Shelly would fume if we didn’t at least go back through her case on TW today. I’ll hop on that in a bit. Bluebell is right. We have one day. We need to form up some consensus.
Here’s why I don’t think I support policy elimination right now: a miselimination would put us in back-to-back eliminate-or-lose days on D3 and 4 right?
By my count, if we hit scum now it buys us one more miselimination before we are back in ELO. So I think the better question is ‘Who is the single scummiest player?’
I still don’t get why scum!bluebell would have unvoted me today.
I've re-read all of shelly, focusing on the TW case. I got very little there. I really do find most of her case on TW to be useless or unfounded. Despite my initial feelings that shelly had some interesting points, it's just really jammed full of fluff and bad arguments. I was hoping to find some smoking gun that I had missed before but really it's just a big nothingburger as far as I can tell. I don't follow any case for scum!TW from shelly.
I feel most comfortable losing Not Known or Egix today. Throughout the whole game they have been fairly inscrutable.
Early game Egix seemed kind of scummy to me, but less so as the game advances. He's explained this as a playstyle thing. Maybe. It might be increased engagement for performance's sake. Note: I am talking about substantial interaction with the game, not increased posting rate--there are .038 Egix posts per game post (22/570) before the point when shelly called him out for blending in and .047 Egix posts per game post after that point (38/806). About the same. All of that to say, I expected to see a large jump in posting rate from a scum!egix around that time but I did not. The quality of posts have improved in that time.
I've already talked about NK recently. I realize it's not some slam dunk case. It's a gut thing. I just don't see him leading the town to victory. I see him taking potshots.
VOTE: Not Known
I'd also be willing to closely look at a case on Mundivore. I feel like I have had them in my town pool from the very beginning of the game and that momentum may be helping them slide through.
In post 806, Satisfaction wrote:I expected to see a large jump in posting rate from a scum!egix around that time but I did not. The quality of posts have improved in that time.
i agree with this generally - egix hasn't gotten more performative, but he has gotten more solvey.
Also I realize I said that I want to form consensus and then voted somebody who has zero votes on them. I'm willing to flex if people don't want NK today. We need an elim. I will be around tomorrow.
In post 217, the worst wrote:i have townread not known 15 once (1 time) in my entire career, and i got paranoid and miseliminated him in xylo
he's got a really unique playstyle, it's hard to get his alignment right and a lot of things which are quite natural for him at a personality level are "common scum tells".
changed my mind over the last 3/4 of the game
his like, entire playstyle and the way he pushes things are scummy in a surface way
his sati scumread felt sincere d1 but he legit didn't react to the turn against sati (like the plist swung against his #1 scumread) except for posturing me as a potential partner (?) and his scumread on me appears to be because i failed to use adequate deodorant. which is absolutely false, i smell lovely.
his reads aren't changing or developing and since throwing down the original sati scumread i haven't really felt like he's reacting to the things people are doing in a way that indicates he believes his reads, if that makes sense?
In post 806, Satisfaction wrote:
I'd also be willing to closely look at a case on Mundivore. I feel like I have had them in my town pool from the very beginning of the game and that momentum may be helping them slide through.
NK15 is only confirmable town if we get a scum roleblocker flip, otherwise he's essentially a vt claim. he's also claiming to have been blocked last night.
obviously if there are any ccs just lolhammer.
I have vertigo so don't really feel like doing any critical thinking. I'll be around a bunch before deadline.
You just keep doing that. How is that supposed to convince us. It’s the same way you been trying to get me eliminated. What’s your case? Help us help you.
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There’s a 66% chance there is a tracker or a friendly neighbor in the game. Like TW said, if you are either of those, just kill him. You’ve caught scum.
Beyond that, he’s neither confirmable nor protectable tonight. If he’s the real tracker he will likely be murdered. So we leave votes on him for now in case we have a counterclaim but we decide on a different elimination target, right? If we are able to coordinate before deadline.
In post 806, Satisfaction wrote:
I'd also be willing to closely look at a case on Mundivore. I feel like I have had them in my town pool from the very beginning of the game and that momentum may be helping them slide through.
In post 818, the worst wrote:NK15 is only confirmable town if we get a scum roleblocker flip, otherwise he's essentially a vt claim. he's also claiming to have been blocked last night.
obviously if there are any ccs just lolhammer.
I have vertigo so don't really feel like doing any critical thinking. I'll be around a bunch before deadline.
I just remembered something else from my dive into shelly last night. Shelly flip flopped around on her feelings about TW. She was considering other people and potential pairs. At the time I saw it as her just listing names and it didn’t seem sincere to me. In hindsight, she was actually hunting in her own way.
On the flip side, though, TW was more locked on and confident that shelly was scum. Also we never really got a volunteered “here’s what happened yesterday from my perspective” from TW. It seems to me that would be a town move for somebody so invested in that fight.
I know I was super discouraged and considering subbing out at dawn today because I felt so dumb. Buuuuut we all kind of glossed over that TW was wrong too.
I want to townread TW and I have for most of the game. He’s helpful. Willing to jump on wagons and make things happen. Seems to give a sincere effort to share opinions.
@TW do you feel like you addressed this somewhere and I’m being unfair? (Mobile right now, working from memory). If not, why? I wouldn’t expect you to be as distraught about it as I was, but still we look a little silly.
