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[MiniMegabyte]

Yeah, see, scum conceded. It’s TS and BM.

Can I ask how you came to this conclusion

[Flavor Leaf]

MiniMegabyte, Battle Mage, Gamma Emerald - One of these are probably scum

With

Dongen, Taylor, Bob, arachnid - one of these.

Ydress and Osuka can be added to the first squad, I guess, but Osuka spot is probably the least likely to come from scum. More likely that wagon started by town then scum pushed it down the line until it went through.

Which means 2 or 3 scum on wagon. 3 scum on a wagon is an extremely bold scum play, and I really don’t see that happening in this, and I didn’t see any major puppet mastering going around, so I think 1 scum stayed off the wagon purposefully, and that looks like Taylor who had an easily made Battle Mage push going. I’d rather vote Taylor than Battle Mage here probably.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Dang beat me to it

VOTE: Taylor Swift

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, see, scum conceded. It’s TS and BM.

Can I ask how you came to this conclusion

Wagonomics mixed with analysis based on the Day 1 interactions with Shellyc.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Taylor

[MiniMegabyte]

Yeah, see, scum conceded. It’s TS and BM.

Can I ask how you came to this conclusion

Wagonomics mixed with analysis based on the Day 1 interactions with Shellyc.

Can you quote some examples of where this has happened

[MiniMegabyte]

The interactions I mean of where you have got this conclusion from

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, see, scum conceded. It’s TS and BM.

Can I ask how you came to this conclusion

Wagonomics mixed with analysis based on the Day 1 interactions with Shellyc.

Can you quote some examples of where this has happened

Like what? It’s literally just the entire of the thing. Going back and looking at Golden’s posts and the interactions with Shelly and then who followed and actually did stuff. It’s just the overall, not any one thing in particular.

[Flavor Leaf]

Which conclusion?

I just took the list of people who were on the Shelly wagon because there’s like guaranteed one scum in them. There’s a chance there’s 2, but bets on 1.

So i looked at who interacted with Shelly, and why each of them went on the wagon. Gamma and Shelly had an argument that lead to Gamma’s vote on, while Taylor actively stayed off, and then shaded someone who just hammered Shelly, which is likely why Taylor got Maf Doc’d.

[Flavor Leaf]

I believe my entry to this game I explain my entire thought process.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ydrasse and Shelly were arguing left and right yesterday while Golden hopped on, followed by Mini, BM, and Gamma. I believe that there is scum in those last 3, and Ydrasse vs Shelly is TvT, and Ydrasse getting The hammer was a town hammer.

However, someone made a decent point of Ydrasse-Taylor interaction, but I wanna think over if I think they could be S/S more.

[Flavor Leaf]

at the momet i feel shelly can go in the town pile

The stale wagons most likely mean that scum really have not been throwing their votes around. If scum had been pushing to form wagons we would have got wagons as they can form even from all town votes. So by vote count 1.2 i would say shelly is town as she has failed to make any headway on forming a true wagon. Could also indicate that dong is town too as otherwise scum would have likely gravitated towards it. If it was town + scum, it would have probably got picked up a third vote.


No at that point could the shelly wagon be the same. With the wagon situation no way are both osuka and pooky scum. So at least one town in that bunch. Now this wagon has since picked up another vote from 2 more votes. Which most likely makes this scum motivated wagon.

Osuka, pooky, golden, mini

Now. Is it composed of one or two scum. On that point i think it's too early to say.

@bob according to your wagonomics what do you think ydrasses alignment is? I see no comment about ydrasse there

I’m thinking if this is a warlock or something with the hostility towards me hmmmmm

I think im 5dchessing myself here but spitballing my thoughts, the effort from bob with analysis is probably town!AI

nothing can realy be determined alignment based on current gamstate. could go either way. Scum not pushing scum or scum choosing to push another town wagon are equally likely

Interesting. These sound like me.

I’ll count it as a town Mind meld

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Bob is scum.

VOTE: Bob

nah I changed my mind. UNVOTE:

also, did you win mini normal 2148?

I think it's Mini.

VOTE: Mini

This is actually interesting because it happens right after Bob was town leaning Shelly, who Golden had been pushing.

This immediately makes Bob’s posts weakened because the general public saw scummy Bob comments right after, but BM changes votes right after. And in the end, they end up right back on Shelly. That looks like damage control and gamestate manipulation.

I hope I’m not super tunneling, I really am just thinking out loud.

[Flavor Leaf]

Looking back, page 12 ish, that looks like MiniMega is town pushing Shelly based on the way that the momentum came after. Scum took advantage of the building wagon, the talks a lot Shelly, and the townie pushing the townie who’s getting scum read for talking a lot.

