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[the worst]

I don't get why you're so fixated on defending this like really specific part of your iso which is very minor when I've just spent literal hours explaining that your entire iso is indicative of a scum agenda. but like the way you're defending it is so semantic and doesn't......feel sincere either?

it's like you're scummy for 130 reasons and you're disagreeing with the weakest reason but because I spelled it wrong or something

[lilith2013]

Well, I did not say that "I disagree".
I did not say that "S_S is scum for that" either.
You are literally nitpicking my posts as a duo now, and you are focusing on something that is not there - a scum-agenda..

what does “but I believe scum benefited more from what went down, and sometimes judging the actions by the results is the right way to go” mean besides “SS might be scum”?

[the worst]

The only other option might be just lynching MWNN - I really dislike their "willingness to be lynched" here.
That would also reveal the "IC" within N_M if that's actually a thing, meaning that I'd have a simple target for my last shot and you'd probably find ME dead tomorrow..but at least you'd have an IC!
...who doesn't...do anything... -_-

Ducky amd IV, is this what you're referring to with respect to his hammer while still scumreading you? Because I at least saw this benefit from flipping MWNN.

did you read my epic walls of bleeding heart because you're asking me a lot of things I spoke about in there

IV I'm not sure has talked about this at all? I'll check

[lilith2013]

iv mentioned it like first thing in this phase

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Duck, just read a post that made me think it through again, D1 you had locked Una town if Sirius's slot was town. Why did that change? Was the locking him town just an overstatement?

I haven't gotten through your epic walls yet. I'm at like 5201.

[lilith2013]

I'm a bit sad to hear that this is what MWNN feels..
And if this is AtE, Ducky was once more jumping off the lynch..

VOTE: MWNN - is this the hammer?

??? “BuDucky-IV” is your only read this game and you decided to compromise here with days left to go??

[the worst]

I'm a bit sad to hear that this is what MWNN feels..
And if this is AtE, Ducky was once more jumping off the lynch..

VOTE: MWNN - is this the hammer?

??? “BuDucky-IV” is your only read this game and you decided to compromise here with days left to go??

ah yeah he did I forgot

[Billy Pilgrim]

If you think I'm scum over some pseudo lurker whose entire game has been 1) fakeclaiming rolestopper well, 2) deathtunnelling some shitty solve without stopping to reevaluate or attempting to stop any miselims (WHICH HE WOULD THINK ARE MISELIMS IF HE BELIEVED HIS SOLVE) you need to go back to the newbie queue or town of salem

Now this is just rude and blatant Ate..

Oh shit, this feels like him pocketing me.

[the worst]

@Duck, just read a post that made me think it through again, D1 you had locked Una town if Sirius's slot was town. Why did that change? Was the locking him town just an overstatement?

I haven't gotten through your epic walls yet. I'm at like 5201.

I like, very passionately cannot remember ever posting that. It took me like 3 days to have an actual lock read which I actually committed to in this game so it was probably a pretty throwaway comment

[UnaBombaH]

what does “but I believe scum benefited more from what went down, and sometimes judging the actions by the results is the right way to go” mean besides “SS might be scum”?

OH MY GOD.
It literally means that "sometimes it's the right way to go". SOMETIMES. Probably not here. Sometimes.
In other words, the thought process was good in my opinion. Just not applicable here.
Just vote me lilith if this is how you think scum!Una operates - you are clearly in Duckys corner already, and are just too scared to pull the trigger.
If you feel this ^^ confident about me being scum, you shouldn't delay the end any further.
We can discuss all of this very soon after the game has ended - just know that there was 0% scum-agenda there, and 0% shade intended towards S_S.

[lilith2013]

ss was the one who made that comment and I parroted it during D3/4

[lilith2013]

why not just say that then?

[lilith2013]

that's a very wild way of saying "I disagree but I like your thought process",

[lilith2013]

sorry but I’m still waiting for iv given that I think we’re heading into f3 after this

[Billy Pilgrim]

here you go

Damnit duck, I clicked that link. Ass.

[the worst]

you say that but I know you liked it

[UnaBombaH]

@una can you explain why you voted mwnn yesterday?

the response “it takes 4 to wagon” doesn’t count as a reason for voting

One of the problems I always have with players like BuDucky, Boon, TChill (haven't seen them in a hot minute though ) is that I keep second guessing myself.
It always starts with a gutread/paranoia about them, because I feel like my natural instinct is to like and trust what they have to say.
Same here - I initially had a lot of problems with BuDucky being so passive and fence-sitty (from my PoV at least).
I called him out on that, and I feel like he got a lot better with that. Too good I guess, with the amount of posts he accumulated.
That basically started the infinite internal back and forth I've had with them here.
It got external time and time again though.

