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[tris]

i wish i had a better understanding of game balance.

[tris]

Even assuming all the claims are Town, Town still felt underpowered until Testarossa IC’d.

Triss and Ico together has me raising an eyebrow because their roles do similar things in slightly different ways and idk why Town would have both.

i modded a pre-made normal game once that had three different protective roles

[tris]

the thing is, i still just see iconeum as town

[Gamma Emerald]

In that case though, all the personal watcher can do is see town PRs. That doesn’t seem like a good role.

[tris]

In that case though, all the personal watcher can do is see town PRs. That doesn’t seem like a good role.

i don't understand. are you saying there's no scum prs for some reason?

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s a good point, but what do you think scum would have with such an underpowered town?

[tris]

but, what was meant by "in that case though"? it's not like iconeum being mafia makes the watcher more useful

[Gamma Emerald]

I was thinking if Mafia have no PRs the personal watcher wouldn’t be able to anything scum did, only town

[Testarossa]

I STILL think Ico's claim is too minute to be a legitimate attempt to fakeclaim a PR as scum. 1 shot JK is super pitiful, scum would go for the full deal, or at least something like odd night to fit datisi's flip
but there's ALSO the fact SC flipped personal, and Ico is like the only remaining visiting role left. Maybe ico is like, gated Rb of some sort?

I think I just made myself very LESS certain of Ico's town status.

Could be, although I feel it's difficult to deduce what the scum power is here.

Actually I think a full Jailkeeper would have stuck out way too much, so it had to be gated in some way. As you I was actually suspecting scum would claim something with Odd-Night too, but I guess that was too predictable anyway.

I hope Ico is soon around after the weekend or later at Sunday, because now that I think about it I actually have a specific question about his claim.

[Testarossa]

Two Goons in this setup looks too rough to me, even for this site if I go by the impression I got so far.

All Goons could make sense with three scum, but I don't know. In the end they can lie about their claims as they like anyway, so we probably shouldn't let us caught up too much by that.

[Testarossa]

I mean if we think both Ico and tris are town, then this would mean one of the two VTs has to be the other scum besides the Neighbour.

Gamma made this weird push on Ico on D1 together with Alch and townread Alch on each day. Considering both were viable flips throughout the game I kind of wouldn't expect them to play that obviously together and at least hold a window open for a bus. Don't remember what Alch's read on Gamma was, have to reread the game anyway, however I don't think he was for a Gamma exe. Gamma and NM is also weird, because Gamma is now like for 1,5 days out for that slot's head, which would make a team of Gamma/NM pretty passive.

Admittedly wagon analysis looks not so bright for Gamma, because the peak wagon on him on D1 was almost/potentially all town, same for D2. Wagon analysis with two scum is tricky though.

Don't know yet about Egix. Works with NM I guess. Less with Alch, mostly because both were pushing for mis-exe on both days wthout any real reconsiderations. Need to reread him with his interactions with these slots I guess.

[Iconeum]

I STILL think Ico's claim is too minute to be a legitimate attempt to fakeclaim a PR as scum. 1 shot JK is super pitiful, scum would go for the full deal, or at least something like odd night to fit datisi's flip
but there's ALSO the fact SC flipped personal, and Ico is like the only remaining visiting role left. Maybe ico is like, gated Rb of some sort?

I think I just made myself very LESS certain of Ico's town status.

Could be, although I feel it's difficult to deduce what the scum power is here.

Actually I think a full Jailkeeper would have stuck out way too much, so it had to be gated in some way. As you I was actually suspecting scum would claim something with Odd-Night too, but I guess that was too predictable anyway.

I hope Ico is soon around after the weekend or later at Sunday, because now that I think about it I actually have a specific question about his claim.

Hmmm?

[UnaBombaH]

Will be working on this tomorrow..

[Alchemist21]

Even assuming all the claims are Town, Town still felt underpowered until Testarossa IC’d.

Triss and Ico together has me raising an eyebrow because their roles do similar things in slightly different ways and idk why Town would have both.

i modded a pre-made normal game once that had three different protective roles

And what were the other roles in that game? I’ve played a Normal this size with 2 vigs, but it also had 2 Doctors. I’m saying that in this setup specifically it’s an oddity that stands out.

[Testarossa]

It is now day 3, which ends in (expired on 2020-10-13 04:41:56).

We don't have that much time anymore btw.

[Testarossa]

Hmmm?

It is related to your jk shot though. But I don't think part of the question doesn't hurt, because it is kind of obvious you weren't using your shot there.

Can you explain what your read was on Nero at the end of D2 after Cakez flip? I am pretty sure you didn't use your shot in N1, because neither were there any outstanding suspicions going by your D2 entrance nor was it easy to predict the N1 kill (at least I couldn't). However I think if you weren't scumreading Nero, anyone should have seen the Nero kill coming by a mile. Now you voted him in the beginning of D2, but seemed rather clueless. Later you at least voted Nero's suspects (counting symbolic NM vote in twilight). So I don't really know where you had your mind in this matter. Why were you using your jk shot anywhere else or not that night?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Vote Count 3.02

Betty, Puppy Bowl XVI
It is now day 3, which ends in (expired on 2020-10-13 04:41:56).
With 8 alive it takes 5 to eliminate

Votecount:
Not Voting(8): Egix96, Gamma Emerald, Alchemist21, UnaBombaH, Iconeum, Testarossa, tris, Not_Mafia

[UnaBombaH]

However I think if you weren't scumreading Nero, anyone should have seen the Nero kill coming by a mile. Now you voted him in the beginning of D2, but seemed rather clueless. Later you at least voted Nero's suspects (counting symbolic NM vote in twilight). So I don't really know where you had your mind in this matter. Why were you using your jk shot anywhere else or not that night?

Once again, on the nose.
I was thinking something like 1-2 shot Roleblocker being a reasonable role for scum, and 1-2 shot Jailkeeper being a reasonable fakeclaim.

My only "gripe" here is that we do not have any other forms of protection claimed, meaning that we are likely(?) either in a 2-scum game with Ico being a scum!Roleblocker, or scum should have some good cover for power.

[tris]

can we do alchemist?

[tris]

i think maybe both egix and alchemist are mafia

[tris]

their interactions and mentions of each other are pretty bleh

[Egix96]

can we do alchemist?

Why should I vote Alch over NM? (Don't just say "cos he's your buddy")

[tris]

mizzy was town is why

[Iconeum]

Hmmm?

It is related to your jk shot though. But I don't think part of the question doesn't hurt, because it is kind of obvious you weren't using your shot there.

Can you explain what your read was on Nero at the end of D2 after Cakez flip? I am pretty sure you didn't use your shot in N1, because neither were there any outstanding suspicions going by your D2 entrance nor was it easy to predict the N1 kill (at least I couldn't). However I think if you weren't scumreading Nero, anyone should have seen the Nero kill coming by a mile. Now you voted him in the beginning of D2, but seemed rather clueless. Later you at least voted Nero's suspects (counting symbolic NM vote in twilight). So I don't really know where you had your mind in this matter. Why were you using your jk shot anywhere else or not that night?

I did not see thé Nero kill coming obviously

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Alch