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[duppin]

thanks for the talk

now plus please respond to my posts

[PlusJOYED]

ok I think heres where im at
shelly or duppin is definitely scum. 99% sure its TvS, 1% its SvS but if it is thats so ballsy and I respect it

hectic is very unlikely to be scum with shelly considering he's bussing her here when it'd be pretty easy to side against duppin. I think if he is scum he'd have to be with duppin.

duppin to me has felt rather scummy most this game. I need to iso dive though.

shelly has made many questionable choices today. Either she's flustered scum trying to pocket me hard, since she thought I'd vote duppin right away and her partner would hammer, or she"s confused town. I genuinely think she's capable of making the claim as scum but it'd make way more sense to target me for consistency and since my mundi hammer was scummy. the swap on me is very odd if its from scum

the remaining slots to solve are uno, and dave. I firmly believe one of them is scum and the other is town.

Uno seems plausible, I have a similar gut read on them as I do duppin, and I think they are waiting it out and lurking as scum would be inclined to, quickhammer at the ready.
I think dave is town, mainly cause saudade was very townie to me. When I read suadade, he played exactly the same as he did in 2163 to me, he just went for another slot. Dave strikes me as genuine too at this point, but i need to hear more + reread.

So that being all considered, my most likely solve is duppin/uno. With hectic, me, shelly, and dave town.
I'm gonna iso dive later before I vote though + hear from dave today.

[PlusJOYED]

Also, I'm aware this is gamblers fallacy, but shelly being scum with noraa again seems like a stretch

[PlusJOYED]

Before I make my choice, I need to:
reread noraa's interactions
reread duppin iso to elaborate on my gut
reread dave
reread uno

[duppin]

hm I am fairly confident UNO is town so I think thats a 0/2 solve in mylo which no matter what your alignment is, is a bit concerning

[PlusJOYED]

Yeah, I got this feeling which is why I didn't mention it at all.

I really do think shelly is scum though, Plus. She's pocketed you and is way too confident you're town, it's TMI. Her being "dumb" is not because she's dumb, it's because those thoughts are fake.

@shelly: Why didn't you claim the guilty straight away?

because i was considering risk vs. reward in case duppin was PR

i overthought wayyyyyy too much

also confidence =! TMI, you're confident in scum!me, does this mean you claim scum with me.

programmed pet peeve but this should be !=

[UNOwen]

I

was

a little paranoid about being suckered by duppin/Hectic team townreading me but I just don't see Hectic as scum, so if that's what is happening then well played and RIP me.

The only thing which puts doubt on this is why shelly is claiming a guilt on DUPPIN rather than Plus (or Dave if he's not actually scum). I guess UNOwen's and Plus's reactions egged her on? They looked like they would believe shelly over duppin.

This is why duppin/dave remains an active possibility. It is a very risky play from scum shelly to go for the win in this way instead of banking on her town credibility to carry the day.

[UNOwen]

I think dave is town, mainly cause saudade was very townie to me. When I read suadade, he played exactly the same as he did in 2163 to me, he just went for another slot. Dave strikes me as genuine too at this point, but i need to hear more + reread.

Dave is not Saudade's replacement.

[PlusJOYED]

this is semi of an outside factor/meta but
I'd also think shelly is aware that I was salty af at her since 2163 ended, like frustrated enough to self vote in lylo as town. She's gotten me elimed imo 3 times as scum. Maybe she just feels bad, but she has to be somewhat aware I'd be more likely to go for her in a lylo situation since I don't wanna lose to scum!shelly again, which leads me to think she's town.

[duppin]

this is semi of an outside factor/meta but
I'd also think shelly is aware that I was salty af at her since 2163 ended, like frustrated enough to self vote in lylo as town. She's gotten me elimed imo 3 times as scum. Maybe she just feels bad, but she has to be somewhat aware I'd be more likely to go for her in a lylo situation since I don't wanna lose to scum!shelly again, which leads me to think she's town.

on the other hand it could also be a reason to pocket you if youre town

[PlusJOYED]

I think dave is town, mainly cause saudade was very townie to me. When I read suadade, he played exactly the same as he did in 2163 to me, he just went for another slot. Dave strikes me as genuine too at this point, but i need to hear more + reread.

Dave is not Saudade's replacement.

oh shit wtf I must've went too fast
who replaced saudade? who did dave replace?

[duppin]

I think dave is town, mainly cause saudade was very townie to me. When I read suadade, he played exactly the same as he did in 2163 to me, he just went for another slot. Dave strikes me as genuine too at this point, but i need to hear more + reread.

Dave is not Saudade's replacement.

oh shit wtf I must've went too fast
who replaced saudade? who did dave replace?

battle mage replaced saudade
dave replaced mini

[PlusJOYED]

ok my bad dave replaced mini
now im torn between uno and dave

[PlusJOYED]

this is semi of an outside factor/meta but
I'd also think shelly is aware that I was salty af at her since 2163 ended, like frustrated enough to self vote in lylo as town. She's gotten me elimed imo 3 times as scum. Maybe she just feels bad, but she has to be somewhat aware I'd be more likely to go for her in a lylo situation since I don't wanna lose to scum!shelly again, which leads me to think she's town.

on the other hand it could also be a reason to pocket you if youre town

possibly, i think town shelly is more likely here though
also fyi shelly if ur scum this game and you win im never trusting you in a mafia game again lol, I'll go after you every time

[duppin]

plus if you are town i would love for you to iso dive and revaluate the game and then if you reach the same conclusion you are wrong but it is what it is, however to me you come across as very conf biased since you seem to attribute everything shelly does as coming from a town perspective and everything i do from a scum perspective. if you are town i expect you to have an open mind and then evaluate and then i can whine post game if you still read the same conclusion but at least i cant blame you for lack of effort

[Hectic]

UNOwen, do you scumread duppin over shelly?

[Hectic]

I feel like we shouldn't be launching either until Dave comes back though. If we agree that both of shelly/duppin are most likely scum with Dave, it might just be optimal to launch there instead.

Plus is not scum, just based on content now.
UNOwen not scum due to associations.

We kill Dave? He has no motivation to solve while everyone else is very engaged, probably just scum.

[Hectic]

Maybe we should massclaim after all to see how viable shelly's role is with the rest of the setup...
I'm kind of tempted, maybe we can just see if it fits.

[Hectic]

If there was another investigative/information gathering role, they really should've claimed by now, since shelly or there role is too much power for town, so I'm going to wager a guess we don't have any more of those.

I don't think there's any harm in massclaiming here.

[Hectic]

LET'S MASSCLAIM

Starting with Dave, so we might have to wait a while.

[duppin]

dave could definitely be scum in fact I think it is very likely, but shelly is 100% scum. I believe we should always lim in me and shelly rather than delaying it especially since the only townread i am very confident in is UNO

[Hectic]

You're not confident in me? Plus/UNOwen both want you over shelly, it'd be the easiest thing in the world for a me/shelly team to win right now.

[Hectic]

Weak neighbour type roles have clearly rubbed off on you, Morning.

[duppin]

I believe you are more likely to be town but youre my paranoia read.

but I actually kind of understand your point since it would be easy to push the dave duppin pair in which case the lack of resistance would be easy to explain

[Hectic]

I'm kind of struggling to understand how I'm still your paranoia read after gunning for shelly so much with you.