Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Tanner]

i feel like i minced that sentence pretty strongly but whatever

if anyone other than prism would give me their opinion on it I'd be grateful

pedit: about 3697

[Prism]

it's an emotional rollercoaster, but that's just tuesday.

same

[Chara]

i'm looking over the "case" i brought up yesterday about why i thought puppy/suji wasn't s/s yesterday, and i'm still not convinced those two still point at non-s/s today. but i don't know anymore if it's confbias speaking.

chara, anything specific you wanted from me?

thoughts on Pooky would be great, if you have them. i know most of the content here is just me and Prism so i don't blame you on staying out of it if you don't have anything to say.

i don't personally think it's impossible for Puppy and Suji to be SS, i have a feeling Puppy's interactions with his buddy this game would have continued to be good and/or risky.

[Tanner]

thoughts on Pooky would be great, if you have them.

my thoughts about pooky are ultimately what i said, I've seen him quite successfullly push misexecutes as scum, so i don't think we end up with elements flipped day one, and his case on ele is ultimately what made me okay voting there. i just don't think he's scum i guess? like it doesn't feel like it ~makes sense~.

though i wish i had more faith in my reads to actually force them, at least to some extent. i feel like a glorified spectator.

[Prism]

I'll give space for others here-especially for Chara who has had me breathing down their neck-and take a step back, but I will review Hectic's case on Pooky and try and get a bit further on my reread.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think I've ever bussed in my entire 17 years playing mafia on this site but people still exec me for bussing so ╮(￣ω￣;)╭

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea self-meta is useless i know (╥﹏╥)

[Chara]

not really, if that's verifiable you're one step short of locktown.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You want to read thru my history? :>

[Chara]

do you have it sorted in a way (links to recent scumgames?) where it wouldn't be utter hell on earth for me to try? because yes, if you don't bus as scum, i would very much like to be able to verify that somehow.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84280 got yeeted by Isis D1
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83423 yeeted Clover Ebi D1
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83986 yeeted Norwee-town D1

[Chara]

HURT: Isis
tomorrow's homework.

[Prism]

I would encourage you to keep going-I concurred with your conclusion that you needed to be more confident. It's good to see that engine get a kickstart.

That said, if you need to sleep, it is rather late. But it'd be great to see you carry forward this energy and confidence into tomorrow.

I don't think you're town. But if you are, you're clearly in a better position to win us the game than I am: that alone should give you more confidence. I, and we, need you in order to win.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

<3 Hectic <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky locktown for taking over as DJ from Hectic-san o( ❛ᴗ❛ )o

[Prism]

Alright, we're back on the grind.

Pooky, given the timeline stuff I pointed out, can you give me quick bulletpoints to why you're still suspicious of Hectic? I do know that I still need to check into Hectic's Puppy progression on Day 2.

Hectic, I wish I had some bigger question for you but I don't, Pooky is probably town, reread Day 1 and stop working backwards gdi

[Prism]

Reading Day 1 results:

Pooky: TOWNSQUAD interactions are absolutely baller
Tanner: Start is kinda town, EOD is a bit sketchy, reacting to Pooky's Ele post was great. Probably town for D1? Why am I even typing something about this slot given D2?
Morning: Goddamnit why is there only really tone here, Ele progression was ehhhh but lean town still?
Chara: By far the worst (not in quality but in scummy/town) reads progressions. The only real +town point here is them not pushing Tayl0r somewhere in the later 30s/early 40s.
Hectic: Super town interactions early, a bit sketchy later as Puppy unvotes him without voting Elements.
Lavender: ??????????
redtea/Krazy: I still have this slot town for the meta but the interactions here were pretty solid too

tl;dr: it's probably chara but the later pages introduce some ambiguity.

