The Trials - ENDGAME

[maxwell]

Hello. Realize this is something of a difficult situation with very little time and I haven't really been following the game. I'm VT, have there been any other claims at all?

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh boy. this is a vanilla game. odds that that came from town who didnt read the setup vs scum being told to dumbtell?

[maxwell]

Oh, game stats with VTs, right, my bad. Sorry.

[maxwell]

Literally had just started reading the first page and went to correct myself.

[maxwell]

I'm reading up but given time constraints would be helpful to know where people stand right now with regard to reads. Would someone mind summarizing those for me?

[Tayl0r Swift]

we are probably in lylo, there was a vote on you, and scum didnt quickhammer so... you are also the most scumread slot. titus has been defending you and pushing marashu. dgb is probtown. gypyx is probtown. glitch could easily be scum here.

[maxwell]

Well, vote was on overnight while no one posted so I wouldn't say it counts for much. Understood this slot's scumread, mind explaining why? Or why dgb and gypyx are town?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Well, vote was on overnight while no one posted so I wouldn't say it counts for much. Understood this slot's scumread, mind explaining why? Or why dgb and gypyx are town?

it lurked a lot and didnt do much to solve while still posting. it didnt feel like town!nosferatu. dgb myself and titus have been doing most of the solving i feel. gypyx is a more gut-level read for me personally. but i dont think that my reads are gonna help you sort people.

[maxwell]

From what I've seen of a little of his game, being a hardcore lurker who doesn't contribute much seems entirely normal for Nosferatu. Would be wary of anyone who's been strongly pushing him as scum on that basis.

And that's fine, didn't need much, just getting the perspective helps.

[Titus]

Max, here's the situation.

This is a mountainous setup. There are three modconfirmed scum. None of them have been lynched. Town were exxecuted ("sent to the trials") three times. At least two of these failed. I am under the impression that the first and third failed. The second kill makes no sense as a failure. The first gladiate being all town makes sense as a failure. That would make DGB and Nos town. Slight problem with that is that you're Nos and DGB wants your head. I feel Taylor is town by her play.

Therefore, unless I am wrong somewhere, the townies are Taylor DGB you and me.

If we have any hope of convincing DGB you're town, you'll have to come up with some content and fast.

[DrippingGoofball]

oh boy. this is a vanilla game. odds that that came from town who didnt read the setup vs scum being told to dumbtell?

VT is the easiest claim for a goon, I wouldn't read anything into it.

[maxwell]

What it means is I read my role PM and posted without reading the first page of the topic, but that should be treated as entirely NAI.

If I'm being fully honest DGB's posts on page 79 don't look like ones I see town making but not about to base a lylo read on a single page of posts.

Suppose I'll try to stream of consciousness my readthrough although I've no idea how it'll go.

[Gypyx]

I'm reading up but given time constraints would be helpful to know where people stand right now with regard to reads. Would someone mind summarizing those for me?

I have DGB as quasi-locktown given what we know of the mechanics

Tayl0r swift is the person i TR the most

4th townie is up to discussion, leaning towards Marashu

[maxwell]

Didn't really care for Eddie on page 5, the early reads in 104 felt forced, 107 was throwing suspicion on two town players but tops it off with a hedge at the end. Notable that he somehow put leia toward town in his reads but then questions her about calling pob "locktown" in 129 - process feels backwards, he should be questioning her before declaring any sort of read.

Gypyx's 110 felt somewhat awkward but his other posts are okay-ish.

Absolutely hate the living piss out of 168 from Marashu, massive opening post that's largely IIoA, with light shade on gypyx toward the end of it.

[maxwell]

I'm reading up but given time constraints would be helpful to know where people stand right now with regard to reads. Would someone mind summarizing those for me?

I have DGB as quasi-locktown given what we know of the mechanics

Tayl0r swift is the person i TR the most

4th townie is up to discussion, leaning towards Marashu

Could you elaborate on these at all?

[Gypyx]

I'm reading up but given time constraints would be helpful to know where people stand right now with regard to reads. Would someone mind summarizing those for me?

I have DGB as quasi-locktown given what we know of the mechanics

Tayl0r swift is the person i TR the most

4th townie is up to discussion, leaning towards Marashu

Could you elaborate on these at all?

dgb :

either the gladiate was all town, in that case, dgb is town or either the gladiate had scum in it, i seriously doubt that we had 2 scum in it, therefore : dgb / nosferatu (you) = 1, i'm strongly scumreading your slot, so by PoE i'm confident in trusting DGB

taylor :

mostly gut read, i could try to go deeper and make a logical explaination, but i'm playing by gut this game, and i think taylor's pretty widely seen as town

the rest :

my solve is maxwell / titus / {Glitch or Maeashu} my theory would be that titus engaged in theater this ExeLo, because scum loves doing that, and I think Glitch reads more like distancing than Mara

[maxwell]

I'm reading up but given time constraints would be helpful to know where people stand right now with regard to reads. Would someone mind summarizing those for me?

