Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[Starbuck]

JFC, these past few days. However, if the plus of me having IRL shit going on is that Lav is participating, I'm glad to have 5 bazillion pages to read.

[BrightEyedFish]

That really felt like BEF wanted to be able to be on the bus wagon

What do you mean?

BEF thought Iece was happening and wanted to vote before hammer dropped, then switched off after momentum there had switched away
Reeks of wanting bus cred imo

I'm still on Iec...

[Gamma Emerald]

you are now but the specific exchange I had quoted gave me those vibes

[BrightEyedFish]

I made my NPOM meta case and switched my vote there. IT went nowhere so I went back to Iec.

[BrightEyedFish]

I even played along and did the "fake hammer" on Iec, which nothing came of.

[Gamma Emerald]

So I decided to look into everyone's reads on Grendel and I have a nice scattershot of questions now.

@BEF, davesaz, chk, DGB, TDeath: where is Grendel in your shred preference order? I know you already said this in basic terms BEF, but I want you specifically to expand on your thoughts.
@Bambi: you still have not unvoted Grendel, despite having pushed/shaded DGB. Why is that?
@NPOM and Pooky, your unvotes and approach to Grendel's rep in were kinda similar, so I'll ask both of you the same question, and that question is: what are you thinking of Grendel rn?
@Lav, Galron, Drew, Iecerint: I can't really tell what you think of Grendel of have thought of the slot for a good while, can you expand on your overall thoughts on the Walter/assemble/grendel slot? This especially goes out to Lav and Iecerint.

[BrightEyedFish]

So I decided to look into everyone's reads on Grendel and I have a nice scattershot of questions now.

@BEF, davesaz, chk, DGB, TDeath: where is Grendel in your shred preference order? I know you already said this in basic terms BEF, but I want you specifically to expand on your thoughts.

#1 for me. Or at least the Walter slot was due to the IKS wagon.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, I do like Grendel's posts so far. You can't compare it to Walt or Assemble. If it weren't for that VCA on IKS I would TR that slot.

THat being said, I don't want to shred there today.

How curious.

[davesaz]

Is Iec at shred-1? Intent to hammer if so.

When I ran my experimental program last night, it showed a count of around 7. Take that with the usual caveats.

[davesaz]

where is Grendel in your shred preference order?

Re-evaluating based on posting. Very much WIP and may not finish today.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s alright rn, though I do wanna see an answer when you’re decided. Outside of NPOM + Pooky, I don’t feel a need to keep a steady standard for my questioning within groups I asked the same question of.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, I do like Grendel's posts so far. You can't compare it to Walt or Assemble. If it weren't for that VCA on IKS I would TR that slot.

THat being said, I don't want to shred there today.

How curious.

Thats whyI said "You can't compare it to Walt or Assemble."

[a2rudeboy]

I know you didn't ask, but FWIW, my vote on the Grendel slot was a part of my overall approach so far. Y'all dont like it, but i don't like lurkers. Grendel showed up and provided content. The slot's still scummy, but I at least like having Grendel in the game.

[a2rudeboy]

(I'd also rather go through another phase with Scum Grendel, than Town Lav or Town NPOM)

[Iecerint]

Please stop supporting scum claim stall, all that pussyfooting around and having to submit

Intent To Claim Form SP-1001

in triplicate only helps the scum.

The caboose is red for a reason.

The reason for waiting for claim+intent is that without, we get a bunch of unnecessary claims and wagon deflations (e.g., we will have had a total of 3 claims today, plus softs, based on unnecessarily excessive claiming).

If you get claim+intent, then that player should be shredded 100% unless they have a confirmable power role.

[Iecerint]

Icerint if you have a confirmable town role you should really go ahead and claim. Otherwise you're causing an unnecessary waiting game that will make EoD less effective in catching scum. Town needs enough time to access the claim, and time to consider if pivoting is needed.

1. I am hearing what you are saying. I am not claiming until the shred-1 and intent.
2. You have all the information you need to confirm that DGB is scum. My claim is not a foregone conclusion.

[Iecerint]

Shes really like this every game? :/

This is pretty similar to the last Baker game I played with her (where D1 was Lavender v Iecerint townvtown, Lavender shredded).

[Iecerint]

Obviously if any shred is going to happen besides Ice(leaning this way now tbh) I would highly prefer NPOM, and maybe Lav.

I am pretty surprised to hear you say you're leaning me at this point. What makes you think that? What do you make of DGB's behavior around IKS D1 in particular?

[Iecerint]

Ah anyways, I wanna say DGB is the big baddie, because they keep claim hoppin, well maybe not claim hoppin, but I don’t really understand aye.
How would their role correlate with IKS’s if it’s a Jack?

Will my record of incorrect readsu continue!

On to another thought!
Rudey is hmmm, well I don’t get Rudey, but I think they should understand...
Darn darn darn it’s not like I don’t want to post more!!!

OK so vote for one of them.

[Iecerint]

Why is it so hard to get people to vote Iecerint to get a claim?

I was at shred-1 sans intent from nothing in a span of something like 6 hours of paroxysmal insanity; people unvoted after they started regaining the ability to think.

[TiphaineDeath]

@ Gamma, I would like to die today in order.

Dave-Pooky-Grendel-Chk-Starbuck and waaaay last NPOM, because I am currently VI reading him, but he still irritates me.

[Iecerint]

@Lav, Galron, Drew, Iecerint: I can't really tell what you think of Grendel of have thought of the slot for a good while, can you expand on your overall thoughts on the Walter/assemble/grendel slot? This especially goes out to Lav and Iecerint.

Walter was scummy, Assemble flaking upon getting the role PM also skews scummy, sad to say. But, Grendel is engaging with the game in a way that will make the slot sortoutable via POE later. So, not anywhere near the table for shred today.

In contrast to DGB, who is playing her scum meta, has scummy interactions with flipped scum (i.e., more reliable than relational perceptions among unrevealed players), claimed multiple implausible roles over period of 20 pages of content, and came up with an OMGUS case on me after I voted her, claiming it dated from D1 despite that she followed my NPOM wagon D1.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why is it so hard to get people to vote Iecerint to get a claim?

I was at shred-1 sans intent from nothing in a span of something like 6 hours of paroxysmal insanity; people unvoted after they started regaining the ability to think.

When were you at S-1?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Iece the thing is until then your read on Walterslot had floated from scum to ???, it kinda read like you wanting to maintain a level of suspicion there but not wanting to put your money where your mouth was. The part about PoEing him later kinda affirms those thoughts, as the general idea of what I think you're doing if Grendel is town is trying to keep the slot for later.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Aside from my issues with DGB's self vote and missing the NK, I also find her interactions with Drew and TD suspicious.