Open 796: Haunted Village Game Over

[Infinity 324]

Besides you, egotisi is the best vote I think, I’m hoping exorcists will be on board as well

[Noraa]

why the datisi slot?
I've had no problem with that slot so far and I think most of what that slot says is reasonable

[Infinity 324]

I summarized my reasons in 1112, basically I feel like they’re trying to look like they’re doing stuff but not.

[MURDERCAT]

why the datisi slot?
I've had no problem with that slot so far and I think most of what that slot says is reasonable

This is also my read on the slot, but that usually makes me feel very uneasy

[Noraa]

why's that make you feel uneasy?

[Noraa]

I summarized my reasons in 1112, basically I feel like they’re trying to look like they’re doing stuff but not.

one sec. I'll take a look at it in a bit

[MURDERCAT]

How well I can remember you doing things is a good predictor of scum IMO. Like infinity said, if there were a lot of posts that seemed reasonable at the time but I can't remember anything you actually did maybe they were just be busy posts and not real scum hunting. But I'm not sure if that works as well for a hydra.

[egotisi]

Do you think it's likely that Murdercat ISO'd me, and decided he'd quite like to have someone to target to look like he was scumhunting and just tried to construe everything I did as being scummy, when in fact it wasn't?

I think Murdercat is taking posts out of thread context. His answer to *liking* BMs post and then scumreading him is intriguing. Posts in ISO context read very different, and BM's progression on Taylor feels a lot more natural than he cased. I think his post came from a mindset of scumreading first, and then casing second.

VOTE: Murdercat

-ego

[Infinity 324]

How well I can remember you doing things is a good predictor of scum IMO. Like infinity said, if there were a lot of posts that seemed reasonable at the time but I can't remember anything you actually did maybe they were just be busy posts and not real scum hunting. But I'm not sure if that works as well for a hydra.

Why do you think it’s different for hydras?

Do you think it's likely that Murdercat ISO'd me, and decided he'd quite like to have someone to target to look like he was scumhunting and just tried to construe everything I did as being scummy, when in fact it wasn't?

I think Murdercat is taking posts out of thread context. His answer to *liking* BMs post and then scumreading him is intriguing. Posts in ISO context read very different, and BM's progression on Taylor feels a lot more natural than he cased. I think his post came from a mindset of scumreading first, and then casing second.

VOTE: Murdercat

-ego

Why does taking posts out of context mean it’s scummy here? ISOing someone, by its nature, removes the posts from context.

[egotisi]

Why does taking posts out of context mean it’s scummy here? ISOing someone, by its nature, removes the posts from context.

Because it changes the meaning? Scum wants to twist words and make someone easier to attack. Murder took posts that were pages apart and cased them as an overall progression on someone.

Like, he called BM shading us inconsistent with the Taylor read, when it had nothing to do with it.

-ego

[MURDERCAT]

Why do you think it’s different for hydras?

Hydras I think tend to be more lurky with catch up posts and the heads might also disagree. So I think it's just harder to keep track of where they are at

[MURDERCAT]

Like, he called BM shading us inconsistent with the Taylor read, when it had nothing to do with it.

The point was that BM said to flip you despite the strong read on taylor

[Infinity 324]

Why does taking posts out of context mean it’s scummy here? ISOing someone, by its nature, removes the posts from context.

Because it changes the meaning? Scum wants to twist words and make someone easier to attack. Murder took posts that were pages apart and cased them as an overall progression on someone.

Like, he called BM shading us inconsistent with the Taylor read, when it had nothing to do with it.

-ego

I’m wondering why you think it’s unlikely that town!murder built his case off of an ISO, not remembering the original context the posts were written in, and took the posts out of context by accident. Not saying that’s what happened, but it’s a possibility you don’t seem to consider.

[Jewel Barons]

Gamma - who are your top 2 scumreads?

Plus is definitely my top scumread but I can’t really say what my second strongest is rn. I’ve felt like MCat, Noraa, and you have been scummy at times.

-GAMMA

that's news to me
why am i your top scumread?

mostly because I've felt like I've seen truly scummy things from you but on my other reads listed there I'm not sure about the pings I've gotten.

[Jewel Barons]

he also fails to provide reasons for his SRs and TRs

could you go over what makes you say this again? I think Cobra raised a good point about this earlier and didn't see anything about it from you

-GAMMA

[Jewel Barons]

[egotisi, Taylor] is where I'd like to go today. Getting slight cold feet about Noraa, I guess.