[Prism]

Ele progression was ehhhh but lean town still?

this is really just coming from the unvote they had

does morning even like to bus though? like she had plenty of freedom iirc

I just hate dismissing the slot as town for gut/liking individual posts rather than like, finding something much more concrete

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bullet points:

1. Hectic feels not as radiantly supremely townie as I remember him in previous town games - there seems to be a weight on his soul that is heavy - so his posts do not feel as natural.
2. 782 is absolutely brilliant - you can see he put a lot of thought into it, so I'm confused why he doesn't follow up on D2.
3. His backrooms meta excuse for trying to push me is very ick - if you actually read backrooms I'm not really sure why he'd even scum-read me for that game - also doesn't seem like something he'd even notice unless he is Pierogon(alt in that game)
4. He's not around as much, I kinda miss him.


Tweetie has filled my heart with doubt though so now I'm kind of wavering- my conviction is gone and it is filled with dreadful worry that I could be wrong and have been incredibly unfair to Hectic and placed too much BoP on him when he's already so amazing (｡╯︵╰｡)

[Morning Tweet]

Ele progression was ehhhh but lean town still?

this is really just coming from the unvote they had

does morning even like to bus though? like she had plenty of freedom iirc

I just hate dismissing the slot as town for gut/liking individual posts rather than like, finding something much more concrete

I haven't played enough scum to have a good answer to this question

So far, I have never been on-wagon for a partner's elimination. But only one of my partners has ever been eliminated out of 3 scum games so far

Given a 50/50 between not bussing versus bussing, I would not bus

[Morning Tweet]

Pooky: TOWNSQUAD interactions are absolutely baller

If you're so sure Pooky is town, then I suppose I can help make your Chara dream come true

Prism
Tanner
Lavender
Hectic
Krazy
Chara
Pooky

[Morning Tweet]

Bullet points:

1. Hectic feels not as radiantly supremely townie as I remember him in previous town games - there seems to be a weight on his soul that is heavy - so his posts do not feel as natural.
2. 782 is absolutely brilliant - you can see he put a lot of thought into it, so I'm confused why he doesn't follow up on D2.
3. His backrooms meta excuse for trying to push me is very ick - if you actually read backrooms I'm not really sure why he'd even scum-read me for that game - also doesn't seem like something he'd even notice unless he is Pierogon(alt in that game)
4. He's not around as much, I kinda miss him.


Tweetie has filled my heart with doubt though so now I'm kind of wavering- my conviction is gone and it is filled with dreadful worry that I could be wrong and have been incredibly unfair to Hectic and placed too much BoP on him when he's already so amazing (｡╯︵╰｡)

You're BoPing him really hard considering he already caught 1 scum D1

I do get where you're coming from with him dropping Puppy D2. Idk. I feel like that could have been a result of how D2 was, though. just about veryone had Puppy as top town except Hectic/Tanner so maybe that influenced them to search elsewhere

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if I flopped your ears would that help get me off the bottom of your list. ヽ(￣ω￣(。。 )ゝ

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You're BoPing him really hard considering he already caught 1 scum D1

I do get where you're coming from with him dropping Puppy D2. Idk. I feel like that could have been a result of how D2 was, though. just about veryone had Puppy as top town except Hectic/Tanner so maybe that influenced them to search elsewhere

｡･ﾟﾟ*(>д<)*ﾟﾟ･｡


You are right - I have been too unfair to Hectic. (｡•́︿•̀｡)

HURT: no-one

[Morning Tweet]

I don't think I've ever bussed in my entire 17 years playing mafia on this site but people still exec me for bussing so ╮(￣ω￣;)╭

You distanced but I'm not sure you really bussed Elements. I don't know, I suppose it depends on your definition.

Do you never make posts like this towards buddys?

one of them should be pooky
one of them should be me
one of them should be hectic

btw this post is why i think elements is chara.

he very conveniently puts himself in the middle of the order - he can't be last because he'd die on D3 - so it's a sneaky middle of the pack insert - he doesn't put himself first because he's a very sneaky chara.

Like, you never put heat on your buddies at all as scum? Or you just don't hard bus them? Cause I don't really think you hard-bussed Elements. You left him on the table but you kept Catboi/redtea as options too and didn't actually place a vote signalling which exile you wanted until his fate was already sealed

(unless im forgetting something in which case link it and I will eat those words gladly)