I have DGB as quasi-locktown given what we know of the mechanics

Tayl0r swift is the person i TR the most

4th townie is up to discussion, leaning towards Marashu

Could you elaborate on these at all?

dgb :

either the gladiate was all town, in that case, dgb is town or either the gladiate had scum in it, i seriously doubt that we had 2 scum in it, therefore : dgb / nosferatu (you) = 1, i'm strongly scumreading your slot, so by PoE i'm confident in trusting DGB

taylor :

mostly gut read, i could try to go deeper and make a logical explaination, but i'm playing by gut this game, and i think taylor's pretty widely seen as town

the rest :

my solve is maxwell / titus / {Glitch or Maeashu} my theory would be that titus engaged in theater this ExeLo, because scum loves doing that, and I think Glitch reads more like distancing than Mara

Well, you're wrong on me, would say mechanically it would be pretty messed up if there was a way the day 2 gladiate could be an all-town one given the setup, as that just seems to have the potential to punish the town with cascading failures. We'll see though.



Don't care for tay's response to leia in 203 felt like an overreaction, but 231 reads as genuine annoyance. Not impossible for scum to fake but meh.

DGB opening with a vote on Vecna in 212 ignoring everything else is not a particularly good look.

[maxwell]

Don't like Eddie's sheep vote in 297 especially knowing the flip, suppose tayl0r gets credit for calling that out in 298.

307 to 312 from DBG starts with some empty town reads - easiest content for scum to give. ends with suggesting leia could be busing shelly, again absolutely hate this type of claiming s/s interactions on day 1 as that type of read just feels overdone, not like something a real thought someone would have.

Okay, Titus can be town for laying a trap with claiming that there was a slip. Not impossible for scum to fake that but I like the attempt to generate something meaningful.

332 from Marashu is pretty bad, more IIoA, fencesit on Titus in 334, only real contest seems to be sheeping battle mage in 335.

Actually do not particularly care for tayl0r's readlist in 364 at all in respons to redpanda, feels underdeveloped and 365 has a hint of LAMIST to it with the "im having a hard time".

[maxwell]

I admit I'm having a soft spot reading Titus's posts as town because I know she's defending me here, but I can't really help it. Still have yet to see the 'solving' I'm being told is coming from DGB. Titus coming across with much more believable scumhunting here on page 16.

[maxwell]

439 from DGB is a terrible post, casts vague aspersions on fidget and titus but doesn't outright accuse, finds ways of saying fidget and titus

could

be suspicious, leaves it for others to pick up if they want to. Fidget defending herself to Titus is supposed to be suspect for some reason? Titus was the leading the charge against fidget so it's only natural she'd respond to her loudest accuser. Doesn't really analyze Titus's gambit either, just fencesits on it. Again,another fencesitting post in 452. Reasoning on shelly calling a fight tvt is also pretty poor, see town players call fights TvT all the time and it's an important thing to do, feels a bit like a trap - if someone legitimately townreads two people having a fight they're supposed to say nothing? Those sort of things happen all the time.

The early wagon on taylor that Titus point out in 473 looks rather bad for taylor? 5 deep, all town. Conclusions for voting shelly are somewhat daffy but at least make sense for Titus's playstyle.

In general beginning to find taylor's posts are coming from a very 'safe' sort of approach, there's a lack of strong accusation against other people there, the overall vibe is guarded, hanging back, not wanting to go on the attack as much. Stuff like 498 where she just asks a question, then makes a generic comment about plus and nos being lurky, a very safe inoffensive statement to make. Feigns at being content while not actually offering anything.

[maxwell]

Had though gypyx seemed towny but went back to reread him before making my post and couldn't get anything specific so I deleted it.

[Gypyx]

Had though gypyx seemed towny but went back to reread him before making my post and couldn't get anything specific so I deleted it.

You meanie

[Titus]

Good news is, I got the apartment.

Bad news... it's unfurnished.

So less anxiety but less time.

[DrippingGoofball]

Good news is, I got the apartment.

Bad news... it's unfurnished.

So less anxiety but less time.

Decoration potential UNLOCKED

[maxwell]

Had though gypyx seemed towny but went back to reread him before making my post and couldn't get anything specific so I deleted it.

You meanie

Not really an attack, just not going to throw out a read I feel I can't justify.