Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

[MURDERCAT]

I've gotten minor scum pings from murdercat

I know we talked about this before when you misunderstood me, but I'm surprised to see you'd still vote me now. I know you said it's not a strong read, but I'd be interested to hear your explanation if you don't mind.

[OutWorldER]

Murdercat gives me gut feelings of scum from the way he dismissed the growing wagon on him but I'll admit that's weak, which is I'm not voting him. I'd like a proper wagon on him sometime, but like I said, I'd rather have a wagon somebody who will be troublesome to read so we can figure them out early.

you cite a weak gutread here as a reason for not voting murdercat, but is that not what made you want to push blitzo?

part of the reason

is there any other specific reason you are not voting murdercat?

In that particular instance I decided it was better to try and pressure a slot I felt was hard to get a grasp on than push minor scumpings. I'm still in the midst of parsing the information I've gathered.

[OutWorldER]

I feel like I should post more tonight but I'm very tired so I'll head to bed and try to engage with this game more in the morning.

[Thestatusquo]

I feel like I should post more tonight but I'm very tired so I'll head to bed and try to engage with this game more in the morning.

take care of yourself. it's been a hell of a week.

[Kasumeat]

This seems like a bit of a stretch - what makes you think I don't enjoy the game and what bearing does that have on my alignment?

I agree with the others re: this post. This is a bizarre way to react to an RVS vote on you. The only time I have seen players react to an RVS vote by questioning the logic behind the random vote is from complete newbies. So if you've been playing for years, your reaction is very strange. I'm trying to wrap my head around why an experienced player would react that way and frankly it doesn't make much sense to me.

Blitzo, my read on you was not very strong at this point but it was alignment-indicative to me because I think either you're an alt intentionally trying a different playstyle and your posting is strange because it's unnatural for you (which is alignment-neutral) or you're scum and your posting is strange because most people post less naturally as scum. Why are you asking me about the justification for my RVS vote on you?

[Kasumeat]

I've mostly liked Murdercat except for this:

{Thestatusquo}
{Panzerjager, PookyTheMagicalBear, The Bulge}
{Not_Mafia, Noraa, Kasumeat, duppin, OutWorldER, UneducatedGuesser}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Blitzo}

pedit: Was just about to post this for content but ok

I agree with the SRs but the TRs on Panzer and Pooky are bizarre. Panzer has just two RVS votes and Pooky has made nothing but no-content white noise posts. Why do you TR them?

[Kasumeat]

Uneductaed Guesser, Duppin, Panzer, Noraa, Not Mafia, and Pooky haven't really made a post with content yet. I'd like to hear from them. Pooky bother's me the most here since he's been posting but not really saying anything.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I agree with the SRs but the TRs on Panzer and Pooky are bizarre. Panzer has just two RVS votes and Pooky has made nothing but no-content white noise posts. Why do you TR them?

111 is his explanation.

btw let's solve the game together Kasu. Are you good at finding bad guys?

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Outworld

Let's Powilate this slot

[duppin]

Blitzo stuff is...strange but I'm not sure if it can actually be extrapolated in a way the hints to Alignment. The most it could be is very minor scumlean since you can argue their abstinence from voting is obfuscating information but that's quite a stretch.

Either way, if he's going to be troublesome to read, I'd rather have a wagon on him right now.

VOTE: Blitzo

i actually don't think there is anything suspicious about Blitzo's post at all. sure its a bit odd, but i dont see it as being scummy at all. in fact i kind of feel it is slightly town simply because i think it would be odd for scum to do it but thats a stretch.

like you're trying to pocket shea while I'm trying to pocket shea and it is not cool yo

But I’m fully admitting the weak logic, and I’m willing to admit it was probably like 15% driven by wanting shea to trust me
Doesn’t exactly make me scum, no?

i mean even if i agree with your overall point the last comment is a bit odd. it's not like it makes you town either.
but anyway why do you want shea to trust you?

[duppin]

{Thestatusquo}
{Panzerjager, PookyTheMagicalBear, The Bulge}
{Not_Mafia, Noraa, Kasumeat, duppin, OutWorldER, UneducatedGuesser}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Blitzo}

pedit: Was just about to post this for content but ok

whats your read on Blitzo after your interaction?

[duppin]

I actually think that scum on average put more effort into making their posts logical and consistent than town do because they're actively crafting them to deceive whereas I find town tend to have more inconsistencies on average because they're just saying things they think as they occur to them.

