Open 796: Haunted Village Game Over

[PlusJOYED]

so maf have rolecop, roleblocker and non consecutive strongman. thats 5 so we must have 8
I don't wanna speculate on prs this early but I have a suspicion of 1 existing due to the mafia picking a strongman
ahh people beat me to it
ill toss this here for now
VOTE: murdercat

[PlusJOYED]

so maf have rolecop, roleblocker and non consecutive strongman. thats 5 so we must have 8
I don't wanna speculate on prs this early but I have a suspicion of 1 existing due to the mafia picking a strongman
ahh people beat me to it
ill toss this here for now
VOTE: murdercat

Is this arbitrary, or are you a believer in voting people who already have some votes in RVS?

bit of both

[PlusJOYED]

Town pings on Tayl0r because she feels at ease in her early posting.

so maf have rolecop, roleblocker and non consecutive strongman. thats 5 so we must have 8
I don't wanna speculate on prs this early but I have a suspicion of 1 existing due to the mafia picking a strongman
ahh people beat me to it
ill toss this here for now
VOTE: murdercat

I dislike this because stating PlusJOYED doesn't want to speculate on prs directly contradicts the following statement of suspecting one exists due to there being a strongman. It doesn't take a genius to work that one out, so the former seems written more for appearances.

VOTE: PlusJOYED

-Lance

you misunderstand me
the strongman conclusion seems fairly obvious. To protect the prs I wrote that, my intention was to point out the obvious without moving any further down that path.

[PlusJOYED]

my impression of taylor is one that jokes around as either alignment. The 2 completed towngames I have with her she also was kind of a log iirc/inactive. Not sure if that's AI or not if Taylor becomes super active.

[PlusJOYED]

This is odd but I actually have 0 clue on who scum could be, and I think taylor vs BM was NAI. I have some weak townreads though.

[PlusJOYED]

ya i think it doesn't mean anything @bm


hold up, upon iso checking, I think there is something I missed first read
-RC voting and defending himself then leaving is a tiny bit weird, could be nothing
-xoltelf is rather sus. specifically, the fact that they joined in like 2008 and pull a newbiecard, claiming they're rusty and they've never considered option B for meta, and seem very open minded. I don't expect people to be mafia gods just cause of an early join date but I do expect them to know what they're doing and their uncertain tone feels very fake to me.
VOTE: xoltelf

[PlusJOYED]

my two cents on ~setup specc~, anything going further than the obvious "scum picked [role] so town probably has [the role that is a counterplay to]" is risking slips which are imo more likely to happen to PRs than to scum so let's not

Taylor-town does not give impression of trying. Taylor appears to be trying here. Ergo, Taylor scum.

which taylor posts up until here gave you an impression that she's "trying"? or like, what do you mean by trying here?

This is odd but I actually have 0 clue on who scum could be, and I think taylor vs BM was NAI. I have some weak townreads though.

i found this a bit surprising, at this point i was feeling like i had like one and a half weak townread (exorcists and maaaybe murdercat) with a whole buncha people either being null or south of null (RanCan for stuff, BM with the questionable push, and xof/norwee feeling active-lurky)

can you share your townreads?

also i got the same feeling on the tone from xofelf!

VOTE: Random Canadian

?

-tisi

this game im gonna try something different and not be open about all of my townreads since andres said that was a bad idea my last game, and I think not sharing townreads makes you less prone to being manipulated. I will share any of my SR's though

i have 4 decent townleans and 1 weak townlean

[PlusJOYED]

NORAAAAAAAAA YAYAYAYA
hope we're on the same team this time

[PlusJOYED]

yeah I believe in hiding townreads occasionally, just not as a default.
I don't know how I feel about the idea of lying about townreads just to mess with the nightkill strategy, but I guess there's some never say never I just haven't delved into before. I fakeclaimed my role as town for the first time this year or last year.

