Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

[MURDERCAT]

(FWIW Noraa I enjoy playing with you, it is just difficult because I feel like we come at the game from very different perspectives.)

[Noraa]

Im sorry but I've heard too many negative things about my playstyle that I just dont know what to think at times. This'll sound like full on AtE but I will willingly eat the lim bc I dont want to ruin games for others.

[Noraa]

I seriously will eat it up. I have zero objections and I'm fine if we skip intent since there's not much a point anyways.

[MURDERCAT]

Pooky/NM/Bulge scum team?

I don't expect anyone to take this seriously, but it is important that I put this here in case I'm right so that I can link it in postgame

[MURDERCAT]

Im sorry but I've heard too many negative things about my playstyle that I just dont know what to think at times. This'll sound like full on AtE but I will willingly eat the lim bc I dont want to ruin games for others.

I don't think you should read too much into it, it's important to remember that there's always n scum in the game trying to make you look bad.

[Noraa]

Someone replaced out because of me and I was scum that round and I felt like shit for it.

[Thestatusquo]

Honestly speaking, if my presence is just making people mad for some reason you might as well just lim me off. My role isnt useful to town anyways but no I'm not scum. Im fine with flipping to give town more to work with and less to be annoyed at. Im sorry if my plays bothered people lots. I'll eat the lim if that's what town wants. Last time something like this came up, someone replaced out bc of me and I felt terrible so I'd much rather I eat the lim then end up feeling bad for making people have a terrible time.

Shea if you really think this is scum still..

I've literally seen the exact same speech from scum before...

She literally did similar things in her other scum games

I never knew that scum would go to such lengths to get a mislim on me. Ig I should be proud I was the reason for one less nk but anyways, todays lim is Noraa. What I say doesn't matter til I die so lim me today that way town can finally get Gimli tomorrow. Unless Taylor impulsively changed her target last night, the scum seriously wasted a nk to get a mislim on me. The only person that I think would do that is gimli, so town lim me today and then gimli tomorrow and we are guaranteed a town win.

im not fighting. I accept being limmed. It's alright.

Now I'm even more dubious of your claim of having meta'd her.

Also on an OOG note: I am very much enjoying this game and also everyone in it who is actually playing the game. This very much includes Noraa. N_M and panzer I am not enjoying playing with because I think the way they are playing could only charitably be referred to as that.

[Noraa]

Anyways I'll just wait to see if town wants me to eat the kill. Im down if that's the decision. I'll try to solve more if town chooses not to but I think town should do whatever they think will benefit themselves the most.

[Blitzo]

Yeah idk.

Where are you at right now Blitzo?

Physically or mentally?

I guess both now

Physically I'm here.
Mentally I'm running out of ideas.

[Noraa]

The game you mentioned Shea is very much a different situation from here. very different.

[Noraa]

My play makes people upset is what I've heard and I dont want to feel bad about it so I'm willingly eating a lim. On this day was a very different situation. I was "dying to help town narrow down the setup" or so scum!me said

[Thestatusquo]

The only reason I'm mentioning it at all is because MC was trying to imply that scum noraa wouldn't do the whole "I give up I'm the lim for today I've accepted it." thing and I'm saying that is very much in your scum range, because you've literally done it before as scum

[duppin]

Honestly speaking, if my presence is just making people mad for some reason you might as well just lim me off. My role isnt useful to town anyways but no I'm not scum. Im fine with flipping to give town more to work with and less to be annoyed at. Im sorry if my plays bothered people lots. I'll eat the lim if that's what town wants. Last time something like this came up, someone replaced out bc of me and I felt terrible so I'd much rather I eat the lim then end up feeling bad for making people have a terrible time.

if you are town then i dont think this is a good post to make

but i have to say i actually think the "my role isnt useful to town anyways" is a really sketchy thing to say

[Noraa]

No this is completely different but u can choose to think like that if u want to.

[Thestatusquo]

I recognize that the situation is different, but the move is the same.

