mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[April Ludgate]

Here’s the thing, townMe isn’t going to live late anyways, because I can help confirm Plus’ actions giving us clears/guilties.

Scum have to deal with us.

Town Protectives should be on Plus.

And Titus probably realizes this and has to push me. I’ve become a giant threat to the scum team just based on my ability to obv town by play.

Could be wrong, Titus could be a puppet being used by scum, and the mastermind is elsewhere. If Titus is town, I believe you are being pocketed somewhere, but I’ll have to find out where.

Early guesses are Mastina, but i don’t wanna slide down that rabbit hole just yet

Town protectives if any shouldn’t take directions directly from anyone except maybe Norwegian. Much as I do town read you it is a read.

There’s a lot of claims out there to be sorted but right now we have de facto yours as the only proven one.

We need to see shelly respond then we can see if another although gut says Plus is truthtelling.

It’s waaay too early to be planning forward when the game doesn’t know which way is up.

I disagree. This is how you catch scum off guard and link up with other townies.

Plus and I linked up, as town/town here, which I think they are town here, so that’s the world I think we’re living in, it makes 100% sense considering we are both claimed.

So @Plus - before Day ends, we should figure out who we target to pigeon hole scum a bit.

Protectives should be on Plus.

@Math - Here’s the thing, at the moment, this is the best use of what we know. What we don’t know doesn’t necessarily matter in regards to that because if new information comes out that is a better use, we update.

We should be updating and reanalyzing ourselves every time new info is brought into the game.

I can agree with the last part but it’s imho poor form to assign protectives before exe is decided

Only on a mechanical level, not a sociological level.

Look at this way, no matter what, now scum are going to think about it. It adds another layer that they have to worry about. Like what if the Protectives someone who would listen to April here?

There’s always different ways to look at how certain things are used.

I’m definitely a performer type.

Like, my playstyle is essentially an Evil Puppet Master Jester type, clown suit and all, I do one thing while really doing another, if that makes sense.

Makes sense. Although with them having a loyal/disloyal modifier it kind of doesn’t.

Assume they are town and loyal and say they are visiting a scum. They get healed by a protective and live.

It becomes a false inno. This does feel a bit puppet mastery and I tend to play that way as town and scum in different ways. By introducing protectives on them you’re invalidating their check.

Right now we have a lot of shit flying around and having it make sense would be good.

Plus Loyal targets Player Y
I motion detector Player 1.

If Player Y is scum, Plus’s role won’t go through, and I can possibly get a “no motion detected”

However, scum can counter this because they can have that player make the kill, if anything, but it forces that player into an action, which is at minimum, beneficial.

[April Ludgate]

I just town read Taylor and MM out of the white names. The rest I don’t have any real connection with this game

[April Ludgate]

Being wrong is fine, not reevaluating from being wrong or not knowing the possibility you could be wrong is not.

Scum actively do stuff to make people read them incorrectly, that’s just part of the game. Hits will be taken.

[April Ludgate]

Plus Loyal targets Player Y
I motion detector Player 1.

If Player Y is scum, Plus’s role won’t go through, and I can possibly get a “no motion detected”

However, scum can counter this because they can have that player make the kill, if anything, but it forces that player into an action, which is at minimum, beneficial.

To follow up, this works if Plus is disloyal too.

Plus Disloyal targets Y.
April Targets Y.

Plus role won't go through on town. Thus April detects no action unless scum also target the slot.
Plus role goes through on scum, forcing that scum to claim an action other than an NK.

Is anyone else finding this brother/sister/april analysis to be unreadable

I think there’s actually some pretty good stuff in there that actually point towards the 3 of us most likely all being town.

It’s just town bickering at each other about extremely specific lines of thinking.

[April Ludgate]

@Math - I’m not missing it, I just don’t believe that’s always the case in regards to it being anti town. I’m aware people perceive it as anti-town, but if someone thinks townMe’s going to do something that inherently goes against chances with no possible reward making it worth the trouble? Nah.

Different working threads, different traps to put out. I tend to use charisma however as a main part of playstyle, as it counters different types of scum players.

[April Ludgate]

Plus and I linked up, as town/town here, which I think they are town here, so that’s the world I think we’re living in, it makes 100% sense considering we are both claimed.

aww yeah
I actually wanted to townblock with you this game and I do think April is town

I’m soul reading you so much right now.

I don’t think anything’s gonna change that this game.

[April Ludgate]

what are the odds A50 is a cult leader?

0%

I trust Something’s analysis on this.

Only he is capable of truly locking that “what if” out because Rulesets.

it was also mod confirmed there aren't alignment changes this game
echo was obvtown to me so SS is starting with me townreading them

Yeah, I was joking. I have a tendency to straight face state stuff like that that people think I need clarifying on, but I’m just making a remark. I usually don’t even let people know at this point, it just is what it is. It happens in person too.

It makes for comedic banter in person.

[April Ludgate]

Why can’t we know your 3p wincon if you’re with us?

Cant expect us to trust you if you can’t share the trust back.

[April Ludgate]

@Math - I’m not missing it, I just don’t believe that’s always the case in regards to it being anti town. I’m aware people perceive it as anti-town, but if someone thinks townMe’s going to do something that inherently goes against chances with no possible reward making it worth the trouble? Nah.