I get that, I've always thought you should be open about them too.
I'm keeping notes and plan to reveal them later on; this is just me trying a different approach

[PlusJOYED]

hmm this RC wagon is koving kinda fast
i think there could be scum on it

[PlusJOYED]

I also maintain my xolef scumread

[PlusJOYED]

battle of the no avi's

[PlusJOYED]

when i flip town, for goodness sake elim her lol

this scumpings

[PlusJOYED]

why are you already tunneling battle mage? It's page 10
I think that looks like an excuse to tunnel a town
I'd probably vote battle mage if they got gladiated with taylor

[PlusJOYED]

when i flip town, for goodness sake elim her lol

this scumpings

why are you already tunneling battle mage? It's page 10
I think that looks like an excuse to tunnel a town

are you arguing with your own post?

no i was talking to you
why tunnel taylor
peddit hmm

[PlusJOYED]

i also really dig the secret hydra head

[PlusJOYED]

i wonder if this is some sort of odd gambit from BM

[PlusJOYED]

noraa wanna join my xoxelf wagon

[PlusJOYED]

I think its his normal play which is coolio and all but rn tunneling isnt gonna help us get a Taylor lim even if she is scum :/

ehhh disagree
if a tunnel nets a scum elim its a good tunnel

[PlusJOYED]

i think we've already learnt quite a lot. an unusually high number of people defending taylor without grounds.

oh shit guys he caught us
the entire scumteam swapped to defend taylor cause 1 person is tunneling her in the first 10 pages
ggs time to concede

[PlusJOYED]

i have gamblers fallacy with noraa being scum rn

[PlusJOYED]

i have gamblers fallacy with noraa being scum rn

is that the thing where I've rolled scum too many times to be scum? bleh that thing is kinda dumb ngl cuz rolling scum isnt something I choose for myself to begin with and each game is a separate thing that has nothing to do with the last so the probability of rolling scum is always 50%

noraa *should* be easy to sort before long.

why is that?

its less than 50% cause informed minority
but yeah its a fallacy for a reason, im just admitting it

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: xofelf
Let's pick on xof, Plus makes some sense.
I want to get them deeper into this game too

yay
wanna townblock again isis :3

[PlusJOYED]

279 and 280 read town to me. I think I've already mentioned to you I don't need my vote to feel people out, I can do it with my voice. My vote is more a symbol of who seems scummiest.

Seeing how you would respond is part of that.

"I think Isis will be at a scum lean" sounds like justifying a scumread rather than explaining one, speaking of, why aren't you voting me?

those posts are without a doubt within noraas scumrange
agree with taylor, noraa is one of those slots that just gets solved over time.

[PlusJOYED]

@plus i was going somewhere with bottom of 183, can you pls answer

i will someday

[PlusJOYED]

votes on rc:

egotisi

exorcists

taylor

isis

murdercat

of these, I think I like murdercats vote the least. I dislike the swapping, we're out of RVS at this point. they'd be my guess for scum on the wagon but i still wanna pursue xoxelf atm

[PlusJOYED]

No everyone here is definitely right. Plus seems much more well composed this game. And I'm sure its not just me that's noticed this. I think this is either bc he is scum and knows the whole setup so he is pretty relaxed or its just that his game is getting better. Plus is normally somewhat like me .... basically a huge tsunami of confusion and LHF vibes. But this game I see huge improvement and while I want to say its most likely bc he is scum, I also think its very possible that its just his game getting better.

i like to think this
i've done confusion tsunamis before as scum too. I think it depends on the plist

[PlusJOYED]

I'm fine with that answer xofelf, though I'm not convinced by it.

I also feel this way.
When I voted Xofelt, they had 0 votes iirc. How is that opportunistic when I could have easily hopped on another wagon that already had people on it?
I'm not convinced by Xofelt either. Also wallposts tend to lean red for me, it seemed rather edited and thought out defense.

[PlusJOYED]

of these, I think I like murdercats vote the least. I dislike the swapping, we're out of RVS at this point. they'd be my guess for scum on the wagon but i still wanna pursue xoxelf atm

I want to hear more about this, what do you not like about it? I'm being pretty transparent about what I'm doing.

I must've missed it then. I'm in like 4 other games rn and I play mostly on work breaks.
To me your vote was "secret reason", you said some other stuff, then hopped off because it served its purpose. That"s the vote I don't understand.

