Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 2.048
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	None	EL-7	3	2	4	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	None	EL-7	2	3	3	SirCakez
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
LavarManos	None	EL-7	3	3	4	LavarManos
Bingle	PenguinPower, SirCakez, Fun and Games, Nosferatu	EL-3	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	4	Nosferatu
I Keep Siteflaking	None	EL-7	3	3	3	I Keep Siteflaking
PenguinPower	Bingle	EL-6	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	Albert B. Rampage, Noraa, CreativeMod1, JohnnyFarrar, Gamma Emerald	EL-2	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Noraa	I Keep Siteflaking	EL-6	3	3	3	Noraa
JohnnyFarrar	None	EL-7	3	3	3	JohnnyFarrar
Not Voting	LavarManos
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-14 12:10:00)
Notes: None pagetops: Lilith 31 | penguin 16 | ABR 5 | johnnyf 3 | cm1 2 | gamma 2 | fun & games 2 | nosferatu 2 | cakez 2 | noraa 2 | gb 1 | bingle 1 | iks 1 | lavar 1

[Fun and Games]

I don't agree with ur reads and I personally think ur scum.

Ok.

[LavarManos]

I'm probably happy just voting Bingle today, but I will leave the door open for any last minute cases and stuff. I should probably be able to make it for deadline, but the idea of being a deciding vote is a bit scary.

[Noraa]

Honestly, I'm not feeling so down on Fun and Games anymore, but they could be fooling me. I don't really like either side of ABR/FG. 1563 just seemed like a cop out excuse for him not to specify on reasons of thinking your reads were fake.

However, I feel like there is somewhat of a "smug" air around you and ABR as if you think his reasons aren't believable and he isn't going to get you hanged which is somewhat surprising but also fits in with a scum narrative.

Flip bingle and have ABR prove his role on us if Bingle is not guilty.

I like the idea of this though

I don't see what's up with the post u linked. Ur prolly still scum ngl. Where tf do I think ABR's reasons aren't believable? Are you addressing cake? if yes, he isnt a possible wagon. Don't start a vanity wagon rn there's no point.

[Noraa]

I'm probably happy just voting Bingle today, but I will leave the door open for any last minute cases and stuff. I should probably be able to make it for deadline, but the idea of being a deciding vote is a bit scary.

*Sigh*
I want to vote you so bad but ik ur a vanity wagon at this point in time so I'll leave u til tmrw.

[LavarManos]

I thought I was getting vigged

[Fun and Games]

1563 just seemed like a cop out excuse for him not to specify on reasons of thinking your reads were fake. However, I feel like there is somewhat of a "smug" air around you and ABR as if you think his reasons aren't believable and he isn't going to get you hanged which is somewhat surprising but also fits in with a scum narrative.

- i think you quoted the wrong post (that links to noraa)
- idk if smug is quite the right word, as neither of us were feeling that. but both of us were super annoyed at abr/(noraa's) push earlier and were very exasperated and frustrated, it felt like banging my head into a wall.
- i think his reasons are ridiculous, yes, and i tend to resort to sarcasm when i get exasperated
- he might get us hanged idk. Would give it p decent odds actually

[Noraa]

I thought I was getting vigged

mmm well not exactly since apparently ABR isnt exactly a full fledged vig

[LavarManos]

I was addressing Fun and Games, and it definitely read to me like he had no specific reads that he thought were fake. Maybe he can talk me through that when he gets back.

[LavarManos]

Oh sorry I meant 1653.

[Fun and Games]

Oh yeah that was one of the exasperation-inducing posts, cuz what was i supposed to say to that already

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes yes, stall and delay the game even more pls.

Except we seem to be deadlocked where outside a few swing voters (read: me at the very least) everyone on one of F&G/Bingle seems locked into their vote. We need together break the deadlock, arrange the swing votes to get one through (because I think a no elim is a bad idea rn), or we need to find a compromise.

[Noraa]

Yes yes, stall and delay the game even more pls.

Except we seem to be deadlocked where outside a few swing voters (read: me at the very least) everyone on one of F&G/Bingle seems locked into their vote. We need together break the deadlock, arrange the swing votes to get one through (because I think a no elim is a bad idea rn), or we need to find a compromise.

gamma is right

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mod are we allowed to request you pause the deadline for a bit longer even tho a replacement has been found considering the huge amount of replacing out and prodges this game?

I would consider extending the deadline if enough players request it.

Request deadline extension

we may not need it but I want to put my quarter in while I can.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think we need to extend the deadline. Considering that I was the first vote on Fun and Games and this wagon is now the largest wagon when I literally repped in so late in the day shows how damn disoriented this town is. I will continue to push this wagon but I think this town is all over the place and we need to get ourselves together before falling flat on our faces in day 2.

Lofuckingl if you think stalling for more time is going to help consolidate town. Reeks.

it's not "stalling for time" it's making it so we're not pressured to make a decision as much

[Gamma Emerald]

How am I fence sitting? I think you are town, but I don't think the way you read people is particularly reliable.
IKS is I Keep Siteflaking. Scumreading him for voting a leading wagon doesn't seem accurate to me. What is the difference between town and scum voting Bingle in that situation?
About ABR, there is no guarantee that his reads are correct in the first place. Vigging me is a mistake.

ABR is not the only one who SRed you, if he was there would be an issue with him proposing to vig you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I quite prefer Noraa over Bingle at this point.

I wouldn't, I think she's actually being quite reasonable here.

[Gamma Emerald]

I love a town!ABR.

Weird comment then.

ah what I meant was that I liked having him as town in my reads

Sure. Because that’s more natural than just saying you like ABR.

I don't care to dive too deep into this rn but the way Noraa said it isn't entirely unnatural

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald has developed into a townread.

What for?

[Gamma Emerald]

And im biased here but from my experience as someone that has not very convincing or correct reads for the most part, its very difficult to not get mad when you feel like everyone is actively ignoring/discrediting your opinions. I feel like this is precisely what's happening with ABR here. I think some people are bad at persuading and bad at reads(me and maybe ABR?) and ik that its difficult for town to deal with players like this at times but honestly we don't feel hot when people just go around and say hey ur reads r shit. And I think the way to actually get something out of them is to just not pile onto them :/

The more people discredit, the more emotionally fueled his reads will be
the more emotionally fueled, the worse

I can second this sentiment, both from just a general perspective and from having played with RC plenty.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really like either of them at this point, but hopefully reading more into things helps me out.

Heya, is there anything u want to talk about?

~ skitter

*sigh*
am I not supposed to see this as a pocket?

I think you might be tunneling actually, it doesn't seem overt enough to be a pocket yet. As it is, it just looks like trying to get the word in edgewise, which isn't really a tell I think.

[Noraa]

who is RC?

[Gamma Emerald]

Abr has a history of being emotionally charged and people discrediting him as a reason is bunk.

this is true
doesn't change that I think Noraa is genuine about believing that

[Gamma Emerald]

who is RC?

Radiant Cowbells. He is a very self-assured player, and is very hard to talk down if he thinks he is right.

[lilith2013]

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