Different working threads, different traps to put out. I tend to use charisma however as a main part of playstyle, as it counters different types of scum players.

I get you’re saying you’re awesome and you have a plan April. Until I understand it I can’t discuss it and if what I have seen is -EV so I can’t in good faith agree. It might be good. I just don’t know jack. I think this is circles. You’re going to be -EV and I can’t stop that but I really think it’s stupid.

It could be a skill thing.

People try it untrained, which, I mean, you gotta train somehow.

I would actually say Titus is rather gambity as well.
Something Smart is a strong gambiter.

I use mystery, intrigue, and false suspicion to my advantage because I got the gift of gab to talk myself out of it if need be.

Just gotta use what’s good for you. You aren’t gonna have a Charizard shooting a Hydro Pump.

[April Ludgate]

It probably is just them in a neighborhood trying to protect themselves a few days.

It probably means Mastina convinced Titus to think it’s a good idea to mason claim, but probably in a way where Titus thinks they came up with it, and they might have, but it feels very Mastina fueled onto Titus town. Especially after that Menalque death. Menalque death then Titus coming after me, that’s a strong scum play by Mastina. Her and I are gonna be serving it out on the tennis courts back and forth this game if she’s scum. So that’s where tinfoil me’s at right now.

I don’t think they’re masons.

[April Ludgate]

It’s just ‘a’ plan. I think end of the day, any ideas we came up with can be brought up again, and talked over at the end of the day. I’m happy to just wait it out, wait for people to show up to the party for a bit. Wait to see if anything else comes up

[April Ludgate]

I seriously do not believe there’s 6 mason-likes in this game.

You 3rd parties are gonna need to claim wincons for us townies to trust you here.

Like, I get you guys got your own thing going on, but that’s gonna come secondary to finding scum and other townies

[April Ludgate]

Then you have gained more trust than the others, now haven’t you?

[April Ludgate]

So Shelly’s reasoning on me is reimagining history, wondering if anyone else has issues like that on the reads list.

I didn’t push Menalque as scum anywhere.

[April Ludgate]

Is Shelly an alt?

[April Ludgate]

Also their echo vision “hostility towards April”

I don’t remember that at all either.

Plus likely just got a guilty on Shelly.

[April Ludgate]

That’s what I’m saying.

[April Ludgate]

I’m tearing them down before they get any wiggle room.

If Plus is Loyal with a No Result or action unsuccessful, that’s a guilty in my books.

They aren’t claiming ascetic, which i won’t believe here anyways, because of Jjh claim.

Jjh claim early makes sense coming from a town Jjh here. It could be a scum play, but that shouldn’t ever be the reason they get the chop. It can be a supplementary reason later if there are more, but right now, I’m happy leaning town for it.

[April Ludgate]

I mean tbf this is one case where revisionism/misunderstanding is understandable. She caught up on >3000 posts and apparently doesn’t even know who the NKs were

It’s possibly multiple, is my point.

Which is fabrication or guided by scum partners indicative.

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: Shelly

[April Ludgate]

Fade in Shelly or the Third Party grouping

[April Ludgate]

Actually, I’d be okay with the Vig claiming. No Vig means we’re dealing with more problems than we got.

Listen up, campers

If there is no Vig, we’re confirmed multiball/living with a SK.

If a Vig claims, I’m much more likely to believe in Titus and co.

[April Ludgate]

We’d also find out who scum shot through it.

[April Ludgate]

Actually if we all claim then I'll be able to know the setup so I think we should all claim

You heard it hear, folks.

They want it, so I’ll push it.

Mass claim time. Day 2 mass claim always the best.

[April Ludgate]

Here * fuck this ipad

[April Ludgate]

Yep. I’m dead serious. Mass claim. Day 2. Let’s do it now, every slot.

[April Ludgate]

Seeing how well tones coming across here. Don’t mind me, experimental test.

[April Ludgate]

Yeah, but you were mocking a mock post, so it just made you come off like you weren’t mocking to them

[April Ludgate]

Titus turning onto me when she has definitive proof of my role seeing her, and me having no reason to claim there is off too

A md isn't necessarily town so proof of your role isn't the AI thing you are claiming it is.

Irrelevant. I already stated this. All that’s proven, or at least more likely to be true, for me to be scum, i took the deep guess on that. It’s not that deep, but it’s certifiably enough for Titus to be considered overreacting.

You guys are 3rd party claiming, we can go after you all we want. That’s on you guys to get us to trust you.

[April Ludgate]

I trust Something’s analysis on this.

it's not even analysis lol, it's reading the mod posts

My dry humor goes right over everyone’s head through text.

[April Ludgate]

You guys are 3rd party claiming, we can go after you all we want.

but if you are town you shouldn't be. When we lynched the rest of the kings army and the game is still ongoing then we can talk about lynching between our groups but if a50 is telling the truth then it won't.

I disagree, it just let’s you 3 non townies run the game. I’m not high key pushing for your fade or anything, but i do believe you guys should be harnessed.

A50 doesn’t know your alignment, so that doesn’t hold weight.

