’t have a rolecop and neapolitan, right?” while simultaneously unvoting the person he said couldn’t be town

Thanks for this. I dont think MWNN is scum now. I dont think scum MWNN reacts to their partners fakeclaim immediately saying its scum based on the setup.

VOTE: IV

[the worst]

it's mwnn + billy or nm

I dont see how you can come to this solve in good faith at all.

very slowly, and while grimacing.
can you pls critique it and not just shade me

Because you know im not a big advocate of bussing. In fact I only do it when I'm forced into it. Why would I have pushed MWNN as hard as I did D1 if thats one of my partners. Like, that pairing for me specifically doesn't make any sense, and the reason I said it doesnt feel in good faith is because of your history with me.

see this is actually a good point.
i'm ... actually calling mwnn/nm the simple solution atp

[Billy Pilgrim]

it's mwnn + billy or nm

I dont see how you can come to this solve in good faith at all.

very slowly, and while grimacing.
can you pls critique it and not just shade me

Because you know im not a big advocate of bussing. In fact I only do it when I'm forced into it. Why would I have pushed MWNN as hard as I did D1 if thats one of my partners. Like, that pairing for me specifically doesn't make any sense, and the reason I said it doesnt feel in good faith is because of your history with me.

see this is actually a good point.
i'm ... actually calling mwnn/nm the simple solution atp

What do you make of my above point? You think MWNN immediately shades his partner's fakeclaim?

[Billy Pilgrim]

guess who's gonna wait for zombapoc to fullclaim
THIS GUY

masterpiece

it was but what are you like.. claiming

So is this some sort of cop claim? What does the ice cream mean? And gated to n2 and n3?

I'm a night 2, 3 neapolitan cop
because neopolitan ice cream

guess who's gonna wait for zombapoc to fullclaim
THIS GUY

there you go

good claim
VOTE: Nep

good soft/crumb, I should say

VOTE: zombie

explain pls iv

Why would a neopolitan and a role cop both be in town?

UNVOTE:

Someone smarter than me explain

- how was zombie’s claim a “good claim” when you

admitted

that nothing about that claim was required to be a town role?
- why did you vote zombie over nepenthes in the first place? did that reason disappear because he claimed? did you disagree with SS that it was worth giving nepenthes another day to clear herself? was your scumread on nepenthes that strong?
- why did you go immediately from voting zombie to voting elsewhere and questioning iv for voting zombie? again, what about that claim made you think he was town (or worth defending)?

other thoughts (not directed to duck): thought it was super weird that mwnn was like “this role should be scum since town wouldn’t have a rolecop and neapolitan, right?” while simultaneously unvoting the person he said couldn’t be town

Thanks for this. I dont think MWNN is scum now. I dont think scum MWNN reacts to their partners fakeclaim immediately saying its scum based on the setup.

VOTE: IV

I had different thoughts about this almost immediately after I posted because I read lilliths thoughts about it and now I can see a way that it could have been a soft bus.

[the worst]

@ work, will be short on replies.
#4980 no
#4981 yes

[the worst]

i'm kind of indifferent. if it was an alignment-solving-thought i could see him reacting a bit more intensely.

[Billy Pilgrim]

@ work, will be short on replies.
#4980 no
#4981 yes

I cant even begin to pause what these mean.

[the worst]

just disregard it. in essence i don't really care/have a strong feeling about the questions in those posts.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I do believe we should have a discussion before the end of the day as to whether a rolecop and a neopolitan make sense as two town roles.

We have a mod confirmed rolecop in the setup, an informed townie, we likely have either a tracker or a rolestopper, and perhaps a roleblocker on the side of the mafia, and now a neopolitan claim on limited nights. The neopolitan claim seems out of place to me.

I am not saying that Nep is a bad elimination, in fact, I back it for this day as it stands, but, I'm not ready to end without a discussion of Zombie's claim after a rolecop flip. It seems that once we have a full fledged rolecop, the limited night neopolitan is simply a lower utility to town.

I feel as if that is a scum claim. He may very well have the ability, but it is in favor of the mafia, if he does.

This seem more solvey tw?

This feels like less of a soft bus and more of solving mindset to me.

Re-reading this is increasing my suspicion of lillith though. She votes zombie right after sighing when S_S told her she should be able to mindmeld with him here. Then Zombie claims nea and I dont see a single post from her at that time even interacting with it, and she interacts with literally everything in this game.

Then if im not mistake it was her that said at the beginning of today she wanted to check S_S's posts again today to see if he crumbed a different target.

I think she knew S_S was the cop d2 that got a guilty on Zombie, which is why she voted early, and also why she seemed completely uninterested in that discussion on D2. Then she knew that S_S was a nk target if she couldn't pocket him, which explains why the fuck she was so interested in his read of her.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I want to vote for the Zombie slot but I am aware that N_M is here and despite being town, I fully believe he will hammer this before the player has an opportunity to respond to the question of the legitimacy of his claim

Also this doesnt feel like scum

[Billy Pilgrim]

Yeah, i think im good with this.

VOTE: Lillith

[the worst]

actually yeet

VOTE: lilith

[lilith2013]

what in the actual fuck?

[lilith2013]

i voted with SS because he was and has basically always been locktown with me. i don't need to ask. this is actual literal bullshit.

[lilith2013]

both of you vote me for doing something fucking 3 day phases ago that was completely consistent with my locktown read on SS that i've had literally all game, over iv who wasn't townreading ss yet followed him onto zombie, and over mwnn who said zombie shouldn't be town yet left the zombie wagon. you have no actual reason to scumread me. i wouldn't be surprised if one or both of you are scum, but if you're town then you actually deserve to lose for that being the sole reason you vote me. and fuck me for attempting to effort this game. i'm actually on the verge of tears.

[lilith2013]

fuck this. VOTE: duck.

[lilith2013]

VOTE: the worst

[the worst]

i was hoping literally anyone would post before you. i didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

there isn't enough happening, and to be blunt i don't think anyone is really pushed to do anything noteworthy rn except for like. literally exactly you and i. billy finally made a move and it's... like... incorrect. una's reads aren't developping. if he's scum he's set himself up to do sweet fuckall in this phase and endgame. MWNN's read progression is scummy. NM's read progression is like, nonexistent, just for a change. I feel like I'm the only person comfortable with IV and I don't know how to explain it without showing it.

i was hoping you'd pick that me reading you as ??? => ??? => town => town was a signal that i was fishing.

VOTE: MWNN

[the worst]

this sounds meaner than it should but like...i'm glad i'm not the only one who is literally ready to tear his hair out over this game

[the worst]

i'm at about

{tw}
{lilith}
{iv?}
{nobody}
{still nobody}
{hello?}
{hello??????}
{una}
{bp}
{mwnn,nm}


mwnn/nm feels like a cheap solve but i'm just not convinced it's not right. if there's a wolf with nm it's necessarily mwnn. if there's a deepwolf with mwnn it's probably una, outlier of iv but i think iv is just town D:

[the worst]

i kinda agree with billy's rebuttal that his interactions with four on d1 aren't partnery.

[UnaBombaH]

Ok then.
While I was busy with things, it seems you guys had a rollercoaster-ride for the whole family.