mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[MathBlade]

The gamestate is your team is claiming a guilty on April.

If you and Mastina wish to rescind that guilty it changes the gamestate but a rescinded guilty isn’t just scumclaiming

So no there is literally no read I can push because reads can not override a guilty claim.

mastina and I disagree on the strength of the setup spec. I have an independent SR of April. It's not a guilty.

Mastina is claiming a guilty then.

You’re a package deal with Mastina per your claim.

Unless she rescinds her claim it’s a guilty.

She said she has info making April scum. That’s called a guilty. It’s not a read it’s a guilty.

That's a read, based off info.

A guilty is different.

Hahahahaha funny.

That’s like saying a cop getting a red on someone is not a guilty it’s a read based off info.

You won’t say what the info is, but say April is lock scum.

That’s called a guilty.

[Titus]

The gamestate is your team is claiming a guilty on April.

If you and Mastina wish to rescind that guilty it changes the gamestate but a rescinded guilty isn’t just scumclaiming

So no there is literally no read I can push because reads can not override a guilty claim.

mastina and I disagree on the strength of the setup spec. I have an independent SR of April. It's not a guilty.

Mastina is claiming a guilty then.

You’re a package deal with Mastina per your claim.

Unless she rescinds her claim it’s a guilty.

She said she has info making April scum. That’s called a guilty. It’s not a read it’s a guilty.

That's a read, based off info.

A guilty is different.

Hahahahaha funny.

That’s like saying a cop getting a red on someone is not a guilty it’s a read based off info.

You won’t say what the info is, but say April is lock scum.

That’s called a guilty.

We have no action that dictates April as scum 100%. We don't have a cop guilty.

We just have info suggesting she is and are pushing it.

[MathBlade]

Okay then what’s the information so we can adequately decide for ourselves? If we can’t then we have to take Mastina’s word that it’s a confScum as she said and evaluate in it accordingly.

You either gotta give us something or we have to keep you accountable to your words since your 3P

[Titus]

Okay then what’s the information so we can adequately decide for ourselves? If we can’t then we have to take Mastina’s word that it’s a confScum as she said and evaluate in it accordingly.

You either gotta give us something or we have to keep you accountable to your words since your 3P

You can decide for yourself based on the info we are willing to present when we present it.

I have heard the info. It's not making April confScum, so I am willing to discuss what I feel comfortable talking about right now. There's plenty of evidence to discuss the read.

You don't have to vote with us if you think there's a better Army target.

[MathBlade]

Okay then what’s the information so we can adequately decide for ourselves? If we can’t then we have to take Mastina’s word that it’s a confScum as she said and evaluate in it accordingly.

You either gotta give us something or we have to keep you accountable to your words since your 3P

You can decide for yourself based on the info we are willing to present when we present it.

I have heard the info. It's not making April confScum, so I am willing to discuss what I feel comfortable talking about right now. There's plenty of evidence to discuss the read.

You don't have to vote with us if you think there's a better Army target.

Lol “Hey guys April is conf scum we have info”

Me asks for info

Titus we will share it when we feel like it

How the fuck are we supposed to assess if your info is good if we can’t have it or exe April?

[TheGoldenParadox]

Explain your April case.

April is scum because this is April's scum meta through and through, at least one specific version of it.
I've seen this version of FL at least once or twice, the version where he loses a scumbuddy D1 after having lurked through D1 and tries to make a whacky crazy D2 comeback.

Beyond that: FL has shown setup knowledge on multiple fronts indicating TMI that he is scum.
Beyond that: FL claimed a role that I have role-related reasons to believe doesn't exist in the setup.
Beyond that: FL is trying to set up a role chain that I know he is capable of setting up as scum, having done it before.
Beyond that: FL hard-defended Gamma D1 when FL has a scum meta of hard-defending his scumbuddies.
Beyond that: FL has tried to shade and discredit just about every alignment-confirmed player, because if too many players are locktowned, scum are put into an auto-loss and April is trying everything in his power to prevent that.

Trust me.

I don't always know April's scumgame.

But I KNOW that this? This is April's scumgame.

He's not scum by one reason.

He's scum by every reason.

VOTE: april
okay, i'm convinced.

@Math, He's town plus that requires all three of mastina/Nero/Me to be lying or scum with A50 and one other that fake claimed d1. Literally, they cannot be evil 3p. It's against my/mastina/Nero's role pm.

Uh huh.
Right.
Exactly.

So here you go my queen.

