Doesn't help either. What it does do is give scum an idea of who's what based on what people speculate. Let's not.In post 8, Tayl0r Swift wrote:so the mafia has a strongman, rolecop, and roleblocker. since scum already knows what town has, is it worth it for town to speculate about what roles town has? it cant hurt right?
Looks like town to me.In post 13, MURDERCAT wrote:I was wondering about this. I actually didn't read the setup that closely so I didn't realize that we learn what the scum chose. Do we know the number of points? I'm going to look at that.In post 8, Tayl0r Swift wrote:so the mafia has a strongman, rolecop, and roleblocker. since scum already knows what town has, is it worth it for town to speculate about what roles town has? it cant hurt right?
The only thing to wonder about is, because scum knows the roles, any town member who seems to know too much about the setup could get found out.
Also I am super hyped for this game, I think it will be a lot of fun.
VOTE: Isis
Valid. I recommend power roles read the wiki pages about their roles for advice on how to use them, generally speaking.In post 19, MURDERCAT wrote:There are some benefits like hypoing about how certain roles should be used, but scum can interfere with those discussions so probably not that much benefit.In post 14, Exorcists wrote:Doesn't help either. What it does do is give scum an idea of who's what based on what people speculate.
It won't hurt to hear it. Shoot.In post 24, MURDERCAT wrote:Almost certainly
If you want my self meta about my scum game I am happy to provide it, but I am usually hesitant to because it is really wifomy and people are then unable to form their own unbiased conclusions.
It was. What does egoing the thread mean? I've seen some do it but don't get it.
You seem to be very self-aware of your meta. On one hand, I do like that you're willing to voluntarily offer it like this, since I'd guess it'd make you a little more uncomfortable as scum. However, this seems to be the first game where I assume you're trying to eliminate the usefulness of this meta, so I like it, but not as much.In post 37, MURDERCAT wrote:As town I hard commit to getting people elimed when I become confident they are scum. This usually involves detailed cases, hard pushes, and actively encouraging my town reads to vote with me. This might happen on D1, but is probably more likely to happen on D2.Exorcists wrote:It won't hurt to hear it. Shoot.In post 24, MURDERCAT wrote:Almost certainly
If you want my self meta about my scum game I am happy to provide it, but I am usually hesitant to because it is really wifomy and people are then unable to form their own unbiased conclusions.
-Lance
I put in effort as scum, so long detailed posts are NAI. I can and have bussed, but I am usually hesitant to do so.
I think the biggest tell in my scum game is that I can't fake the level of enthusiasm I have for eliming scum that I have when town.
As town I will often do somewhat questionable things to provoke reads, which may get me miselimed. I do want to try to tone that back this game and just obv town from the start.
As you can tell I've been thinking a lot about my own meta because I just set up my wiki to include all my completed games the other day
I dislike this because stating PlusJOYED doesn't want to speculate on prs directly contradicts the following statement of suspecting one exists due to there being a strongman. It doesn't take a genius to work that one out, so the former seems written more for appearances.In post 35, PlusJOYED wrote:so maf have rolecop, roleblocker and non consecutive strongman. thats 5 so we must have 8
I don't wanna speculate on prs this early but I have a suspicion of 1 existing due to the mafia picking a strongman
ahh people beat me to it
ill toss this here for now
VOTE: murdercat
Slight scum pings from this because it's self-explanatory. As if Random Canadian wants to fake not knowing about the number of town roles, so elaborates on this point, when it's fairly obvious and shouldn't require elaboration.In post 18, Random Canadian wrote:If I am reading the setup rules correctly town has 8 points worth of PR'sIn post 13, MURDERCAT wrote:I was wondering about this. I actually didn't read the setup that closely so I didn't realize that we learn what the scum chose. Do we know the number of points?but that doesn't tell us how many total because that could change based on how the points were divided up.
Where is your scum-slip?In post 52, Tayl0r Swift wrote:actually im very nervous but fortunately no one seems to have noticed my scumslip. i feel like i covered it up pretty well.
I have a bad habit of reading scum claiming as towny. I'd love to see the data on how likely it is to come from town vs scum.In post 55, Battle Mage wrote:Bad take. Taylor-town does not give impression of trying. Taylor appears to be trying here. Ergo, Taylor scum. Additionally:
no way they're both scum that's for sureIn post 116, PlusJOYED wrote:This is odd but I actually have 0 clue on who scum could be, and I think taylor vs BM was NAI. I have some weak townreads though.
i like how plus is going back and finding this stuff, looks townie. also i got the same feeling on the tone from xofelf!In post 120, PlusJOYED wrote:ya i think it doesn't mean anything @bm
hold up, upon iso checking, I think there is something I missed first read
-RC voting and defending himself then leaving is a tiny bit weird, could be nothing
-xoltelf is rather sus. specifically, the fact that they joined in like 2008 and pull a newbiecard, claiming they're rusty and they've never considered option B for meta, and seem very open minded. I don't expect people to be mafia gods just cause of an early join date but I do expect them to know what they're doing and their uncertain tone feels very fake to me.
