Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Noraa]

I suppose the other prs can be just as deadly but losing a scum buddy overnight isnt gonna sit well with the scum team....

[Noraa]

especially rn when they r really close to losing

[Datisi]

so i was gonna catch up yesterday, but then i decided to drink beer and play tetris with beorgegailey until like 5am
stellar decision lemme tell you
anyway

I just wonder why no follow up from scum on TGP in the knowledge of icos protect order?

ico revealed who he docced on n2 today, no? no way for scum to "follow up" on it when they didn't know?

(1) vig+scum both attacked mena which nullified ico's protecc (2) noraa is scum, ico got blocked, letting her lolclaim vig

(3) ico is scum and lying about proteccting mena

(2) is unlikely because without a vig town power is too low for scum to also have a blocker i think
(4) is maybe a combination of (1) and (2) where noraa is a town vig, scum blocked ico and then double-teamed mena anyway but meh

Assuming 3 scum tho, datisis would have done *something* surely, even as goon/or PR

lol "assuming"
that's why it's called a soft-clear tho

i'd assume i'm essentially confirmed town because barring any shenanigans ico protected me n2 while nora shot bm so the mafia kill was on me

hmm
i didn't think of this at the time, but
either ico is lying about being a doc (no), scum shot BM (unlikely), scum holstered (also unlikely), comical fourth answer (???), or tgp got shot
not 100% but yeah +++town

If I have to vig a vt claim today, I really want to vig u

...

re 2810: probably maybe i'll get back to you on that

noraa's posts on page 113 are pure pain to read

But if you are vig then there is a scum blocker

why is this necessary again?

incorrect. if I'm vig, it actually likely means scum have a doctor

no

part of my sus on ico is bc town vig often times means scum doc

it really doesn't

Mena had a pretty strong role
BM did as well
Ico as doctor is really strong
Bob as follower is pretty strong too
and then me as vig

the only decent roles on that list are doc and vig

I don't get it

scum had role for (among other things) finding a neighbourhood
why would scum have a role for finding a neighbourhood if a scum is already in a hood (and therefore knows about it)
hence ico and menal town

both role watcher and vanilla cop are very weak investigative roles, role watcher can maaaaybe confirm an existence of a different PR while a vanilla cop can just confirm if someone is a PR or not (and also send letters which is not really +EV for town)
follower/role watcher/vigilante/doc actually give a pretty interesting dynamic
and we also don't know what the other two scum are

Why isn't this scum! Noraa in plain sight?

*do* you think this is scum!noraa hiding in plain sight?

yay i made it to my most recent posts

except that a lot of people think ur scum so if ur scum, it doesn't really matter if u say someone is towny, u'd be saying it just to pocket

also i wanted to point something here
like even if you think i'm scum, it's not related to the point of me saying ico is town
because either i'm town and i know what i'm talking about or i'm scum and i'm bullshitting because i know ico is town
(obviously from your pov it could be ico/dats team but like. no.)

7 alive, so that's 3 chances, 1 fuck-up left i think
so either 3 executes or 2 executes + vig shot, assuming no more kills get blocked for either side

which reminds me, if we execute a townie today, we lose if both noraa and scum kill a townie, so we really ned to have a consensus to avoid that
@noraa i know you don't like "people telling PRs what to do" but

except i am not scum and i know how to read ico and i'm trying to stop y'all from throwing

One thing i have found in my many games with you is that you have never misread ico. Was one the biggest factors in your last town game that let me solve it day 2. Even if scum did get me lynched

So you agree with me that ico is town. Whihc of teh two of teh possible reason for menal nk based on the fact that ico protected him do you think is more liekly. That he was blocked and nora is scum or that scum and nora double teamed menal?

i talked a bit about this above

if ico is blocked and noraa is scum, then it's
asc ind doc + role watcher neighbours, vanillacop/mailman, follower
vs
that complex fuckery, *at least* 1shot blocker, ???
even if ??? is a goon i don't think this holds any water

so yeah menal was probably a scum kill as well as a vig kill.

alonzo just doesnt make sense with that hammer on teacher even if datisi had claimed intent a few hours before. Normaly scum doesnt hammer like that when a townie has declared intent.

???
why would scum "not hammer like that"?

[snip]
As based on my reads its most likely username/datisi. As i think alonzo is town and town leaning gtp

I 100% agree with this. Username/datisi sounds the most reasonable

how tf am i scum with username?

Yeah ico tell us mena's results and then town lim user and I vig datisi and its hopefully game over.

p sure ico already said menal didn't even claim to him
and that's not gonna be game over

Where tf are ico and datisi when we need reads from them?

getting drunk playing tetris
idk about ico

there problem is that if I holster, I'm definitely the nk right?

doesn't matter if you holster or not, you're not getting killed since ico will be (or like should be) on you

anyway:
- ico is town alright thank you thank you i'll be here all night
- noraa is town because otherwise i don't think there's enough town power
- same goes for bob i think
- tgp shoooouuuuld be town for getting saved on night two
- gun to head (haha) i think the team is user/alonzo, since they both seem to be kinda awkwardly trying to ~expand~ the PoE/execution pool
- however, if we get a green flip today, i think the best idea would be for noraa to holster and for us to try to solve 5p lylo rather than risk instaloss from a faulty vig shot
- esp considering i'm (i guess?) next in the firing line and the mod told me i'm town and, while being the game-losing misexecute is bad, being the game-losing misvig would be tragic

