Micro 974.1: Dung Beetle Redux (Game Over)

[JohnnyFarrar]

Taly and I talked, there was an argument, nor is probably town though a little role- fishy so I'm a little nervous.

VOTE: Goldie

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've been role-fishy?

[JohnnyFarrar]

The reason I'm not pushing it is because I am not sure if it was intentional. But suggesting giving the bug to someone else and having bun doctor them is, in a round about way, fishing for other doctors, since doctors can't defend each other.

Also that plan implies you believe the surgeon claim, which I believe you pushed back on? Am I remembering that right?

[Tayl0r Swift]

who claimed surgeon?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Buns

[Tayl0r Swift]

why does bunno keep claiming

[NorwegianboyEE]

The reason I'm not pushing it is because I am not sure if it was intentional. But suggesting giving the bug to someone else and having bun doctor them is, in a round about way, fishing for other doctors, since doctors can't defend each other.

Ummm no? That is in no way, "fishing for doctors"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also that plan implies you believe the surgeon claim, which I believe you pushed back on? Am I remembering that right?

I’m not pushing the surgeon claim. If Bunno is town i don’t see any reason to lie about this. But if they are scum then the claim is obviously bullshit and we’d find it out if Bunno can’t protect the one that has the bug.

[NorwegianboyEE]

OH, surgeons can't protect other surgeons. I forgot that.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i didnt read anything surrounding the claim but im inclined to townbin bunno for it.

[Bunno]

*snooze*

I'm here, probably.

I'll try to do my last duty here and talk about Plan A. Idk if I've enough energy though so if I don't post it you know why

[Bunno]

Since I knew I was a surgeon I was more worried about avoiding at all costs Surgeon/Surgeon pairs here. The probability we've a surgeon other than me is pretty good therefore it didn't matter if it was slightly harder to active the operation each night compared to the old lovers, the most important thing was to avoid a surgeon/surgeon pair that's simply put a huge waste.

I'm not sure if Plan A is as optimal as it was when I thought about it, because now I'm outted and I believe I'll be NK, especially given I'm getting town read. At minimum I'm expecting a roleblock. Therefore we would need for 2 out of the 6 other townies to be a surgeon, which is a little bit harder but maybe it can happen.

Plan A was to have:

1 claimed non-gardener, let's call him P1
1 non-claimed person, let's call him P2

Paired together. There's multiple ways of coordinating their actions depending on what you want to achieve with the plan, you can have actions that makes it harder for mafia to steal the bug, you can have actions that optimize doctors operation, or you can make it on sentries trying to conftown themselves later.

What I would suggest though at the moment would be:

If P1 is a sentry, he does nothing. If P1 is a doctor, he operates Dr.Z during the night.

If P2 is a gardener, he removes P1 ability to receive the bug. If P2 is a sentry, he does nothing. If P2 is a doctor, he operates Dr.Z during the night.

There's a chance with the above that there's a Gardener/Sentry pairing where the gardener will make the sentry unable to steal/confirm themselves later, but you can use this to your advantage, kinda:

1) If you trust the prevented Sentry, try to give the bug to them, if it fails the Gardener claim is fake therefore scum. If it succeeds you'll have two new conftown.

2) If you distrust the prevented Sentry OR the caretaker is still alive, try to make the sentry steal at night, if it succeeds the Gardener is guilted. If you've somehow confirmed the RB is wasted (like I was trying to do), you also could assume that if the Sentry fails, the Gardener is confirmed town, and the Sentry may or not be mafia.

3) Even if the situation makes you unable to try confirming the Sentry, you can always force it to use guard on the later nights when the other sentries have already spent their abilities. It either confirms the Sentry as town, make mafia risk getting guilted if they try to kill/steal the bug from the caretaker, or make mafia give up on stealing the bug at that night.

[Bunno]

I personally think that making any P2 Gardener prevent/remove the bug ability from the P1 is more optimal than "saving" Sentries steal because it gives less motivation for mafia to try being the P1.

If mafia is P1 the chance of operating Dr.Z drastically decreases, therefore it's good to have something to make mafia think twice before doing it. They risk losing their alternative win con.

