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[Titus]

N1: I keep siteflaking
N2: Bell
N3: Mm
N4: Jackson
N5: Jackson
N6: Ralph

We're likely looking at Ralph Looter. Looter can't kill Jackson because it outs his clsim as fake.

[Glitch]

I was hoping I would get more info from my ISO dive of the flipped scum and while their interactions with each other didn't lend themselves favorably to solving this game, I found this quite interesting. Shelly offered 4 solves while she was alive. The first three all had confirmed scum in them, meaning her solves always included at least one scum buddy. I've colored myself town here. See below:

DrDolittle

/

NPOM

/ one of

Stanley and A50

/ one of the PR claimers? /

NEE

?

NPOM

/

stanley

/

DDL

/ one of the other PR claimers /

A50 or hiraki or NEE

glitch

+

siteflaking

+

NEE

? lol

So how interesting is it, that in her last solve presented, she includes five names, all of which I KNOW are town, except Ralph? Did she change her strategy of presenting solves with at least one scum in it? I kind of doubt it. This is just more fuel to the fire to lunch Ralph:

NPOM

/

A50

or

Ralph

/

NEE

or

Glitch

[Glitch]

We're likely looking at Ralph Looter. Looter can't kill Jackson because it outs his clsim as fake.

This would make sense if I understood why Looter's claim and Jackson's claim can't coexist. Stacked town doesn't mean the two remaining scum aren't stacked, especially if you're multitasking.

[Glitch]

Titus, according to your Looter/Ralph solve, this is how you read shelly's no-lim pool here, right?:

{

Ydrasse

,

Bell

,

Glitch

,

Fwesnid

,

Titus

,

Jackson

,

MM

} is my no-lim pool

Do you read this as scum planning since over 1400 posts ago for the final three townies to be any combination of shelly's list here and then she publicizes it here?

[Titus]

Titus, according to your Looter/Ralph solve, this is how you read shelly's no-lim pool here, right?:

{

Ydrasse

,

Bell

,

Glitch

,

Fwesnid

,

Titus

,

Jackson

,

MM

} is my no-lim pool

Do you read this as scum planning since over 1400 posts ago for the final three townies to be any combination of shelly's list here and then she publicizes it here?

Can you rephrase this? My brain fog is blocking me from understanding.

[Town looter]

If ralph is scum, titus is clear btw due to the motion detect

If ralph is scum, titus is clear btw due to the motion detect

Or in other words they're a SvT at the most unless titus is multitasking

pedit: Glitch motion detected ralph didn't they? That means they didn't visit and Titus is loud so we know who they visited. Both confirmed that they didn't kill (unless multitasking or ninja) and thus cannot be scum together.

I didn't really think of ninja tbh

This is nagging at me.

Here JV effectively confirm's Titus' visit. I didn't understand it at the time, because we didn't know JV was visited - it only makes sense if you know Titus used their night activity.

The bit I don't like is I think Town!JV would have confirmed Titus' visit, where as in a scum JV/Titus team, the visit would have been planned and JV would have known about it in advance, and it may not of been front of mind.

That is, I think:

Town!JV would've said "I got visited by Titus last night, and therefore Titus/Ralph team is impossible without multi-tasking"
Scum!JV would've made the posts above.

Given what you are saying about Ralph's VCA Glitch and given the incredible power of JV's role (which doesn't seem to stack up) I am feeling about 60/40 in favour of Scum!JV right now.

I looked back at my old notes, and funnily enough was SRing JV in the first part of the game. They started sounding very towny around page 60-70ish iirc, but I wonder if I was onto something here.

Still haven't done a ISO and full association analysis, I have been busy at work so only don reactive and mechanical thinking - but will get stuck into the ISOs this weekend.

[JacksonVirgo]

I've returned. she's okay for the most part

[JacksonVirgo]

If ralph is scum, titus is clear btw due to the motion detect

If ralph is scum, titus is clear btw due to the motion detect

Or in other words they're a SvT at the most unless titus is multitasking

pedit: Glitch motion detected ralph didn't they? That means they didn't visit and Titus is loud so we know who they visited. Both confirmed that they didn't kill (unless multitasking or ninja) and thus cannot be scum together.

I didn't really think of ninja tbh

This is nagging at me.

Here JV effectively confirm's Titus' visit. I didn't understand it at the time, because we didn't know JV was visited - it only makes sense if you know Titus used their night activity.