[TheGoldenParadox]

^^ everything in that post is correct and it makes me lean town much harder on datisi

@noraa you definitely need to holster in the very unlikely event of iaaun!town

and if user is town shoot alonzo because alonzo has been trying this entire day to bring confirmed and pseudoconfirmed innocents into the pool

[Noraa]

scum had role for (among other things) finding a neighbourhood
why would scum have a role for finding a neighbourhood if a scum is already in a hood (and therefore knows about it)
hence ico and menal town

both role watcher and vanilla cop are very weak investigative roles, role watcher can maaaaybe confirm an existence of a different PR while a vanilla cop can just confirm if someone is a PR or not (and also send letters which is not really +EV for town)
follower/role watcher/vigilante/doc actually give a pretty interesting dynamic
and we also don't know what the other two scum are

VERY ++++ point. If ur scum, smh ur making my conftowns more and more conftown.

[Noraa]

^^ everything in that post is correct and it makes me lean town much harder on datisi

@noraa you definitely need to holster in the very unlikely event of iaaun!town

and if user is town shoot alonzo because alonzo has been trying this entire day to bring confirmed and pseudoconfirmed innocents into the pool

you managed to directly clash urself in one post

[TheGoldenParadox]

tbh noraa won't be the nightkill in any case; she's proved helpful for scum. it'll almost definitely be ico because he can't self-target

[TheGoldenParadox]

^^ everything in that post is correct and it makes me lean town much harder on datisi

@noraa you definitely need to holster in the very unlikely event of iaaun!town

and if user is town shoot alonzo because alonzo has been trying this entire day to bring confirmed and pseudoconfirmed innocents into the pool

you managed to directly clash urself in one post

sorry *if user is scum shoot alonzo

[TheGoldenParadox]

scum had role for (among other things) finding a neighbourhood
why would scum have a role for finding a neighbourhood if a scum is already in a hood (and therefore knows about it)
hence ico and menal town

both role watcher and vanilla cop are very weak investigative roles, role watcher can maaaaybe confirm an existence of a different PR while a vanilla cop can just confirm if someone is a PR or not (and also send letters which is not really +EV for town)
follower/role watcher/vigilante/doc actually give a pretty interesting dynamic
and we also don't know what the other two scum are

VERY ++++ point. If ur scum, smh ur making my conftowns more and more conftown.

yeah dats seems quite town here

[Noraa]

Ok scum is in user, datisi and alonzo. If user is green, scum is datisi/alonzo

[Noraa]

sorry *if user is scum shoot alonzo

iauun and user are the same person. u are still directing clashing.

yeah dats seems quite town here

no. I just won a scum game yesterday by being protown

[Noraa]

Oh nvm I didn't read that

[Noraa]

tbh noraa won't be the nightkill in any case; she's proved helpful for scum. it'll almost definitely be ico because he can't self-target

no "I have proven helpful for scum" is a bullshit reason considering I am currently not the one making the decision.
it'll likely be ico unless the scums want ico to stay alive for town to start suspecting which I suppose is possible.
either way lets stop giving scums fucking reasons to kill people.

[Noraa]

ico protect me.

[Noraa]

btw why should I holster if user is town? that means scum team is datisi/alonzo

[TheGoldenParadox]

no. I just won a scum game yesterday by being protown

uh

[Alonzo]

It doesn't appear tgp is actually reading my posts, looks closer you will see I'm reaffirming those soft town clears. Numpty.

[Noraa]

no. I just won a scum game yesterday by being protown

uh

well believe it or not I was the only person solving

[TheGoldenParadox]

btw why should I holster if user is town? that means scum team is datisi/alonzo

there is a small but nonzero chance that it's actually alonzo/bob or datisi/bob

shooting would deny town the chance to sort and solve day 5

[Noraa]

why would it be bob?

[Noraa]

if its not in that little pool, its honestly you not bob

[TheGoldenParadox]

I just wonder why no follow up from scum on TGP in the knowledge of icos protect order?

ICo has varying degrees of equity depending on your stance

tries to put ico back into the scumpool

ICo self protects , noraa shoots ICO, Bob follows tgp?

proposes a plan in full knowledge of a scum roleblocker that would massively backfire if scum just roleblocker ico

Are you willing to lose and hold your hands up and say ' damn, scum! Noraa played me like a fiddle' or not @ tho?

HOW IS NORAA SCUM ALONZO

Noraas iso reads ' stay the fuck out of my way or I shoot you' to me

tries to put noraa back into the limpool

Answer me this @tgp why is Ico town?

Because you don't want a doc mislynch/ vig, or something deeper?

Mechanically icos not safe before you hot me with that.

desperately tries, after it is been very clearly established that ico is town, to get ico back into poe

alonzo is seeming very antitown here

[TheGoldenParadox]

if its not in that little pool, its honestly you not bob

if iaaun is town, i'm inclined to believe that he might be correct on scum!bob and that he's not lying about his experience of game balancing

[Noraa]

hm

[Noraa]

is the consensus that I holster if user is town?