Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Alonzo]

I like the Iaaun wagon and am equally terrified of it at the same time.

[Professor Mafia]

If it's not clear; I am a VT.

@alonzo: Alas my students fear me. Maybe it's my formal tone. Can you elaborate?

[Alonzo]

Could you explain deeper the logic in your opening catch up when you get a sec, you gave a bunch of surface level stuff, I want to see your working out

[Alonzo]

Re 2512

[Noraa]

Okay... I've read some of this. I see I'm being asked to claim? I'm just a VT.

I think Iconeum and Menalque are both solid town and I believe the hood claim. I also believe Bob's follower claim.

I'm scumreading username. ISO is pretty blank and they have no intent of advancing the game with no solving mindset, and the inaction is heavily scum!AI I think (not sure how site meta is now though)

Alonzo's gut-town to me, I think Noraa's play is quite anti-town and the way they try and shade people without logical trajectories is scummy. Datisi is a scumlean from PoE at this point.

VOTE: Username

Very weak SRs and scum leans me. There is no follow up. I would expect a "ok so if user flips green, Noraa is our lim tmrw" if you truly believe I'm scum. I've been very scummy this game and I think the only people that would be absolutely convinced I'm town is scum.

i'm inclined to agree with iamauser in this case, and I think they captured it really well. While noraa is giving off a lot of traditionally scummy vibes, I'm also inclined to believe that most of that is based on her relative newness as opposed to her actually being scum. i'm really not that far out of my newbie phase myself (and i've regressed since my hiatus started) and i definitely understand how newbies can easily say things that are misinterpreted as scumtells. Noraa seems to me like pretty LHF, and ico's attacks on her feel like they're ignoring the other, more likely reason behind her oozing scumtells: her being a newbie, as opposed to her being scum.

This especially stood out to me. Being a newbie does have many similarities to being scum, yet here Noraa seems not to be really solving and instead spitballing strange theories when they're under pressure. They're trying to play it up being confused yet they have a few completed games here. They actively tried to discredit BM and didn't make any other reads after that; they were null on the ENTIRE PLAYER LIST.

Keep in mind I carried all those games at the same time. I have 3 finished games. 2 of which I replaced in halfway thru and only one completely completely finished. I actively tried to discredit BM? Lel if anything it was the opposite at first. So what if I'm null? This is cherry picked very interestingly.

sounds like stalling so that u can consult with ur scum buddies before u come in and claim vt like ur other scum buddy did.

For example, Noraa here starts shading Iconeum for consulting with Menalque in the hood (which is not AI) and says they're "stalling"? Taking some time to strategise the most protown claim is townie and here Noraa tries shading Ico.

Woah its not like I'm allowed to express my concern and come up with theories that I want to when I want to. I only try to explain things so they make sense to me. It doesn't matter to me whether it makes sense to you since I'm not that convinced any of my theories are true anyways.

Just me or does not teacher read scummier since the player switch?

Not just u. If teacher slot was scum. Poor teacher. His replacement is doing his hard work dirty considering I was starting to TR this slot hard until this replacement rolled in :/

[TheGoldenParadox]

VOTE: teacher
VOTE: teacher
VOTE: teacher

[TheGoldenParadox]

oh oops i guess i should replace that with VOTE: professor mafia shouldn't i

[TheGoldenParadox]

Alonzo VT
TheGoldenParadox VT
Iconeum neighbor
iamausername VT
Datisi VT
professor VT
bob3141 follower
Noraa VT
Menalque neighbor

bob, ico, and mena are confirmed town. every scum has claimed VT.

[bob3141]

Alonzo VT
TheGoldenParadox VT
Iconeum neighbor
iamausername VT
Datisi VT
professor VT
bob3141 follower
Noraa VT
Menalque neighbor

bob, ico, and mena are confirmed town. every scum has claimed VT.

Yep i just cant see if there was scum in one of menal/ico that they would of both claimed in the way they did. Fells like the neighbour is their to counter act some of the docs gating. Actualy fells like we are light on town power though. Guess im must be use to the norm of nini normals being heavily town sided when it comes to town power

[Noraa]

^exactly my point
there are fake vts

[Noraa]

Im having trouble deciding which ones are fake tho since there's like 6 vt claims or something :/

[Menalque]

There are 6 vt claims, we might get a guilty in the VTs from bob and we have one more misflip before gylo in a pool of 6 names

That means we only need one solid town player in that group, maybe we need a second one

[Menalque]

So what we really need to do (that is to say, me, icon, and bob) is decide who are the two most likely slots to be town who we’re betting the gsme on

[Menalque]

At this point I would lean towards the solve being 3/4 of (prof, dats, iaaun, alonzo) leaving TGP and noraa as our clears

[Noraa]

How is golden clear?

[TheGoldenParadox]

unless scum has serious negative utility or a town pr isn't claiming, bob ico and mena are mechanically clear. correct me if i'm wrong, but the former seems very not in line with site meta right now, and the latter means that said town pr, unless they're playing an incredibly good gambit, is fucking over the town.

i'm leaning towards the scumteam being fairly new or inexperienced because an entire scumteam claiming vt seems like quite a poor move on their part. @menal, are you truly not able to see noraa as scum here?

anyways, limming prof seems like the move here.

[Noraa]

I think golden or teacher is our lim today cuz those two r prolly two of the scum team

[bob3141]

unless scum has serious negative utility or a town pr isn't claiming, bob ico and mena are mechanically clear. correct me if i'm wrong, but the former seems very not in line with site meta right now, and the latter means that said town pr, unless they're playing an incredibly good gambit, is fucking over the town.

i'm leaning towards the scumteam being fairly new or inexperienced because an entire scumteam claiming vt seems like quite a poor move on their part. @menal, are you truly not able to see noraa as scum here?

anyways, limming prof seems like the move here.

As it stands we are actualy short of the normal town power.

asectic indecisive doc neighbour
neighbour
follower
mailman/miller

Which is realy only 3 pr. the second neighbour just balances out the ascetic and the indecisive

so

1
0.5
0.5+0.5
which is actualy short of the usual 3.5 guestimation with scum havign 0.5-0.75 vs 3.5

if this all of our power then it has to be an all goon team. As otherwise we would need an extra pr if scum had any sort of pr

[Noraa]

Wait so teacher was expected to claim a pr to balance things out but then he didn't right?

[Noraa]

Im starting to definitely consider a possibility that all the scum team claimed vt :/

[bob3141]

menal

i def think gtp is town

Leaning towards alonzo being town. as after rereading his iso day i got rather towny vib. Missed during n1 the parts of his reply to my question that had ended up inside of the quote. That he quoted in reply, at the time just saw the last line. Only after reading his iso at the start of the day 2 did i see them. When i noticed the quote didnt match the post he quoted.


below that is nora. who gives me a scum vibes yet at the same time i stuggle to see the scum motivation. Just feels like missguided town.

[Noraa]

Who is misguiding me or am I just wandering around for no apparent reason?

Alonzo is town. I'm fairly certain of it.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: menalque

[Noraa]

VOTE: menalque

y?

[Alonzo]

You need to reread #2029