The bit I don't like is I think Town!JV would have confirmed Titus' visit, where as in a scum JV/Titus team, the visit would have been planned and JV would have known about it in advance, and it may not of been front of mind.

That is, I think:

Town!JV would've said "I got visited by Titus last night, and therefore Titus/Ralph team is impossible without multi-tasking"
Scum!JV would've made the posts above.

Given what you are saying about Ralph's VCA Glitch and given the incredible power of JV's role (which doesn't seem to stack up) I am feeling about 60/40 in favour of Scum!JV right now.

I looked back at my old notes, and funnily enough was SRing JV in the first part of the game. They started sounding very towny around page 60-70ish iirc, but I wonder if I was onto something here.

Still haven't done a ISO and full association analysis, I have been busy at work so only don reactive and mechanical thinking - but will get stuck into the ISOs this weekend.

Realistically, I wanted to make scum unsure on who Titus protected and thus didn't know if Titus was trying to protect or kill or anything so I didn't really want to say anything but I softed that in case I died to make sure if Titus claims that after I died (last night) that you could seed through my ISO and find it.

Also in a case of scum!titus and scum!jv. I would have probably just claimed they visited me to make their claim stronger, making it weaker doesn't make much sense especially when I was pushing for her to be on me.

[JacksonVirgo]

N1 - Healed Norwegian
N2 - Copped IKS
N3 - Healed Titus
N4 - Copped A50
N5 - Healed Titus
N6 - Copped Ralph

[JacksonVirgo]

I checked again. Interestingly we did not ask Titus who they checked on the day after Titus died.

Which is the night Ralph returned a negative.

Curiosuly, JV got to this way before I did (5669), but didn't think to ask who Titus baby sat...

They babysat me that's why I thought Titus was clear if ralph was scum unless they had multitasking

[JacksonVirgo]

Just finished work. You have no idea how confusing working with two others with your exact name

[Glitch]

Spoiler: All Flake's interactions with living players

Are these people you want and think that can lynch today?
If yes, why exclude Titus? I find this slot as one of the most null slot in the game.

VOTE: Titus

I confirm Titus is lound.

Flake provided no interactions or information about Looter or JV, and only a tiny bit on Titus. Not what I was hoping. Damn. Going to look at DDL next.

—

Spoiler: DDL’s interactions with living players

Wheres ralph voting

Hmm the only thing I know about this game is that ralph is wrong then

Fuck off I'm not interested in claiming

whatever, vote jackson he's scum for pushing that egregious hammer.

that's fine both stanley JV and IKS have significant scum equity for forcing my hand.

JV did you think the hammer was real

with how much confidence do you think im scum JV such that you are willing to hammer a cop claim

town looter what's your purpose do you want my flip?

can ppl stop claiming prematurely i thought better of you titus

Also it must not have been hammer since they keep posting VC's and stuff. Can voteless people be in a normal?

why don't you just go to the normal wiki page and see if voteless is there instead of doing more useless stuff

No, I am a stickler for accuracy and a game that follows the rules. If you got hammered, you should flip. I would say this as any alignment.

Game integrity is important for me.

you can have a conversation with the list mod then. This is game irrelevant content and it looks like you want to use a technicality to elim me, which of course I'm going to scum read you for it

DDL is very aggressive with his words towards JV, of course because of the counter claim. He is also sharp towards Looter and Titus. He says nothing towards ralph, just about ralph. 1% more scum points for Ralph. Shelly up next. Shelly’s ISO is long. This will take a minute.

—

Spoiler: Shelly’s interactions with all living players

I looked it up on the wiki and babysitter protects someone and if the babysitter dies the targeted player will too

so it's kinda a doc / vig hybrid

claim seems fine at first glance but again I know nothing about setup spec

SJReaver was incredibly townie to me, but shelly is lowkey dissapointing

how am I "disappointing" though

Reading through the last few pages Bell is town (being paranoid about a mod error and showing the right amount of emotion), Jackson is town (trying to find as many possibilities as possible)

how am I "disappointing" though

don't ignore this Jackson

DrDolittle / NPOM / one of Stanley and A50 / one of the PR claimers? / NEE?

TR Bell: meta-read, townie attempts to solve
MM: verifiyable claim
Jackson: trying to think of all possibilities is townie, d1 was fairly good
Ydrasse: d1 was alright but I like the d2 start and the townblock attempt
Glitch: scum most likely wouldn't claim a vague PR claim

wtf just happened
didn't DDL get hammered
imo stanley is about 4th or 5th priority in my lynchpool
jackson's hammer lost town points though

how in the world do we have a gunsmith cop and watcher

I don't fully buy the novice cop claim

jackson why did you "hammer" anyways

pedit: what do you mean nice work.