[duppin]

i think noraas thoughts regarding the reads on her earlier were pretty town (the thing about her thinking town would be more likely to notice and call out a difference in her play and bulge being more suspicious and so on), but once again my issue is that it feels like youre not really pushing in any direction. i can perhaps understand that if you are town and you feel like everone is pushing could make it difficult for you to push something, but the thing is you did the same before you were being pushed on

[duppin]

for what it is worth i like playing with in fact i think there is only one guy who said he disliked your playstyle so forget about that, but if you are town then i really need you to drop the defeatist attitude and i need you to try to well i suppose gamesolve.

i dont really feel like you are trying to solve anyone

[Thestatusquo]

i think noraas thoughts regarding the reads on her earlier were pretty town (the thing about her thinking town would be more likely to notice and call out a difference in her play and bulge being more suspicious and so on), but once again my issue is that it feels like youre not really pushing in any direction. i can perhaps understand that if you are town and you feel like everone is pushing could make it difficult for you to push something, but the thing is you did the same before you were being pushed on

This is the very core of my scum read. I do not think noraa has approached today from the mindset of trying to find scum. I don't think she's pressured people trying to find scum. I don't think she's voted trying to vote scum. I don't think she's done much at all to indicate that she even cares what anyone elses alignment is.

[duppin]

i think noraas thoughts regarding the reads on her earlier were pretty town (the thing about her thinking town would be more likely to notice and call out a difference in her play and bulge being more suspicious and so on), but once again my issue is that it feels like youre not really pushing in any direction. i can perhaps understand that if you are town and you feel like everone is pushing could make it difficult for you to push something, but the thing is you did the same before you were being pushed on

This is the very core of my scum read. I do not think noraa has approached today from the mindset of trying to find scum. I don't think she's pressured people trying to find scum. I don't think she's voted trying to vote scum. I don't think she's done much at all to indicate that she even cares what anyone elses alignment is.

i agree and to avoid confusion; i believe noraa is most likely scum.
however I am willing to revaluate but I need you to actually do something then noraa. Telling people they can just lim you and etc is a poor play as town because you make it easy for people to justify voting on you which means that if you are town and we mislim you then the info gained from your lim will be less valuable

[duppin]

Honestly speaking, if my presence is just making people mad for some reason you might as well just lim me off. My role isnt useful to town anyways but no I'm not scum. Im fine with flipping to give town more to work with and less to be annoyed at. Im sorry if my plays bothered people lots. I'll eat the lim if that's what town wants. Last time something like this came up, someone replaced out bc of me and I felt terrible so I'd much rather I eat the lim then end up feeling bad for making people have a terrible time.

Shea if you really think this is scum still..

I really dislike this post. You have expressed reasons to SR noraa, said you thought it was a townled wagon and shown willingness to vote on her, yet this post convinced you that she is town?

[MURDERCAT]

I've literally seen the exact same speech from scum before...

She literally did similar things in her other scum games

I did look after I posted that and noticed similar things, but I don't know my gut says town still. But I won't argue anything with that post

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly speaking, if my presence is just making people mad for some reason you might as well just lim me off. My role isnt useful to town anyways but no I'm not scum. Im fine with flipping to give town more to work with and less to be annoyed at. Im sorry if my plays bothered people lots. I'll eat the lim if that's what town wants. Last time something like this came up, someone replaced out bc of me and I felt terrible so I'd much rather I eat the lim then end up feeling bad for making people have a terrible time.

I’m not maddened by your genera presence, I’m maddened by you pushing bad-faith or incorrect reasons to scumread me/call me untrustworthy. And I am the only one who has expressed real anger towards Noraa, so this seems a little sketchy with Noraa’s pushback on me.

[Thestatusquo]

I mean panzer has made disparaging comments but also panzer is being an asshole.

[Gamma Emerald]

This last interaction between Noraa and MCat raised their combined scum equity a fair amount.

[MURDERCAT]

I really dislike this post. You have expressed reasons to SR noraa, said you thought it was a townled wagon and shown willingness to vote on her, yet this post convinced you that she is town?

I don't think that is quite fair, I have been reluctant about Noraa recently and would basically vote there if it was a her or me situation. I do think town is voting her and it's not like I have a result on her or anything so yeah if it comes to that I'll do it. But my gut says town and I think these recent posts sound like a lot of townies who get miselimed. I do think there is a bit a tone shift compared to the other games linked, but I think maybe I'm just conf biased about that.