[April Ludgate]

Yeah, but you were mocking a mock post, so it just made you come off like you weren’t mocking to them

so youre saying your massclaim suggestion was sarcastic?

Yes, but had people started claiming, I’d have been okay with it, kinda thing.

[April Ludgate]

my full role is odd night disloyal alignment cop inventor.
on odd nights i can target someone. if they aren't town they become a cop
this makes a lot of sense with the "town but not town" mason. I wish they would have revealed this day 1 but whatevs.

This role and 6 masons, wtf, no.

Also, if Shelly is scum here who received the cop invention, they would know not to say it.

You and I should target the same player.

[April Ludgate]

Mastina is not town, and that is confirmed by Titus and the gang. Never listen to 3p who say they are town aligned without saying their wincon because they are going to do what they have to do to win.

I am town, and I am here for the great people of the Mystery Box!

[April Ludgate]

is april flipping scum? how confident are you?

95% confident
The made up sole read on Gamma I believe it's actually Chemist who posted that.
The fact April's disappeared
The fact April went after the 3ps so aggressively
The fact April was a non-entity on the wagons d1 minus the shelly wagon
The fact April tried to push a lynch on Shelly pre-"clear" without arguing there was a flaw in the clearing mechanism
The fact April allegedly motion detected me, while claiming to have me as town. Yet, she comes in supposing her motion detect is a guilty rather than scum visiting me. She investigated a townread over a scumread like mastina.
The fact April wanted a townread based on her detecting motion.
The fact April egged on the cultist bullshit.
The fact April crapped on my VCA but never puts forth any army reads of her own.
The fact mastina and I agree on this read.

The only concern I have is how easy it is.

Most of these are reasons to town read me or make no sense.

You and Mastina agreeing, I called that out before she came i , and stated I think Mastina’s behind it all, and you followed through with it.

I “allegedly” MD’d a proven movement, thank you very much.

Why wouldn’t scum me have put reads after that? That means I’m looking at it from a direct POV and not using outside hints to effect it.

You guys are NOT town.

You don’t get to lead town.

[April Ludgate]

I will stand by my people.

Bell, Math, Taylor, Mage, and anyone else who would like bar you being okay getting Third Degree BOON’d prior to entry.

I will not be pulling the wool over your eye, I say we pull over the wool to the scum team, huzzah!

The 3rd party are trying to control the game. Do not let them.

[April Ludgate]

Plus is also my next level, sits on the chair next to me level.

[April Ludgate]

And I was gone for less than a day, what disappearing are you talking about

[April Ludgate]

Cause she's got that Flavoh Fevah~
Mmm Mmm, got that Flavoh Fevah~

Eyy, they know what’s up.


Also, DDL’s also a misfade.

[April Ludgate]

Plus Loyal targets Player Y
I motion detector Player 1.
If Player Y is scum, Plus’s role won’t go through, and I can possibly get a “no motion detected”
However, scum can counter this because they can have that player make the kill, if anything, but it forces that player into an action, which is at minimum, beneficial.

To follow up, this works if Plus is disloyal too.

Plus Disloyal targets Y.
April Targets Y.

Plus role won't go through on town. Thus April detects no action unless scum also target the slot.
Plus role goes through on scum, forcing that scum to claim an action other than an NK.

The problem with this is that it relies on April being town and not lying through his ass about his results, when in fact he is scum and he has pulled this

exact

claim out as scum before. EXACTLY this strat, where he or a scumbuddy at his behest (forget which) claimed motion detector (falsely so) to try and synergize with a town loyal/disloyal role (forget which).

Don't remember which game he pulled this in, but he 100% has done it before and would and did do it again.

Post where I’ve done this exact same claim before because at the present, I think this is a misrep.

[April Ludgate]

Cause she's got that Flavoh Fevah~
Mmm Mmm, got that Flavoh Fevah~

Eyy, they know what’s up.


Also, DDL’s also a misfade.

What’s a misfade?

I’ve been saying Fade for the L word

[April Ludgate]

@Mathblade - you are not wrong to town read me. Titus and Mastina need to get rid of me here because I am their biggest threat of them gaining momentum.

Please trust your read.

[April Ludgate]

I need to see what Mastina thinks given Titus’s hard defense.

Titus is locktown;
April Ludgate is fakeclaiming an implied guilty result on Titus to try and swing a lynch onto her, but which there is zero backdraw to having made, because if Titus were to have a visiting role or if Titus were to have been visited, then April's fakeclaim wouldn't cause April to be strung up. A zero-risk, high-reward scum gambit of a fakeclaim, but one which is entirely fake.

Completely incorrect.

I specifically stated it wasn’t a guilty because it’s not.

I also gain absolutely nothing from my claim as scum because you of all people should know I go to confirm myself as town with my claims and create a mech.

Motion Detector is a crap scum fake claim out of nowhere like that, and I don’t believe I have made this fake claim before.

Prove me wrong if otherwise, it’s possible.

I think I claimed it as town. Or I was a scum MD but didn’t claim it.

I don’t believe I’ve ever claimed MD as scum before, and it didn’t change here

[April Ludgate]

The 3rd party are trying to control the game. Do not let them.

Yes because it worked so poorly yesterday

I thought Menalque pushed it through?

