Mini Theme 2172: Great Idea Mafia - Game Over

[Titus]

Oh I forgot about multitasking:/

[EchoVision]

yo

sup boo

[MURDERCAT]

Echo you seem quiet this game, what's on your mind

[MURDERCAT]

Titus, does that change what you want to do with ranny?

[EchoVision]

The ones who I’m townleaning at the moment are: Titus, Noraa, Echo, Herta

Null: PlusJOYED, ico, MURDERCAT,

Scum or Anti-town: Ranny, red, username, NPOM

why are you townleaning titus and myself
noraa i understand, you went over it a little bit
herta you went over a lil bit but eh
herta's been townier the past bit since the avi change so i'm just looking in a diff direction

[EchoVision]

I am Town Fruit Vendor. I'll visit <a townread that I hope won't be killed at night> to prove myself.

@Italiano: look at me I'm so town

you're at L-2 why claim what

also ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh there's a mafia fruit vendor too idk if i like that
i'ma finish my catchup and see if i still wanna vote you

[EchoVision]

someone should unvote cuz town fruit vendor is indeed possible. No way to prove it but it'd be dumb to lim someone who claims a provable power role today.

why would they unvote if he's only at l-2

and yeah it's a provable "power role" but it's alignment is not provable

[EchoVision]

can't fruit vendors be scum?

If mafia fruit vendor is vending, then they’re not killing, right? That’s how games work outside of newbie, right?

multitasking is enabled, it's in like post 3

[EchoVision]

yall are gonna get a low effort joyed this game, sorry
I looked through the list and I saw that there wasn't a mafia/antitown king, all i saw was a 1shot kingmaker. So I'm gonna be upfront so if we have a king they don't kill themselves: this game I rolled hero.
Probably gonna be more like a vt but whatever.

This seems like a town claim to me considering there is no pressure on plus

I’m thinking so. I wonder what Noraa and Echo think? They said they know him.

yeah there's no reason for scum plus to claim something weird like this

that being said i do expect plus to make it late game now because his role doesn't do anything without a kingmaker and he's said himself that he's going to be "low-effort"

[EchoVision]

Echo you seem quiet this game, what's on your mind

yeah i've been slowly seeing my way off of this site
plus i was depressed because my bills lost today so i took a long nap

[EchoVision]

Is it useful to confirm the role when it could be scum aligned?

There's all this talk about could be scum.

We have him confirm. It's one day. Then we know that he's screwed if he's ever the last scum on his team.

even if multitasking wasn't a thing wouldn't he have to be the very last scum standing in the entirety of the game if multiball too
cause we don't know what fac killed who as far as i know

idk if ranny does flip red i don't like titus and noraa defending him on a useless claim

[MURDERCAT]

yeah i've been slowly seeing my way off of this site

That's sad, come back for marathons at least

[MURDERCAT]

if ranny does flip red i don't like titus and noraa defending him on a useless claim

Worse for titus imo

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'd rather see someone defend someone on something "useless" than have someone be policy elimed because they're "useless".

[Primate]

I'm here.

I think murdercats introduction to the game has been good and is fairly townie.

I don't think NPOM is scummy, just unhelpful. I think expecting him to be cleared via role based stuff is too hopeful.

Shelly replacing out is annoying. I don't think it's NAI but I'm going to treat it as if it is for meta reasons. ItalianoVD's introduction to the game is null.

Iconeum's intro posts are scummy but it's kind of a shit situation where it's kind of always going to seem that way.

I still think Herta is scummy and I don't understand townreads there.

When I first started rereading I was getting scumvibes from redcardinal but I don't have them anymore, actually her content is fine.

IAMAU is giving off good player vibes and I have a massive null on that slot.

I think Primate might be an anti-town role playing in a pro town way, which is why everyone seems to be vibing with him. As a matter of fact if I had to guess I’d say there are multiple anti-town roles posing as pro town right now.

You're wrong about me, but I think this is the right idea. I'm not saying anything the protown players or anything, but scumhunting isn't necessarily the tell it would be in other games, I think you need to be looking for other things.

Ranny's claim isn't great. I don't think you claim fruit vendor d1 unless you are one, but that doesn't mean much. I think the lack of knowledge about multitasking is probably sincere and means that if they're scum there's probably another mafia out there.