At the end of D4 I felt very confident that the scumteam was Ducky/IV, and to be fair, I knew Ducky was not going to be the lynch then.
So I took the easier route, that still had a good chance of helping with the solve.
Lynching MWNN - no matter what he flips, was likely going to grant me an exit of the game.
I'd protect N_M, and since I was told earlier that speculating a scum!RB earlier made no sense, I trusted in my ability to save them.
Essentially forcing a MyLo instead of LyLo if MWNN flipped green, UNLESS THE SCUM KILL ME.
So that was my plan, and I really trusted that you would've kept pushing on scum!Ducky once my WIFOMy ass was out of the game.
I thought D4 almost certainly established to you and Billy that one of Una/Ducky is scum if MWNN flipped green.

[UnaBombaH]

And I happen to know that THIS is WIFOM

, and I have not said anything about this before but...scum!Una could've just no-killed last night, you know?
From that PoV, town would've still had to close the game out today, because "I'm all out of shots", and I'd have another "confirmed night action".
And we'd still be in MyLo, with a useless slot at the helm.
But because it's WIFOM, we are not going to talk about it, and just agree that Una is dumb and didn't play the optimal nightplay on this last night phase..

(queue all the quotes of Ducky saying that my nightplay and fakeclaim have been good)

[the worst]

I'm gonna assume I don't need to point out the flaw in that one

[UnaBombaH]

I know frustration is getting the best of me, but I'm honestly completely spent right now.
And I bet that's all that Ducky wanted to achieve with those walls.
Just read how many times he used the word "shit" to describe my play.
He basically called my whole iso shit with quick jabs in between, and lilith gobbled it up like cupcakes.
That's town making an honest "case" when he knows that I can't answer that with his 1,5mil. posts.

I'm off for today, just please end this game before the weekend so that I can say "I told you so" in the endgame.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm gonna assume I don't need to point out the flaw in that one

Well go ahead then.

[Billy Pilgrim]

All I can hope for is that Billy isn't swayed by any of this.
I'm afraid that lilith might be.
And to be honest, I wouldn't be losing to a bad player, it's just that I hate losing at all.

If either of you two vote for me, it's over immediately.
If one of you vote for Ducky, the game will not only continue, but it will force IV to either bus Ducky or become obv.scum for tomorrow.

I get fypov why duck is conf!scum to you. Why are you so sold on his partner?

[the worst]

it nothing else 5300 synopsising my walls (which you clearly aren't going to read) has more content in one post than your entire 3 phases of trying to posture a tw/iv team

[UnaBombaH]

I get fypov why duck is conf!scum to you. Why are you so sold on his partner?

I've said it multiple times.
You and lilith are my townpool. Have been for a while already, and I've also said that.
Once MWNN flipped green, the PoE was complete.
And that is what PoE means - people throw it around as a buzzword, but it literally means "process of elimination".
Once MWNN/N_M were eliminated from the potential scumpool, there's nothing else left but IV and Ducky.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I'd love to have a discussion as well but you aren't bringing anything to the table except NAA wifom................

you've made an effort to paint me as scum but you're unable to actually tell anyone where the read came from or what made you think I was aligned with the mafia and not just like.. bad at mafia or something? and you've also AGAIN continuously failed to act on your read including failing to crossvote me when I originally voted you this phase. your hammer on Mwnn when you were screaming that iv/me was the scumteam, was tantamount to scumclaiming. you haven't had any read progression for like 3 phases except for "duck scum. IV is hard buddying him so hey I guess IV can be scum too."

I'd love to scumcase your play here but you stopped playing mid D2/early d3 and started blatantly tunnelling me while trying to get town elims. :/

BTW, I looked back at eod yesterday, and he seemed a bit more waffley than youre suggesting here. And most of either D2 or D3 he didn't have you in the solve. It seemed like a quick pivot then he heged a bit. Honestly, the thing that jumped out at me when I went back through my iso was his like nonexistent progression on me. Twice. I started as town. Then inexplicably I went to one of his top two scumreads. Then later I was town on a "reread" and he expressly couldn't point to a moment where I town-told just that he didn't see an agenda from my posts.

If hes scum here, that's probably what I'm seeing more than any of this back and forth between the two of you.