I don’t remember the 3rd party pushing yesterday, so what’s this mean?

[April Ludgate]

My guess is that the 3rd parties can win with town, but they’re more against the scum team than with the town, if that makes sense.

The way they are choosing to push it is just so they can power tunnel their wincon, which they aren’t even doing a great job of because I’m town.

[April Ludgate]

I literally called out Mastina’s exact mindset was to set me up for today.

Fade me Day 4 if you still think that I’m scum, don’t fucking fade me day 2. That’s trash

[April Ludgate]

From a lying 3rd party group too

[April Ludgate]

There is literally zero roles that ever “imply Motion Detector April” scum here.

And Mastina lied about me doing it before because frankly, I can’t think of a single time I have claimed Motion Detector as scum fake claim.

I have claimed it multiple times as town.

[April Ludgate]

The gamestate is your team is claiming a guilty on April.

If you and Mastina wish to rescind that guilty it changes the gamestate but a rescinded guilty isn’t just scumclaiming

So no there is literally no read I can push because reads can not override a guilty claim.

mastina and I disagree on the strength of the setup spec. I have an independent SR of April. It's not a guilty.

Mastina is claiming a guilty then.

You’re a package deal with Mastina per your claim.

Unless she rescinds her claim it’s a guilty.

She said she has info making April scum. That’s called a guilty. It’s not a read it’s a guilty.

That's a read, based off info.

A guilty is different.

Hahahahaha funny.

That’s like saying a cop getting a red on someone is not a guilty it’s a read based off info.

You won’t say what the info is, but say April is lock scum.

That’s called a guilty.

We have no action that dictates April as scum 100%. We don't have a cop guilty.

We just have info suggesting she is and are pushing it.

Name the action.

[April Ludgate]

1: people sheeping this trash have no sense of analysis skills or logic.

2: Mastina been lying, and Titus claimed a list of my townie traits as scum traits.

3: Name one fucking thing that would imply “Motion Detect claim” WHICH GOT AN ACCURATE INVESTIGATION can ever in any world possibly indicate scum ever.

They are fucking lying and people who sheeped it without any proof are just bad/scum.

[April Ludgate]

Also, you surface levels are literally sheeping claimed 3rd parties.

And I am fucking town.

[April Ludgate]

april i mostly have you as scum because you claimed to have a soulread on gamma being town

gamma was not town

what exactly gave you that read on gamma?

I’m just wrong!

I don’t defend my teammates aimlessly like that anymore because that’s how I lose.

I’ve been wrong on Gamma’s alignment like the past 4 times I’ve played with him.

[April Ludgate]

I just didn’t want Gamma, my bud (general sense, not in game), killed off Day 1.

@Chemist - you’ve literally been scum with me, what kind of shit scum claim is Motion Detector after the Day 1 I had.

[April Ludgate]

Like seriously, hold up.

I don’t ever fucking claim Motion Detector in a game where I was likely to get pushed due to my Day 1.

Ever.

I claim as scum to keep myself alive, or to possibly confirm myself or others.

Motion Detector doesn’t have any of that.

I am Mastina’s biggest threat especially because I recently played with her scum game.

Even if she is just 3rd party not scum who can win with town, this is fucking trash because she’s just doing it because I can halt her momentum.

You NEED to hold players accountable. She hasn’t claimed crap. All she said is “I have info that implies them scum”

Yeah, fucking right.

I KNOW I’m town. And even besides that, they aren’t saying anything, and surface level players are gonna sheep because they can’t comprehend basic plays.

[April Ludgate]

They’re literally playing exactly as I said they would be playing today.

And, let me say this right now.

Morning Mage, no matter what, was completely right to group Titus and Mastina like they did.

You guys are literally grouped. He sensed it.

That’s how you can tell they are full of crap. It is completely okay for Morning Mage to have grouped Mastina and Titus all in one, and I agreed with Morning Mage prior to their claim.

Like normally, I don’t even mind getting scum read, but this is just idiotic, and the people sheeping that trash push really need to up their game.

If anyone ever thinks this comes from ScumMe rather than TownMe, then you straight up clearly don’t know me.

[April Ludgate]

A50 claims mason Miller like every game, and Mastina confirms the agreeance of Masons every game.

I was scum in Krazy Anime U pick and Elsa and her claimed masons, but Elsa was my partner, so I knew everything going on in Mastina’s play there.

It doesn’t make her scum by any means, but she goes along with Mason claims even if she thinks their fake.

I like that, though, as a playstyle trait.

I partially agree. I don't believe in pushing mason claims, but I do believe in vetting them. Trust but verify.

Titus also claimed they believe in Vetting mason claims.

They are similar, why the hell would we not vet?

[April Ludgate]

i feel pretty confident about scum in my Titus-Menalque-Mastina pool.

Morning Mage got targeted for this.

This is totally acceptable CONSIDERING MASTINA AND TITUS ARE ACTUALLY GROUPED TOGETHER.

Titus attacked Morning Mage like they had zero sense of anything in fucking TWILIGHT.

Morning Mage had all the right in the world to push this, and I defended this yesterday, and you guys actually end up being grouped together?

Hell no. We were fucking right to see the possible groupings there, and that’s exactly why I targeted Titus.