Btw Jackson is claiming a cop of some sort??

You're very red if they are green, since your claim disproves the other claim from DDL

UNVOTE:
Fuck

does that mean jackson's another cop

what even is JV, full cop?

I'm not a full cop

FOR THE LAST TIME

can you roleclaim? stalling is anti town

because there is basically a cc war between DDL and Jackson

and claiming a vague cop doesn't help

well, I assume that means two Cops

two cops in a game?! bleh i don't feel that's very possible

So we have an even night cop odd night mystery PR, another mystery PR, a gunsmith, a babysitter alive

imo one of {glitch, titus} is very probable scum

the jackson claim was fine to me

His claim solves the cc war

ralph is a huge null

starting a wagon does not give you auto townpasses

New hot take. Shelly is scum.

Incorrect.

how does my post asking glitch to claim make me auto-scum?

New solve

NPOM / A50 or Ralph / NEE or Glitch

pedit please jackson give me the prize

maybe the scumteam is stacked idk

seems a little too many PRs though ngl

who did you babysit last night titus?

YESSSS

THEY ARE ODD-NIGHT SOMETHING EVEN-NIGHT COP

haven't heard much from titus really

i buy the babysitter claim but I want to see more content

NPOM claimed

TITUS GIVE YOU VCA!

i like fwes' readslist a lot

Bell feels pretty town but i think hiraki could feasibly be scum here

limpool {NPOM, stanley, NEE, A50, Hiraki, Looter} in order of preference

{Ydrasse, Bell, Glitch, Fwesnid, Titus, Jackson, MM} is my no-lim pool

another reason why I TR titus is I buy the babysitter claim

If Titus is town, we're good have faith in me.
If Titus is scum, mafia cannot kill me as they have to keep their claim.

I support this post since he seems to think it’s a good idea.

doesn't killing babysitter kill Jackson as well then?

shelly was a big advocate of mass claim and pushed Jackson at least 4 times by my count for a full claim. She wasn't 100% certain he was cop but

thought

he was. She was hardcore rolefishing, and if JV is scum, that makes it to where she had to be performing some serious scum theater. She sure did bus her teammates but she wasn't SRing Jackson. She was pushing, pushing, pushing him for a claim. That's scummy AF for shelly to do and is quite possibly one of the strongest reasons that makes me lean to believe JV's claim is true.

[Glitch]

N3: Mm

Had MM already claimed vig at this time? I can't remember anything lol.

[Titus]

N3: Mm

Had MM already claimed vig at this time? I can't remember anything lol.

He had claimed in response to being wagoned.

[Glitch]

Titus, according to your Looter/Ralph solve, this is how you read shelly's no-lim pool here, right?:

{

Ydrasse

,

Bell

,

Glitch

,

Fwesnid

,

Titus

,

Jackson

,

MM

} is my no-lim pool

Do you read this as scum planning since over 1400 posts ago for the final three townies to be any combination of shelly's list here and then she publicizes it here?

Can you rephrase this? My brain fog is blocking me from understanding.

Shelly provided a list of people she wanted to stay alive.
You suggested the solve may be Ralph and Looter.
Shelly's list included everyone currently alive except Ralph and Looter.

If that's the case, do you think shelly's no-lim list is a pool of the town players that scum wanted to be in the endgame?
Do you believe that shelly would make this "no-lim" list without any scum in the list?

[Glitch]

N3: Mm

Had MM already claimed vig at this time? I can't remember anything lol.

He had claimed in response to being wagoned.

Interesting.
Why would scum!Titus babysit the vig? Y'all help me out. My SR on Titus is slowly slipping away.

[Glitch]

If ralph is scum, titus is clear btw due to the motion detect

If ralph is scum, titus is clear btw due to the motion detect

Or in other words they're a SvT at the most unless titus is multitasking

pedit: Glitch motion detected ralph didn't they? That means they didn't visit and Titus is loud so we know who they visited. Both confirmed that they didn't kill (unless multitasking or ninja) and thus cannot be scum together.

I didn't really think of ninja tbh

This is nagging at me.

Here JV effectively confirm's Titus' visit. I didn't understand it at the time, because we didn't know JV was visited - it only makes sense if you know Titus used their night activity.