The Alice-head is my favourite from the Exorcists

I like you too, Battle Mage.

—Alice

I will vote egotisi

Murdercat, not sure what you need from me. If you're not already thinking about voting me, you can decide on another elim without my input

VOTE: Egotisi

I glanced over the rest of the thread, Bm is still tunneling Taylor, tone can be either alignment, the rest of the posts in thread don't really matter. I agree that Murdercat looks like town

what do you have to say about the pressure on you?

-GAMMA

[Jewel Barons]

I'm willing to roll with something like a {me, plus, isis, infinity, gamma} town block right now I think

Wow, explain your plus, isis, and gamma reads?

why are you challenging every single one except yourself and the person who posted that townblock?

-GAMMA

[egotisi]

The point was that BM said to flip you despite the strong read on taylor

But BM had multiple scumreads. He confirmed us as "lockscum" after Datisi posted. It's just a really weird push that you stopped after it gained no traction.

Not saying that’s what happened, but it’s a possibility you don’t seem to consider.

???? Like yeah town can do scummy things. That can be an excuse for literally anything scummy. Do you know Murder's meta?

-ego

[Jewel Barons]

ofc you "don't understand" what purpose my vote has when its literally on you. But if you are hinting that you are a vanity wagon, I don't understand why you are zoning in on me since there are 6 wagons rn and u can't possibility think only mine is a vanity?

ego is still catching up, and I literally just said their vote is scummy too. Jewel Barons' vote on plus wasn't a vanity vote until you moved off it. Only yours and ego's are vanity.

except I'm pretty sure the wagon on your slot was pretty sizeable around the time Noraa voted. Why are you pushing alternative facts, especially ones that seek to make others look worse?

-GAMMA

[Infinity 324]

I'm willing to roll with something like a {me, plus, isis, infinity, gamma} town block right now I think

Wow, explain your plus, isis, and gamma reads?

why are you challenging every single one except yourself and the person who posted that townblock?

-GAMMA

Cause those are the people I wasn't sure on

???? Like yeah town can do scummy things. That can be an excuse for literally anything scummy. Do you know Murder's meta?

-ego

My argument here is that taking something out of context isn't scummy, at most it's bad play as town.

I've played one game with murder before.

[Infinity 324]

ofc you "don't understand" what purpose my vote has when its literally on you. But if you are hinting that you are a vanity wagon, I don't understand why you are zoning in on me since there are 6 wagons rn and u can't possibility think only mine is a vanity?

ego is still catching up, and I literally just said their vote is scummy too. Jewel Barons' vote on plus wasn't a vanity vote until you moved off it. Only yours and ego's are vanity.

except I'm pretty sure the wagon on your slot was pretty sizeable around the time Noraa voted. Why are you pushing alternative facts, especially ones that seek to make others look worse?

-GAMMA

Really? There wasn't a vote count for a few pages, but I'm pretty sure nora was the first vote on me.

[Jewel Barons]

you call me out for having SRs that are OMGUSy yet I don't see anything different from you.
In fact I am the first to SR the people I SRed so if anything they are the OMGUSy ones not me

This feels a little mixed up, just because you were the first out of anyone to suspect X player doesn't mean it's not OMGUS if they suspected you first.

-GAMMA

PEdit: even if Noraa was the first vote, a wagon did form on your slot, so calling it a vanity wagon now is vastly underselling how much the wagon on you mattered, I feel.

[Infinity 324]

you call me out for having SRs that are OMGUSy yet I don't see anything different from you.
In fact I am the first to SR the people I SRed so if anything they are the OMGUSy ones not me

This feels a little mixed up, just because you were the first out of anyone to suspect X player doesn't mean it's not OMGUS if they suspected you first.

-GAMMA

PEdit: even if Noraa was the first vote, a wagon did form on your slot, so calling it a vanity wagon now is vastly underselling how much the wagon on you mattered, I feel.

There was a wagon on my slot on page 7-8. I don't feel that that's relevant, I felt like nora was just finding a place to park her vote (and potentially argue later that she wasn't trying to save her skin)

[Jewel Barons]

VOTE: egotisi
While I'm a bit skeptical of Infinity's motives currently, I also think we've kinda been stuck talking about a few slots and a wagon here shakes that up a bit.

-GAMMA

[Jewel Barons]

I will say it's a bit funky Noraa was looking for a compromise that early, but wagons are wagons, I had a 5 vote wagon form on me on the first couple pages of a 13p mini normal once, and iirc it generated some interesting data, though probably not accurately interpreted data.

-GAMMA