[April Ludgate]

Oh god, meta talk. Kill it with fire.

Get the hell out of here.

They fucking literally used a meta case for me, so before you go trash shading, catch up.

[April Ludgate]

Titus it’s probably not worth it interacting with openwolfing scum

I mean, I’m aware of the hypocrisy

It’s just seeing you do it too is making me realise it’s not worth it

Fair enough. I am not 100% on MM scum, but I am sure enough where I'd vote if others did. I was hoping I could see a glimpse of town BM but :/

This is why the Titus group is untrustworthy. MM was literally reading a group association with them. Mastina/Titus is an actual pairing, so he is completely okay reading here, but Titus chooses to attack MM instead.

Yeah, right.

[April Ludgate]

@Mathblade - you are not wrong to town read me. Titus and Mastina need to get rid of me here because I am their biggest threat of them gaining momentum.

Please trust your read.

I don’t know what you’re saying this for.

Pretty sure I picked up what you’re putting down.

Kinda not my place to say though I think.

yo can we townblock with you both?

April-Math-Morning. Hell, maybe we can be 3p masons too?

PlusJoyed can come too.

I would’ve invited Taylor, but they’re being surface level.

And don’t get me wrong, I’ve been surface level from time to time, I am not here.

[April Ludgate]

@Math - I’m saying I town read Taylor.

@DDL - I feel like you’ve seen scum me. This is not it. This is obnoxious town me, and Mastina is pushing Titus to chop away at me, exactly like I said she would.

PEdit:
You just raised yourself from lean town to likely town. Damn. Ahead of me on the Unvote. Good stuff.

[April Ludgate]

@SS - I’m reaching out to you here. I need a slingshot, or I need to slingshot.

[April Ludgate]

Like Mastina claimed imply guilty but there’s literally nothing that they could have that would imply guilty which is why they didn’t claim that part.

Also, THEY ARE NOT TOWN SO THERES LITERALLY NOTHING THAT WOULD IMPLY GUILTY ON ME, A TOWNIE

My scum fake claims are much more convoluted than “Motion Detector”. Like...come on.

[April Ludgate]

hey tbf your scum game is very obnoxious as well

True, but a much different type of obnoxious.

[April Ludgate]

They said I disappeared when I hadn’t even been gone a full 24 hours.

[April Ludgate]

Titus tried questioning why I would ever target her, but I spent the entire twilight defending MM against pushing Titus-Mastina-Menalque, something that Mage was completely in the right to push considering THEY ARE ACTUALLY A PAIR, so Titus pushed Mornning Mage as “flailing” when he was pushing an accurate hidden pairing.

I even stated I saw it as well.

Titus also said that I should target Super Bowl, and I responded that’s who I planned on checking, so I decided to check Titus because I didn’t like the way they were interacting in regards to MM.

That wasn’t even a risky move, which everyone here knows I would make a risky move and change targets as town.

So that’s yet another one of Titus’ giant posts that don’t make sense.

[April Ludgate]

@SS - I’m reaching out to you here. I need a slingshot, or I need to slingshot.

I'm not going to accept mastina's vague claims, for sure. I'm not convinced you're town per se, but I'm leaning that way.

I don’t need free town reads. I’ll pay for them just like everyone else.

[April Ludgate]

i cant imagine anyone that eager to vca given that they are scum

Yeah, it’s a gimmick. She has to do it both alignments, or she does it as scum because she does it as town, kinda thing.

It was just not good, her VCA, and usually I think she does fine with VCA.

Results were clunky and biased.

[April Ludgate]

80 percent of totus posts dont make sense when she is town

That’s part of it.

I actually think her posts do make sense here, they’re just not pushing a town agenda.

And she’s confirmed not town, man. She claimed 3rd party.

[April Ludgate]

her neighborizing a50 checks out, so objectively its less likely that she's scum right

I motion detect claimed them first.

As scum, how the hell would I know that?!!

So for them to believe I am scum, they have to believe my MD claim is true still, which means Mastina’s push of it being a fake claim is even more flawed.

[April Ludgate]

you think we have 2 town mason blocks, which can recruit each other and form a superbloc of conftowns? yeah right...

@SS - Something is extremely off here.

What do you think about my comments on Morning Mage pushing Titus-Menal-Mastina, and Titus pushing Morning Mage like the sheer thought of that is ridiculous, when Mastina and Titus were a legit pairing?

[April Ludgate]

I think Norwegian got confirmed not Gamma’s alignment, if I read it correctly, but yeah.

[April Ludgate]

The holdup I have with Mastina/Titus is I feel they’re just trying to powerball me because I’m the one that’ll stand up against them.

It’s essentially the same thing as claiming a fake guilty on someone.

I even stated Day 1 Mastina was gonna do this.

[April Ludgate]

Titus tried questioning why I would ever target her, but I spent the entire twilight defending MM against pushing Titus-Mastina-Menalque, something that Mage was completely in the right to push considering THEY ARE ACTUALLY A PAIR, so Titus pushed Mornning Mage as “flailing” when he was pushing an accurate hidden pairing.

I even stated I saw it as well.

Titus also said that I should target Super Bowl, and I responded that’s who I planned on checking, so I decided to check Titus because I didn’t like the way they were interacting in regards to MM.