VOTE: April

The humble peasant is getting sick and tired of telling everyone they’re being idiots for following the 3P instead of the town. I don’t believe you. But I am sick and tired of the BS.

Each time I point out a flaw you just add BS to the pile.

I figure the best way to out you is watch you fail.

And if you don’t I am closer to victory win win.

i appreciate how clear mastina has made everything after the convoluted jumble of WTF d1
i'm not sure, math. on one hand, i'm inclined to share in your disbelief. on the other hand, i townread mastina very hard and townread titus to a lesser extent yesterday, and i believe that they're telling the truth that they're on our side. that being said, i think that their secret wincon is less "impossible" then they're implying, and they're working towards a gamestate where both wincons are plausible for them: i don't believe that otherwise, the moderator puts in two three-person third parties with a town wincon and gives one an implausible alternate wincon. i'm wary, but my goal right now is to eliminate actual scum, and i think april has a much higher chance of being actual scum than mastina titus and nero.

[PlusJOYED]

ongoing games thing removed ~s

[Something_Smart]

I’m mod confirmed not scum.

No you aren't?

[MathBlade]

I’m mod confirmed not scum.

No you aren't?

If you believe Titus and Mastina they are.

[Bell]

@Joyed, you're basically just saying that based off your experience with him you don't think he's scum yeah?

[Something_Smart]

I really want to see what Mastina thinks. Mastina while great at scum isn’t the best liar.

Okay, this is me not lying:
I have VERY good setup based reasons to believe that April Ludgate's roleclaim is complete and utter bullshit.

Can you just say them so that we can judge for ourselves whether they're very good or not?

[PlusJOYED]

maybe, maybe not

[PlusJOYED]

@Joyed, you're basically just saying that based off your experience with him you don't think he's scum yeah?

as in I can't say

[MathBlade]

ongoing games thing removed ~s

Good for you. I think April is town however.

Mastina is claiming April is conf scum because of “info”.

Titus says we can’t have the “info”.

So I don’t see a way other than to exe my town read to prove Mastina and Titus are full of BS.

[Bell]

I can't tell on April. The thread exploded and I'm on 2 hours of sleep.

[Something_Smart]

Both third parties, I want your wincons verbatim. I want to know where precisely y’all stand.

They already explained why they aren't going to do this...

[Bell]

I'm okay with moving votes to April if Mastina is that confident in it.

[superbowl9]

Screw it. I’ll play Math’s game because it’s a game I’ve been to interested in playing myself.

Both third parties, I want your wincons verbatim. I want to know where precisely y’all stand.

We
Have
Provided
Our
Wincon
1000
Times

[Something_Smart]

She said she has info making April scum. That’s called a guilty. It’s not a read it’s a guilty.

That's not what she said. She said she had mechanical info from which she has deduced that he's scum. But we have no evidence that the deduction was sound.

[Something_Smart]

If you believe Titus and Mastina they are.

Yes, that's true. But it wasn't true when Norwee made the post

[MathBlade]

She said she has info making April scum. That’s called a guilty. It’s not a read it’s a guilty.

That's not what she said. She said she had mechanical info from which she has deduced that he's scum. But we have no evidence that the deduction was sound.

Potato potatoh

I have been told point blank several times to trust Titus and Mastina.

So either they have to give the info or I trust the conclusion is good.

It’s a lose lose situation.

If I push anyone else I am not “trusting Titus and Mastina”.

If I ask for evidence I am told good well and ready.

So what else am I supposed to do to see if they are town siding other than exe April?

[NorwegianboyEE]

S_S you dare doubt your new king?

[superbowl9]

I really want to see what Mastina thinks. Mastina while great at scum isn’t the best liar.

Okay, this is me not lying:
I have VERY good setup based reasons to believe that April Ludgate's roleclaim is complete and utter bullshit.

Can you just say them so that we can judge for ourselves whether they're very good or not?

If you think they could dont you think they would???

[Bell]

Math, I never ever want to vote you this game, but whatever your problem is, there must be a better way to communicate in a productive, protown manner.

[MathBlade]

Math, I never ever want to vote you this game, but whatever your problem is, there must be a better way to communicate in a productive, protown manner.

This is a protown manner.

I am explaining my dilemma.

People aren’t addressing the dilemma.

I try again.

People aren’t addressing the dilemma.

I give up and submit to sheer silliness.

Now I am getting yelled at for how I am pointing out the silliness.

Like it’s ridiculous.