VOTE: xoltelf
i don't like it either. it's like he's going for something that's safe to push even though from what i checked he's played with her a bunch and he should know messin around from her isn't a reason to think she's scum or whatever
it's kind of modspewedIn post 129, MURDERCAT wrote:Why? I am leaning that way but don't feel comfortable concluding that at the moment.In post 128, Exorcists wrote:no way they're both scum that's for sure
how's that worked out for you in your other games with her?
do you think you do it more of the time town or scum?In post 138, Tayl0r Swift wrote:lets just say that no one has caught me as scum with that "tell" because it isnt a tell. i just like to have a bit of fun and live on the edge.
i trust lance over myself. my vote would be battle mage maybe but we haven't talked about it yetIn post 146, egotisi wrote:?
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@Battle Mage, I’m still interested in this. Can you summarise how she did this and link please?In post 75, Battle Mage wrote:she's probably just brazen scum. i recently played another open setup with taylor and she was scum and made a similar move on day 1 - openly trying to encourage town to make an obviously anti-town play. inexplicably she survived until day 3...
I know this is a joke, but it’s a good point. I’ll talk to my other heads more to give less opinion whiplash. Could always sort our logic though.In post 335, Noraa wrote:Update: I no longer like hydras. I'm not even gonna solve this slot. their dang opinions change around every two minutes. too difficult. someone else do it.
Why is this a townslip?In post 415, MURDERCAT wrote:townslip?In post 414, Jewel Barons wrote:we don't really have a PT, it seems like we've decided to just talk in thread which will get messy if we're gonna disagree a lot
This is my first time in a hydra and I did just say I would try so this was a bit unpleasant. No, I haven't played with Plus.In post 417, Noraa wrote:U ever played a game with him before? I definitely feel like my read is fairly accurate considering I've played quite a bit with plus(the ongoing I will not mention) Also thank you please do make sure all ur heads say the same thing cuz if all town sees from ur slot is "blah is really sus. nah blah is actually pretty town. Nono blah is sus", we cannot solve you. I was not joking. If ur slot continued to shift opinions all the time, I was going to just ignore ur slot and honestly, tho I hate policy lims, I would suggest it. The other two hydras have less people(only two in both cases) and their opinions are somewhat the same. Urs is the only one that isn't consistent at all.
Weird post. Serves nothing other than pointing out some of Plus's reads are probably incorrect, which is a given for anyone at this stage.In post 453, Dunnstral wrote:Considering everyone to the left of me is your townreads, I'm neutral, and everyone to the right of me is your scumread, then from my point of view; you're either scum, townreading scum, or you're exactly right on your three scumreads. Given the basis for your reads, and general probability, it's probably one of the first two.In post 443, PlusJOYED wrote:In terms of ranking from town to scum, I'd say something like:
ego > exorcist > isis > jewels > tswift > murdercat > bm > cobra > dunnstral > rc > noraa > xofelf
Can I get a ELI5 for the context and why it's role fishing?In post 411, MURDERCAT wrote:I asked and didn't get a response I don't think. I believe it refers to one of these:In post 409, Exorcists wrote:@Battle Mage, I’m still interested in this. Can you summarise how she did this and link please?
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Also weird. Shouldn't Random Canadian be incentivized to come back when there is pressure, not isn't?In post 390, Tayl0r Swift wrote:well just know ill be keeping an eye on you. its very convenient that youre back now that the pressure is off. i moved my vote because the game was ready to move on and i didnt want to help stagnate it. im conflicted, as i expressed. i both dislike the wagon falling apart, and like that it fell apart. im not sure which one of those is the correct take. i dont townread you though.In post 389, Random Canadian wrote:How come you stopped voting me in this same post then if my play hasn't deserved your attention elsewhere?
Very nice. Dunnstral, Noraa, and Tayl0r are all slots I want to look at right now. I've changed my mind on both Plus and Random Canadian. I'll join you on Noraa.In post 483, Isis wrote:I'm caught up and I want to VOTE: Noraa, it's been lots of bits and pieces too small to quote but the bits where she doesn't believe herself deserving to be townread doesn't make me want to townread her. It outweighs the things I liked.