That wasn’t even a risky move, which everyone here knows I would make a risky move and change targets as town.

So that’s yet another one of Titus’ giant posts that don’t make sense.

I wrote it out here, but the last pages of Twilight Day 1 is where it’s at

[April Ludgate]

The holdup I have with Mastina/Titus is I feel they’re just trying to powerball me because I’m the one that’ll stand up against them.

It’s essentially the same thing as claiming a fake guilty on someone.

I even stated Day 1 Mastina was gonna do this.

i mean why don't you just wait a little and see if she produces the 95 caliber smoking gun

It doesn’t matter what she says, I’m still town.

[April Ludgate]

Anyone watch Falling Skies?

Mastina and co are the Volm for this game. They don’t care about the human town life.

[April Ludgate]

Nah, Diamond’s just a surface level player.

I have multiple game solves over the past 7 years on site.

I really don’t give a single fuck what people think about flailing because this is town flailing, which you have already labeled as “bad town”, which proves that I am able to show people that I am town.

You just don’t have the complex thinking abilities to see that, though, it seems

[April Ludgate]

And you wanna fucking talk about awful?

This fucking game, you included, is acting like a wagon from claimed 3rd party is bad?

Hell fucking yeah, if they’re supposed to fucking help the town, and win with us, why are they ignoring basic logic like Morning Mage legit finding a Titus-Mastina pairing because they are, or me legit Detecting Motion on Titus because she did have motion.

These aren’t fucking townies, get over your surface level self, Diamond.

Be better

[April Ludgate]

Nah, Diamond’s just a surface level player.

I have multiple game solves over the past 7 years on site.

I really don’t give a single fuck what people think about flailing because this is town flailing, which you have already labeled as “bad town”, which proves that I am able to show people that I am town.

You just don’t have the complex thinking abilities to see that, though, it seems

I mean, that's not you doing anything. That's just my personal belief that "pushing someone you want executed is bad sport" because it more often than not gets people who are just bad at taking pressure.

I still think that you're scum because of everything else

around

your slot. Not just your reaction being awful.

Then you’re just a surface level thinking. Nothing else to it. Vote with the fake guilty

[April Ludgate]

I couldn’t decide between calling them a surface level thinker and saying they’re surface level thinking, so i mixed the 2

[April Ludgate]

I am the greatest VI of all time.

I still have people believe I’m village idiot even with my scum record and town track record of game solving.

[April Ludgate]

Not on me,
I’ve been truthful about everything in this game.

Just because you can’t comprehend it, doesn’t mean it’s been bad.

[April Ludgate]

Learn to adapt and reevaluate. Otherwise, you’ll just stay a weakling saibaman the rest of your mafia career

[April Ludgate]

April's displayed TMI in the same way Gamma did, faked a no-risk high-reward investigation on Titus, claims a role I have setup reasons to believe isn't in the game while thinking it is a role that would fit in the game, and uses a strategy which I am pretty sure he used before, of trying to claim a motion detector role in a game with a town (dis)loyal role.

hmm flavor leaf is right this does does not check out

Morning Mage and I are part of the townie. And Titus and Mastina are the alien invaders who come to us and try to act like they’re gods and they know what’s best for us, but they’re eating fancy meals and we’re left with the bread scraps!!!

They tell us what’s good for us, but they lock us behind walls!

We are the townies, don’t let them speak for you any longer!

I wanna hear you, I wanna hear the townies speak! I may be a bit rough around the edges, but at least you know that I’m coming from the same place as you.

[April Ludgate]

Mastina also played a scum game with me where not only did I come up with my own claim, I also gave our partner Day 1 a convoluted fake claim that assisted my eventual claim, so Day 2 I BUSSED and fake claimed a guilty on my partner.

Motion Detecter has no strong holds, no strong grounds in the game. This is not a fake claim that I use.

On top of that, they pushed me as fake claiming Titus, but Titus had a confirmed motion, which I explained why Titus was my target. They tried to make me target Super Bowl, and they were going against Morning Mage, and I didn’t like it.

Mastina is fluffing the game up because I am the biggest threat to her existence if she is scum.

I half don’t even believe that they are confirmed to each other.

I was scum in a game where Elsa Jay was my partner, Mastina was town, and Mastina convinced Elsa Jay to go along with a mason plan.

We won that game and broke Mastina into glitch mode that game.

Mastina can be town lying about this, but that’s the minimum.

At most, she’s lying, and as claimed 3rd party, by no means should anyone take them seriously.

If they say they are with us on a town wincon level, then they can share the same trust that they expect us to go along with.

[April Ludgate]

idk man at least her (mastina's) story is consistent throughout what she has been saying, so im willing to hear more.

plus menal says she had big town energy and i have to respect the dead

Mastina pocketed Menalque. She posted that Menalque was lock town.

I said this Day 1 that that was happening.

And Mastina is always town read when she is scum, why is that any different?

ScumMastina is super consistent.

I’m not even necessarily calling her scum.

I just know for a fact she’s full of it because I’m town.

[April Ludgate]

Like sorry if you don’t like hearing this, but I don’t end up in this situation as scum.