The bit I don't like is I think Town!JV would have confirmed Titus' visit, where as in a scum JV/Titus team, the visit would have been planned and JV would have known about it in advance, and it may not of been front of mind.

That is, I think:

Town!JV would've said "I got visited by Titus last night, and therefore Titus/Ralph team is impossible without multi-tasking"
Scum!JV would've made the posts above.

Given what you are saying about Ralph's VCA Glitch and given the incredible power of JV's role (which doesn't seem to stack up) I am feeling about 60/40 in favour of Scum!JV right now.

I looked back at my old notes, and funnily enough was SRing JV in the first part of the game. They started sounding very towny around page 60-70ish iirc, but I wonder if I was onto something here.

Still haven't done a ISO and full association analysis, I have been busy at work so only don reactive and mechanical thinking - but will get stuck into the ISOs this weekend.

TBH this post makes me lean a little less town on Looter. This is such a stretch. Criticizing the way that JV informed the rest of us that he was visited by Titus seems like the kind of grasping for straws that I have to do when I'm scum and am running out of ways to smear town.

I'm just really confused right now and don't know who to believe. Ralph has to be scum. I just don't know who his partner is yet.

I'm running out of steam and don't have much left right now. I'll be waiting for Ralph to come back from V/LA. But I am prepared to vote Ralph at this point and will do so unless he return with some remarkable comeback.

[Titus]

Titus, according to your Looter/Ralph solve, this is how you read shelly's no-lim pool here, right?:

{

Ydrasse

,

Bell

,

Glitch

,

Fwesnid

,

Titus

,

Jackson

,

MM

} is my no-lim pool

Do you read this as scum planning since over 1400 posts ago for the final three townies to be any combination of shelly's list here and then she publicizes it here?

Can you rephrase this? My brain fog is blocking me from understanding.

Shelly provided a list of people she wanted to stay alive.
You suggested the solve may be Ralph and Looter.
Shelly's list included everyone currently alive except Ralph and Looter.

If that's the case, do you think shelly's no-lim list is a pool of the town players that scum wanted to be in the endgame?
Do you believe that shelly would make this "no-lim" list without any scum in the list?

Yes, shelley was a) widely suspected so people might assume scum in the list, shading them b) it distances slightly from her partners without having to shade them by name.

[JacksonVirgo]

I did some thinking while off-site because this was getting really stressful for me. I think Titus is probably just Town because they would need to be multitasking for them to be able to babysit and for ralph to not do the kill. Although Titus DID ask the mod if scum can be multitasking in thread which seems incredibly manipulative into making me think "Titus is conf town because no multiasking" like something I would do as scum.

I'll give looter and titus an ISO dive soon I think

[JacksonVirgo]

I did some thinking while off-site because this was getting really stressful for me. I think Titus is probably just Town because they would need to be multitasking for them to be able to babysit and for ralph to not do the kill. Although Titus DID ask the mod if scum can be multitasking in thread which seems incredibly manipulative into making me think "Titus is conf town because no multiasking" like something I would do as scum.

I'll give looter and titus an ISO dive soon I think

I'd do this because not everyone sees my insta-win scenario when Ralph flips red.

[JacksonVirgo]

This game is dying slowly, I would push for everyone to speed-hammer here and then insta-solve via my thing but you probably shouldn't from your perspective so I'll just hold up here.

I'll be back in a few hours

[Micc]

Votecount 7.03

ralph217 (1) -

JacksonVirgo

JacksonVirgo (1) -

ralph217

Not Voting (3) -

Titus, Town looter, Glitch

With 5 players alive it takes 3 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 7 is in (expired on 2020-10-06 18:00:00).

Prodding ralph217.

[JacksonVirgo]

Honestly I think Ralph is purposefully stalling because they’ve realised they’ve lost

[Glitch]

I did some thinking while off-site because this was getting really stressful for me. I think Titus is probably just Town because they would need to be multitasking for them to be able to babysit and for ralph to not do the kill. Although Titus DID ask the mod if scum can be multitasking in thread which seems incredibly manipulative into making me think "Titus is conf town because no multiasking" like something I would do as scum.

I'll give looter and titus an ISO dive soon I think

Literally flawless insta-win except if Titus is multitasking.

[Glitch]

It also presumes I 100% TR you and you 100% TR me. Good thing is I think both are the case. Particularly after casing shelly pr hunting you so hard.