[Flavor Leaf]

osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

This makes me feel Battle Mage is more likely to be scum based on where Golden positioned them here.

This is part of the post they voted Shelly in, so they used that to try and create a gamestate idea. Osuka being genuine was important for them to say based on them being on the wagon, so they wanted the idea of trust out there which bleeds Osuka town.

Pooky is someone who can shut people down, and it was also good to get him on their side plus they need to hide their shallow comment of BM.

[Flavor Leaf]

Shelly is pinging me quite hard atm, and it's not particularly because of the push on ydrasse but more the mild hostility that she seems to be expressing as well as 227 which i saw as a weird distancing from her previous reads to instead just trust what bob says. her entire interactions with pooky and ydrasse feel off, so let's go with a VOTE: shellyc. osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

yes its very strange and not like shelly at all - that said, i know shelly is trying to be less agressive and overconfident, so ill give her a pass somewhat because it could be her trying to figure out how to chill out and re-evaluate.

Shelly is pinging me quite hard atm, and it's not particularly because of the push on ydrasse but more the mild hostility that she seems to be expressing as well as 227 which i saw as a

weird distancing from her previous reads to instead just trust what bob says

. her entire interactions with pooky and ydrasse feel off, so let's go with a VOTE: shellyc. osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

explain the bold. As i dont see her distancing from her own reads. At most shelly is saying that she trust me when i say that the start of day one is best used to town hunt.

Notice the difference between Taylor and Bob. Both are players who didn’t end up on the Shelly wagon. Bob questions Golden. Taylor picks a side.

Golden then responds to only Bob’s post.

[JohnnyFarrar]

osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

This makes me feel Battle Mage is more likely to be scum based on where Golden positioned them here.

This is part of the post they voted Shelly in, so they used that to try and create a gamestate idea. Osuka being genuine was important for them to say based on them being on the wagon, so they wanted the idea of trust out there which bleeds Osuka town.

Pooky is someone who can shut people down, and it was also good to get him on their side plus they need to hide their shallow comment of BM.

Why BM over spooks for the partner there?

[Flavor Leaf]

By the way, im scum! After a year in rehab, MS moderators finally found it fit to give me scum. I hope i'll have a wondrous experience deceiving all of you, even the ones i like!

I'm always good to quick-elim a Day 1 scumclaim.

VOTE: dongempire

just to flag, my activity may be a bit lower in this game, as i now have a few running concurrently and a busy couple weeks ahead.

let's aim to avoid 100 pages for Day 1 to help a brother out.

^^this, please.

VOTE: dong outright scumclaiming? even scummier than BM townclaiming!

VOTE: dong

up he goes.

was that a hammer? wtf is with people today.

in case it wasnt,

VOTE: BM

im so tempted to join the troll army at this point

I believe this put Dongen to F-1. Golden put the F-2 vote, which is decently anti partnery as that is a momentum swinging vote. Bob voting right after Golden there also gives some town points.

Battle Mage tried making it happen earlier on this page, and Pooky actively slows things down, so Pooky likely town.

Taylor actively picks a different path yet again.

[Flavor Leaf]

osuka seems quite genuine here, as does BM, and i have a townlean on pooky for that RQS; null on everyone else atm.

This makes me feel Battle Mage is more likely to be scum based on where Golden positioned them here.

This is part of the post they voted Shelly in, so they used that to try and create a gamestate idea. Osuka being genuine was important for them to say based on them being on the wagon, so they wanted the idea of trust out there which bleeds Osuka town.

Pooky is someone who can shut people down, and it was also good to get him on their side plus they need to hide their shallow comment of BM.

Why BM over spooks for the partner there?

I just feel Pooky is just hanging around, not really knowing anything more than he should, if that makes sense. I could be wrong, but I feel like Golden was the first scum on the wagon, especially considering Golden added to your wagon earlier.

Pooky actively didnt join in to your slot’s wagon.

[Battle Mage]

is this just 4 pages of Flavour Leaf spamming "BM is scum" with no reason, and hedging everything else on that bad read?

Yeah I'll pass.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: BM
way too excited about this PL. perhaps scum seeking to pocket everyone?

haha yes exactly! well except the bit about me being scum. I'd love to pocket everyone!

Also on a serious note - Pooky, you town here?

I'm town homie. you sure you don't want to claim tracker

Ah, this might be why Battle Mage made sure to bring up targets, so he could explain if he was going to be seen later. He might have thought this was a track crumb.

[Mizzytastic]

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[Mizzytastic]

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