I just don’t.

I barely defended Gamma. I afk’d after that section, and came back in twilight.

Like, that’s just trash.

[April Ludgate]

Something Smart, someone who I would say is probably the best at reading my alignment, has stated he’s slightly seeing light town.

That, in addition to both Titus and Mastina having misread townMe almost every single time I’ve been town against them, and when I am scum, Mastina usually town reads me.

In fact, Mastina once was “positive” I was town and lying while in a 1v1 with me, when I was just scum.

That’s how Mastina reads me when I am scum.

Mastina is lying to chop any momentum I might have because I was starting to rally some troops.

We were a giant town army, and we were strong enough to be the forerunners for this town.

[April Ludgate]

Both Mastina and Titus treated the accurate Motion Detect claim as an implied guilty, but I did no such thing.

In fact, I even specifically mentioned that it wasn’t a guilty or anything.

I wanted to mix my action with Plus’ action because I believe they can be used in synergy together, and I feel they are threatened, so they have to push a way to get me faded and then be able to brush it off later.

[April Ludgate]

Oh, boo hoo, did you expect me to not care if people tried to misfade me?

You’re gonna have to try a lot harder than that.

And you know what, it might happen. And the only way it might happen is because I am town, because I assure you, as scum, there would be zero possibility of me being in this scenario.

Menalque was making incredibly weak logic reasoning, and I was able to discuss with them nicely, if I were scum, I would have eventually pocketed this game, just like I did in PFUP.

So I just avoid taking out heavy hitters here if I am scum?

Yeah, right.

[April Ludgate]

You know what, I might even be willing to sacrifice myself and start a full on Messiah Savior gimmick from this, so I can be the proof of why townies shouldn’t be the sheep they are, and get controlled by people trying to hold them down, plus it would prove me town.

And it might end up net positive on a game level, but I’ll have to think it through.

In theory, I can end game solve like *snap*, but if I can trust some other people to get to that point of end game solve, I might be willing to sacrifice. I just need to have trust in some townies here to do it, which I don’t know if I have at the moment.

My people will likely getting torn without the strength we have in numbers, and honestly, me going down probably makes obvtown Morning Mage go down later too, so actually it kind of isn’t the best idea yet.

[April Ludgate]

It would require him to be both white knighting me and antagonizing me over my claim, so I find that incredibly weird if they are scum.

[April Ludgate]

I mean, FL you def light defended Gamma and it makes you look suspicious. I'm also pretty sure that you have used the "I don't defend my buddies anymore" as an excuse when you were scum b4 so...

Exactly, Nero, light defended.

And quote it.

I don’t believe I have.

[April Ludgate]

I think I have used it as scum on a townie before, but I don’t believe I’ve said that Scum/Scum since after doing it in my final scum game of 2019, which is what made me wanna stop doing it for good.

[April Ludgate]

I don’t give a damn about looking suspicious, I’m fine with that.

If Titus and Mastina were pushing that, it would be far more acceptable.

They’re straight up lying to try to get me faded and misrepping.

Titus also trashed on Morning Mage when Morning Mage was completely in the right for seeing a pairing in Titus/Mastina.

That doesn’t add up.

Also, I never once claimed or implied my result on Titus was a guilty, which also got blown out of proportion.

What are your thoughts on that?

[April Ludgate]

@Nero - you know for a fact they share your alignment? This isn’t just some Mastina or Titus fuckery?

Why would i claim Motion Detector in that scenario. You’ve seen me scum fake claim before, my claims are always obnoxiously able to delay me, here nothing of the sort happened.

That is strictly an anti scum move by me, and maybe you can push that’s why it was made, but Mastina also lied about me making that scum fake claim before, because I don’t believe I have.

[April Ludgate]

I’ve also been misreading Gamma constantly, usually it’s I scum read him, and he’s town.

This was the first time I’ve seen him as scum in a while, and I stated a town read.

I don’t defend people when I’m town?

That’s bs. I defend people harder when I’m town, and much more pigheaded like. ScumMe can legit create reasons when I defend, and I did nothing of the sort here.

[April Ludgate]

@Nero - you know for a fact they share your alignment? This isn’t just some Mastina or Titus fuckery?

Why would i claim Motion Detector in that scenario. You’ve seen me scum fake claim before, my claims are always obnoxiously able to delay me, here nothing of the sort happened.

That is strictly an anti scum move by me, and maybe you can push that’s why it was made, but Mastina also lied about me making that scum fake claim before, because I don’t believe I have.

I need an answer to the first part from Nero.

[April Ludgate]

And the other stuff?

[April Ludgate]

You understand why town shouldn’t listen to you here, though, right? You are claimed 3rd party without letting us in on your alignment.

I understand the need to keep it secret on some levels, but they can’t expect us to trust them regarding that stuff, you guys have your own agenda, even if you can win with town.

Mastina is straight up lying and incorrectly pushing things to try to get me misfaded. Hell, maybe they actually think I am scum here, Mastina is one of the top 3 people who always incorrectly read me.

But I think you know they are lying.

[April Ludgate]

I think you know they are lying, but because I light defended Gamma, you were more okay with it.