[Bunno]

I think that overall at the very least those coordinations make it less likely for mafia to win by stealing the bug, I'm setting that as my minimum goal. If it does that it's good enough in my opinion.

Wheter it operates Dr.Z, or give us extra confirmed townies later, it's something up to Lady Luck / Probabilities. That's it.

If I managed to operate N1 I think there's very little chance we didn't get one confirmed scum later, and maybe an auto-win by PoE if we managed to have 1 or 2 confirmed townies later by coordination.

But not everything in life goes the way you wanted.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Taly and I talked, there was an argument, nor is probably town though a little role- fishy so I'm a little nervous.

VOTE: Goldie

If I were to hazard a guess, I would guess him + PM, most likely but not extremely confident but those are my weakest reads in this game.

When I first saw this, I thought who tf is “Goldie” but then I realized that was TGP.

~M

[Smoke and Mirrors]

both of you are lamisting

Can you go away. We don’t need a professor to teach us the ropes of mafia.

ah, rebellious students

Dayvig: Norwegian

S&M is rather town imo, push on norway taking account into the other game is very logical

@mod, I think it’s time PM received a prod, it’s been over 48 hrs now.

[Bunno]

And that’s exactly what Bunno did previous game, but now how they’re going about it here for some reason. (They say role related, but eh.)

My role literally make us likely to lose if I got the bug. I could single-highhandedly lose this game to us if I got the bug unclaimed, and claiming surgeon makes it largely a useless role that can be countered from every possible angle by mafia.

I get suspecting me but this is a moot point. I'm still not confident on town reading you here by the way, if anyone else cares.

[Bunno]

I may not get here again until Saturday/Sunday

Bye

I don't feel confident enough on anyone to heal them, and I'm not including S&M on the potential list.

[Taly]

I may not get here again until Saturday/Sunday

Bye

I don't feel confident enough on anyone to heal them, and I'm not including S&M on the potential list.

I'd really want a conversation when you'd like to. I want to play with you.

I'm good with abiding by the this lovers' plan and am not afraid of the claiming aspect, but I'm waiting for others' input.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm in.

[Taly]

@mod, it has been over 48 hr since PM posted, just letting you know <3

this thread is going way too slow for me. anybody want to pull me onto their execution and heal wagons?

[Something_Smart]

@mod, if Bunno were to operate on Dr. Z tonight, would that get confirmed publically? Iow, if he is telling the truth about being a surgeon, is that verifiable - if he’s not roleblocked?

Success or failure of individual operations are never confirmed. The only thing that will be confirmed is when two successful operations total have taken place.

@mod, I think it’s time PM received a prod, it’s been over 48 hrs now.

@mod, it has been over 48 hr since PM posted, just letting you know <3

Thank you for the heads-up.

VC 1.3

Professor Mafia (2)- NorwegianboyEE, Bunno
Smoke and Mirrors (1)- TheGoldenParadox
Tayl0r Swift (1)- Tayl0r Swift
TheGoldenParadox (1)- JohnnyFarrar

Not voting (4)- Herta, Taly, Professor Mafia, Smoke and Mirrors

With 9 alive it takes 5 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-27 20:00:00)

Mod notes: Prodding Professor Mafia.

Beetle Status

The Red-Horned Dung Beetle has

no caretaker.

Tayl0r Swift (1)- Tayl0r Swift
NorwegianboyEE (1)- NorwegianboyEE
Bunno (1)- JohnnyFarrar

Not voting (6)- Herta, Smoke and Mirrors, Taly, Bunno, Professor Mafia, TheGoldenParadox

[Smoke and Mirrors]

@Taly saw you wanted to talk

What's up?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

~Pooky

[Taly]

kind of want to do the same exercise

johnny

did with me last night

If you could magically have it your way, who will get the bug and who will be wagoned?

What do you think about the lover's plan?

Do you think

Tay

is feigning a lack of knowledge?

Is

TGP's

last post a sound one?

~~~

I don't have faith whether

PM

will pick up the prod or not, so let's go here: VOTE: TheGoldenParadox I want this slot to reply to my post about 1-2 pages ago.