Dunnstral seems scummy to me, but by now I think I've tallied enough read accuracy from him across games that I want him alive more than other players because a town!Dunnstral is going to solve the game for me.
I'd find Jewel Barons a little scummy for being sideliney if I ignored the PT thing, but I agree with Dunnstral about that being a strong push town and that matters more. And I'm used to not loving Gamma's posting until finally finding something I like on page 80.
If I had to pick another scum I think I'd pick Swift but I want to give her room to play right now.
Accepted. No hard feelings!
The advocating for people to PR spec move.In post 427, Tayl0r Swift wrote:what move?
I like our Noraa vote. Her Plus push doesn't seem to be in good faith -- like she's starting off with the conclusion Plus is scum and is doing support work afterwards. Makes even more sense if I take into account the people saying they've miselimed Plus before; she could think he was an easy push. Furthermore, I think her mindset has been to "refute, refute, refute" rather than evaluate.In post 548, Exorcists wrote:Very nice. Dunnstral, Noraa, and Tayl0r are all slots I want to look at right now. I've changed my mind on both Plus and Random Canadian. I'll join you on Noraa.
I did not like the Jewel vote at the end of egotisi's catch-up posts. I noticed the foreshadowing, but they haven't taken into account the modspew and this just feels like a wrong vote. Maybe also because I agree with a lot of their other reads, I don't feel this one is very plausible.In post 657, egotisi wrote:i've already spoken a bit about jewels in 146/316 and like... norwee is giving me the same vibes he did when i was playing scum against him. like, the closest he has to a read is 394, which like. it's bad. granted, i don't know how to read gamma, but nothing he's done or posted so far is like, jumping out at me or saying ~town~, so.
my current hot take: VOTE: jewel barons
I'm town on BM. Rereading 90 interaction, I actually think it was a misunderstanding and or misrep on Taylor's part.In post 845, MURDERCAT wrote:Is there anyone who is reading town on BM right now? If so, please explain
I agree. I feel like she thought she found something very pushable in Plus, but is annoyed people aren't agreeing with her. I like quite a lot of Isis posts.In post 801, Isis wrote:Noraa has lots of unfairly caught scum vibes, but then I keep changing my mind
Noraa's tunnel continues to rub me the wrong way. She is, at best, extremely biased if she thinks this is AtE.In post 854, Noraa wrote:AtE does not work on me plus.In post 847, PlusJOYED wrote:as others have stated i can't go hard in depth cuz site rules. But you love tunneling elimable slots like me as scum and I've never seen you tunnel like this as town. You also come off as lamisty to me
I'd be interested in some links.In post 860, PlusJOYED wrote:that's what I started to notice tooIn post 706, Tayl0r Swift wrote:this is very much noraas scum meta.
Town Noraa didn't push this hard.
I feel like this game both has a decent amount to work with, and I have some reads I feel good about so I'm surprised you think this game is going nowhere. I just responded to your BM read. What is your stance of Noraa vs Plus? What are your reads?In post 878, MURDERCAT wrote:This game feels like it is going nowhere fast. We have 3 days left. Need to see more from xof and Dunn.
Scum is probably just coasting because town is being lazy. I posted a case on BM. Can people please either engage with it or make a new case?
In post 970, Noraa wrote:I would normally consider this AtE but I've felt this recently so I actually vibe with it more.In post 962, Battle Mage wrote:BM gets frustrated/sad and stops trying hard
In post 973, Noraa wrote:I am not v confident there. I agree Taylor been acting fishy. I could see a scum!Taylor here as her normal town meta is nothing like this but I hate being SRed for shitty meta reasons that are really weak and like "this is not her town game" so I'm not gonna be one of those people.In post 971, Battle Mage wrote:noraa, you didnt take up my offer of joining the taylor wagon - talk to me about why?
Actually, these latest Noraa posts strike me as genuine. I may have to talk to my other heads about it.In post 975, Noraa wrote:I dont have any reasons for Taylor to be scum besides this isnt her normal town game and I'm not willing to use such a trash reason as some people here are using on me.
I like you too, Battle Mage.In post 1005, Battle Mage wrote:The Alice-head is my favourite from the Exorcists
I'm game. VOTE: Tayl0r SwiftIn post 1015, Battle Mage wrote:let's do Taylor then.
This also stands out to me.In post 1047, Noraa wrote:If the solve was seriously Taylor/Noraa/someone else, no I would not bus. I never bus unless absolutely forced to. I am very weak when it comes to shit like that and I despise being alone in a pt. None of what you stated is AI but trying to read into it read somewhat towny definitely.