Not to say that scum cant be inconsistent but given that scum have a specific narrative they're trying to create and town don't I tend to think that small little inconsistencies and lapses in logic are slight town tells to me.

But I'm gunna shut up about this because its just OOG theory and not particularly useful.

honestly if you believe this you will probably end up scumreading me this game

[duppin]

I'm actually leaning town on Blitzo. I agree with the sentiment his early play has been a odd but that's probably also why think it is more likely to come from town

[MURDERCAT]

whats your read on Blitzo after your interaction?

I'm happy with my vote there for now, but i feel like often times the weird day 1 player ends up being a miselim pushed by scum, so I am cognizant of that.

[MURDERCAT]

I'm actually leaning town on Blitzo. I agree with the sentiment his early play has been a odd but that's probably also why think it is more likely to come from town

I do feel like this is dangerous. Anyway I'm not convinced so going to continue to pressure. What would make me townread the slot is having some actual reads and doing some actual solving, versus the weird push on me that went nowhere

[UneducatedGuesser]

Dammit guys I thought the shitposting would last longer and I'd be safe to go out drinking last night after work, oh well.

First instincts, hungover pre-caffeinated version.

Blitzo feels kind of ok, honestly. I wouldn't call it a townread but I also don't feel especially bad about that slot. Sometimes people don't jive with the RVS and early game shenanigans and it feels like a reason to push them, other times it feels like an excuse to push them. This feels more the latter than the former.

murdercat did the pushing, actually has some heat generated on himself for it. It might not be penetrating the hangover but I just don't see all that good a reason for the pushback. I found his stance and vote on Blitzo the least problematic and the most likely to be done in good faith.

VOTE: OutWorldER along those lines, I just can't get on board with the reasoning there. I mean, he said Blitzo was troublesome to read so that's a wagon and ok, but acknowledging that you believe something is NAI and voting it anyway isn't for me. If it was I'd be voting for Pooky because she was drinking expensive Bourbon instead of expensive Scotch yesterday. I find that troublesome and weird but I wouldn't try and stick her on a launchpad for it.

TSQ seems alright in his contributions.

The fact that Noraa's one of the quiet ones is bothering me, since she's the only person here I've played a game with and I expected the thread to have 2-3 more pages on account of her by now. Might be nothing, might be something, but feels kind of worth comment even in the first 24 hours.

Still on the fence for anyone I haven't mentioned. D1s take me a bit to get going. I'll come back to this once the coffee and advil are working.

[Thestatusquo]

Dammit guys I thought the shitposting would last longer and I'd be safe to go out drinking last night after work, oh well.

I can think of at least one other reason why its not safe to go out drinking after work...

[UneducatedGuesser]

Well, "out" is an overstatement in that I didn't get drunk in my house, myself and one work friend who lives a few blocks from me sat on his back deck with a bottle of rum. Long month.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Scotch is mostly overrated

my ranking for whiskey right now is

Japan > Bourbon > Irish > Scotch

[UneducatedGuesser]

I mean, I'm from the homeland originally so I'm forced to disagree.

Most scotch that's decently easily obtainable in other countries is overrated, I've found in the past decade I've lived in the US, I'll give you that.

[UneducatedGuesser]

It's also disgustingly overpriced here far more often than not.

We can definitely find common ground on products from Japan, though.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

There's been some decrease in quality imo as it has gotten more popular - the production has not kept up with demand so more people have been cutting corners and putting out some shady NAI blends.

I do have a nice bottle of A'bunadh that I've been enjoying for the last few months now.

How strongly do you feel about Outworld? Is that a pressure vote or a vote to kill?

[Thestatusquo]

Scotch is mostly overrated

my ranking for whiskey right now is

Japan > Bourbon > Irish > Scotch

You left off rye which is the best one.

Also VOTE: pooky

Please talk about the game even a little bit.

[UneducatedGuesser]

24 hours into the game I feel strongly about Outworld relative to how I feel about everything else, which is not a damning indictment. It's the thing I feel is most worth voting on at this particular moment in time.

[Kasumeat]

111 is his explanation.

Ah I missed that. Still don't like it.

btw let's solve the game together Kasu. Are you good at finding bad guys?

My heart and my best intentions tell me that I am, but the facts and the evidence tell me I am not.

Are you? Because I still don't see you contributing anything.