I think Ranny flipping scum is good for Titus, honestly. That said, I don't really get why Titus's read on Ranny changed. But I don't get why titus as scum with ranny would change the wagon there, and I don't get why Titus as scum not with ranny would give up on it there. The obvious read here is that she genuinely thinks Shelly is scum and that's the reason to switch, and I think that shows pro-town motive.

yall are gonna get a low effort joyed this game, sorry
I looked through the list and I saw that there wasn't a mafia/antitown king, all i saw was a 1shot kingmaker. So I'm gonna be upfront so if we have a king they don't kill themselves: this game I rolled hero.
Probably gonna be more like a vt but whatever.

This seems like a town claim to me considering there is no pressure on plus

Yes.

Unvote

I think Ranny is a fine enough vote today. He's probably my top scumread too.

[Iconeum]

That's an awfully big post to not make much conclusions in, Primate

A rep out isn't NAI but you'll regard it as such nontheless because META?
Generic statement about Herta
'Redcardinal was scummy but isn't anymore'
'IAAUN good vibes' into a null read?

What about the vendor claim do you consider bad? You said it yourself, it's a proveable action so the claim is probably legit.
You came to that conclusion. So why do you jump to a scumread on someone who claimed their role while they were on L-1 (not actually, but they believed they were which is what counts)

[Iconeum]

VOTE: primate

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Rannygazoo

naked vote on NPOM in the midst of discussion surrounding his claim is scummy. explain yourself.

Agree.

VOTE: Rannygazoo

The deck has a few interesting quirks in the kind of setups it comes out with, it's worth looking at the role list and thinking what implications that has on the kind of scum arrangements you're likely to see in a game.

is the scumread literally just this?

[Primate]

That's an awfully big post to not make much conclusions in, Primate

A rep out isn't NAI but you'll regard it as such nontheless because META?
Generic statement about Herta
'Redcardinal was scummy but isn't anymore'
'IAAUN good vibes' into a null read?

What about the vendor claim do you consider bad? You said it yourself, it's a proveable action so the claim is probably legit.
You came to that conclusion. So why do you jump to a scumread on someone who claimed their role while they were on L-1 (not actually, but they believed they were which is what counts)

Yeah, that's the nature of catchup posts. I'm not going to try and pull some contrarian take or case out my ass just to build towncred when I don't think the current elim targets are town.

If replacing out can be a towntell that encourages players to replace out of games. You need to treat it as NAI to stop players being rewarded for dropping out of games. You can use it to factor in your internal decisions obviously but it shouldn't be mentioned in thread.
'IAAUN good vibes' is straight up misreading from you here. I said "good player" vibes. As in "he is a good player", and its harder to get reads out of him. I don't know who is considered a good player now, but it's like how a scumtell from, say, glork, is worth a lot more than a scumtell from, say, vyper. Username is clearly a decent player, so whilst I would normally townread the posts he's making, in this context, I'm going to treat those townreads as less valuable.
My Redcardinal read specifically is a bit off and I need to do better there, I currently lean town on that slot, but I've gone back and forth a few times and could do with actually having confidence in my read there.

The fruit vendor claim is mediocre because it's a scum role. It doesn't mean anything. It's provable, yes, but if they do prove it all we know is that he now has a 50% chance of being scum.
And it's misrep to say I'm jumping to a scumread on Ranny. I've had a scumread on ranny since the beginning of the day and have mentioned it since. I've not been posting much and through most the day I've preferred the Herta elim so I'm not going to say I've been key on his wagon or anything but it's absolutely not out of nowhere.

[Iconeum]

that is indeed a full misinterpretation on my end

i don't get how you come to a scum role with his claim, as it's equally likely to come from town and scum?

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:
fair enough

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: primate

Wow this is very not good

[MURDERCAT]

The thing about ranny is that Mafia fruit vendor would probably just fake claim some % of the time right?

[MURDERCAT]

Like just glancing at the list you could say yup I'm a mason who's alone or something like that

[MURDERCAT]

Maybe ranny is alone scum who didn't know about multitasking and doesn't have a partner to help come up with a fake claim? That's most unlikely for Mafia though as there's the most Mafia roles. Maybe ranny panicked and claimed before the partner could say anything but I feel like you already have a claim plan on place at that point. I don't know it feels like ranny is scummy but the wagon still doesn't feel right to me