I've yet to look into Noraa's games and don't have any experience with her so I don't know what she's capable of. I also like that attempt to solve, but gut says it's fakable. Note there's a bit of overexplaining, especially the last line to make sure her point is getting across.In post 1081, Infinity 324 wrote:Alice, talk to me about nora. I had her at a scumlean but I found this ^ again and I'm having doubts. Do you think scum!nora can fake sorting, just doesn't want to?In post 294, Noraa wrote:I dont particularly think xof is scum and I dont like how fast u jumped off me. I feel a townie would jump on me bc of suspicions that I am scum and investigate and dig around a bit even if only baiting reactions to see what's up. I dont think townies back off this easily and in such a ~pockety~ way. This is something I find strange and I think Isis will be at a scum lean for now bc of that.
PEdit: No cobra, just wanted your thoughts. I kinda felt like dismissing all of it as useless may have been a cop out. I did have the same concerns wrt nora and BM.
I’m sorry. I feel egotisi and on reflection, Noraa have much more chance of flipping scum than Taylor who is a bit null-scummy.
He’s given reasons in his readlist, I’m pretty sure. Why do you choose to ignore that? Also the point you seem focused on was addressed as well. He said he can’t elaborate because of site rules but felt your push doesn’t come from town, so like, bad faith. Most of your read was a meta read. I’m not convinced this wasn’t just scum-inconsistency.In post 1091, Noraa wrote:not exactly the same thing. Taylor is scummy due to meta but plus is not only scummy bc of meta. he also fails to provide reasons for his SRs and TRs. That has nothing to do with meta.In post 1079, Exorcists wrote:Wait, no it doesn't. I think these are good reasons to suspect Taylor so I'm confused as to why Noraa doesn't want to join the wagon. And unless I'm mistaken, the Plus tunnel was based on meta too -- quite suspicious.
I don’t really see that link, but then again, I’m not particularly looking for links. I can still go for Noraa. I’m not convinced that both of [egotisi, Noraa] aren’t scum right now though.In post 1172, Battle Mage wrote:the partner equity between noraa and taylor is big. you should have stuck with me.
In post 1181, Noraa wrote:no he didn'tIn post 1176, Exorcists wrote:He’s given reasons in his readlist, I’m pretty sure.
This is entirely meta read. You’re attaching reasons based on how well you know Plus. I don’t see him doing any of that.In post 1192, Noraa wrote:1)the games ongoing so don't u dare say anything about that
2)plus you have more experience with scum Noraa than norwee. why are you not trying to solve me? All I see is you agreeing with Taylor that I'm hard to solve and then asking Norwee to solve me. Can't you solve me urself? I don't think town!plus hesitates to solve me rn or talks about me this much while never directly solving. I could see town!plus completely avoiding me bc he is not confident he can solve me or actively trying hard to solve me. I cannot see town!plus actively engaging me but backing away from solving and finding millions of excuses when no one even asked. You seem to think you have to talk about me to keep me not suspicious of u but you want to just go with the flow and blend into the rest of town.
I will be putting pressure here.
VOTE: Plus
Why does this want to make you kill Xof?In post 1466, egotisi wrote:...In post 1464, xofelf wrote:We won't be losing anything important in the process. I'm not a PR
can we kill xof now?
-tisi
There are cases I would agree, but I completely disagree here because you are very likely scum and using this as a reason to kill them/save yourself.In post 1470, egotisi wrote:i already think xofelf has decent scum equity, and they just claimed vt. either they're scum trying to wifom us or they're a scummy vt. and considering how power-heavy the scumteam is, hiding our PRs is important. no need to be getting another claim.
-tisi
This reads genuine to me.In post 1464, xofelf wrote:Look, if yeeting me gives you more information on solving all these other pushes on me and through out, by all means go for it. We won't be losing anything important in the process. I'm not a PR, nor am I scum, so if that makes it easier to actually vote out the people who ARE, go for it. I'm gonna flip green, but not a green that it's gamelosing when I do.
I don't really like how little Isis is contributing here. I know she's incredibly precise in all that she says ever, but I feel like she normally says more.
? I've decided I don't townread you at all and have not done for a while. This sounds very much like you're trying to shade me for no reason other than discredit me.In post 1579, Noraa wrote:I remember ur TR on me was paper thin. You shifted around so much that although the town consensus is that u r town, I'm starting to have doubts. Also just like Cobra, I think ur pushing way too confidently.