I was just straight up wrong. That’s impossible for you to see, though, right? The Great Flavor Leaf is wrong!! Must be scum! They’ve never been wrong on a read Day 1 before!

Like I said, you are aware Mastina is lying to the game in some fashion and are actively ignoring it.

[April Ludgate]

At the end of the day, everyone’s gonna have to live with “Flavor was right” in some fashion or another.

[April Ludgate]

So what do I need to do now for you to see that I am town?

I will go through every single player until this is resolved because as town, my duty is to get you guys to town read me successfully.

I do find it interesting on your refusal to talk about the poor reasonings and statements of your leader.

[April Ludgate]

We are 3rd party, yes but we are anti kings army so for the purpose of this game we are far more town than we are scum and thus we are helping town to achieve their wincon.

I feel like scum is in a bad spot right now. You have 2 anti-scum factions working with town with several clears so scum have a small mis-lynch pool and I tend to think the majority if not all the scum are in the POE.

And you don’t believe there are things in the setup to counteract that?

If you can win with town, why do you assume the other factions aren’t just faking it?

You think that makes sense from a design setup to naturally have scum at that much of a disadvantage?

[April Ludgate]

I want you to convince your anti scum faction that I am town, Nero.

And to do so, I not only have to convince you I am town, I have to convince you to tell your teammates, they are incorrect, because they are.

I am going straight to you, Nero. This is extremely poor if I am scum, correct?

As town, I am actively trying to reach out to make some connection with a 3rd party that says they are here to help town, but from my point of view, you guys say you are here to help town, but you’re putting us in harnesses while you do the work.

Why should townies like myself and likely Mage be okay with the shut out and lying nature of your party?

Morning Mage was 100% correct in mentioning they saw a pairing within Titus-Mastina, yet Titus belittled and targeted Mage acting like they were flailing by doing so. Why?

Mage was right, they are paired. And I see that coming from Mage as townie.

[April Ludgate]

but you aren't right. You were wrong on Gamma and you are mostly wrong about Titus and Mastina. Mostly b/c they technically aren't town. So what are you right about?

If you correct kings army reads then sure you can say you were right but you seem more focused on defending yourself than trying to lynch scum.

I’m not worried about defending myself at all.

I am doing my duty as town to protect the town and help people see what’s going on.

I was wrong on Gamma, sure, but that doesn’t mean I was wrong otherwise. I didn’t even give reasons to why I thought Gamma was town, I simply just targeted Samantha.

Gamma’s my buddy, you know that, that’s exactly something I would and did do, and Gamma knew I would.

What benefits does scum me get from LIGHT defending Gamma there? You know how I am, I’m always about taking advantage of situations and making myself lock town from gamestate perspective.

In what way is it beneficial for me to LIGHT defend Gamma there, and then claim a role that isn’t provable?

I believe I should be an easy town read for you here, but you’re just trying to plead the fifth to not upset leaderMastina, right? You gotta wait for your order.

I’m not pushing them as scum, I’m pushing them for what they are.

Liars, momentum choppers, and 3rd party.

This is me trying to understand the gamestate.

I’m very aware of scum likely being elsewhere on my wagon, and I’ll get to that.

[April Ludgate]

I don't give a damn about your ATE. Hunt scum or eat rope.

That’s what I thought.

No original thoughts.

[April Ludgate]

helping town to achieve their wincon.

this sounds veryyy much like you do not actually share our wincon would you like to elaborate

Good find.

[April Ludgate]

They don’t share our wincon confirmed, they probably can win without us, they just can also win with us, which is why Titus/Mastina don’t care if they’re lying or not to get rid of me.

I am their biggest momentum halt.

I am their biggest threat to them not winning with Town.

Except I’m extremely easy to work with if you don’t just try to shade or discredit me.

They actively chose to lie and discredit, however, in proven situations where they have been shady.

Do not listen to 3rd party until we have a reason.

I’m willing to look into actual scum here, but even they should move on from pushing me because until they are out of that push, I am stuck forced to focus on this.

And don’t get me wrong, I do analyze other things, but the overall gamestate view I see is what I talk about always.

I haven’t been able to cast my net in this game like I have otherwise, but frankly, I just wanted to coast and solve late game because that’s when I do the best because I don’t carry over biases.

[April Ludgate]

If you can win with town, why do you assume the other factions aren’t just faking it?

i mean, I did. See me pushing SB d1.

You think that makes sense from a design setup to naturally have scum at that much of a disadvantage?

it does seem like a kinda poor setup. I agree with Mastina that the whole entire point of the setup is to get the 2 3p groups to fight amongst themselves and let scum blend in.

And do I seem at all like I’m trying to blend in?

[April Ludgate]

Convince them to go elsewhere, we can circle back and talk about me later.

They’re info is wrong if they truly have something that “implies” scumMe, because I am town, and Titus has trash reasonings all around the list they made.

Every single reason Titus made can be explained by it’s town me or it’s a misrep.

[April Ludgate]

you are also kings army and thats why you aren't hunting them. Just whining and crying foul on Mastina.

Surface level thinker will be a surface level thinker.

[April Ludgate]

People just can’t comprehend my higher level of play and thinking. I gotta stop thinking they can.

VOTE: April

Goodbye.

[April Ludgate]

I am town.