[PlusJOYED]

No everyone here is definitely right. Plus seems much more well composed this game. And I'm sure its not just me that's noticed this. I think this is either bc he is scum and knows the whole setup so he is pretty relaxed or its just that his game is getting better. Plus is normally somewhat like me .... basically a huge tsunami of confusion and LHF vibes. But this game I see huge improvement and while I want to say its most likely bc he is scum, I also think its very possible that its just his game getting better.

i like to think this
i've done confusion tsunamis before as scum too. I think it depends on the plist

to back this up, i got my first scumgame finished recently
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84069&p=12227354#p12227354

[PlusJOYED]

Oh I was wrong, strongman kills commuter in this setup. Disregard me.

wait what?
i thought commuter was untargetable

[PlusJOYED]

Yeah I used the wiki for my setup knowledge and unless I missed something commuter usually is completely immune.
this looks like tmi from murdercat since I didnt see him ask that anywhere. It's plausible he scumslipped and had asked that in his pt

[PlusJOYED]

Yeah I used the wiki for my setup knowledge and unless I missed something commuter usually is completely immune.
this looks like tmi from murdercat since I didnt see him ask that anywhere. It's plausible he scumslipped and had asked that in his pt

It's in the special rules for the commuter in this setup

oops, I just noticed that myself, sorry

[PlusJOYED]

not a fan of the isis vote

[PlusJOYED]

norwee we've played with scum noraa before
can you elab more on your noraa scumread
peddit: nah there are other reasons too. I feel like RC is flailing a bit rn

[PlusJOYED]

No one defend or sus plus. I don't wish for him to have anything to work off of yet. I want to hear his reply before anyone defends or susses him.

God dammit. I'm mislimed a lot so I'm trying out a different/ safer style.
You want my normal play? Fine.

[PlusJOYED]

Why is this a townslip?

They would have a scum PT

disagree that's easily fakeable. just ask mod for a damn PT.

[PlusJOYED]

not a fan of the isis vote

nah there are other reasons too. I feel like RC is flailing a bit rn

Do you not like the vote because you think I'm flailing or because you don't agree with my reasoning? Both?

i townread isis and didn't like the reasoning. readlist coming soon

[PlusJOYED]

The question isn't really if it *could be* fake, the question is would scum gamma think to fake it?

i've come to resent hydras talking among themselves and asking questions to their heads in public thread regardless. It comes off as Lamisty to me, like they need to have every thought be public. It's also a bit confusing.
I don't mind hydras when they have pt and their heads are pretty in sync. But if they throw their pt in public thread it can get annoying, especially in larger games.
Ideally, they'd ask each other where they wanna go and share reads and once they discuss and finalize reads on a slot for the gamestate, they share them. I get this isn't ideal if they live in different timezones but it makes it much eaiser on all of us.
/rant

[PlusJOYED]

Also, I want to take a look at the people on my wagon. I get why the wagon formed but it was a surprise to me to come back to it mainly because I just wasn't on between posts too much. Plus also mentioned he thought there might be scum on my wagon. This is mainly for me to look at tomorrow deeper because I need to get some sleep now.

Taylor: 9, 152, 276
Exorcists: 17, 128,
egotisi: 31
Isis: 173
MURDERCAT: 178

Getting back to looking at this, I like the Isis vote the least in 173. At the very least, it's against her playstyle of sorting people by talking to them rather than voting as she didn't address me at all and just followed Excorcists vote. I also found their progression to leave the wagon to reaction bait Noraa and then townreading her in 295 was weird. I don't have a problem with their vote on Xofelf to "get them in deeper" but the transition from against Noraa to trying to get them to vote her with throws up some red flags for me.

VOTE: Isis

specifically rc, I disagree with this. in menagerie she did a whole lot of deliberating and talking and questioning as town.

[PlusJOYED]

agree, was about to post. feels bad for mod though.

[PlusJOYED]

@mod, actually does scum have a discord or are they using a pt?

[PlusJOYED]

haunted house gutreads / early reads

murdercat: weak-town. didnt like the rc vote, it came off as lamisty, but i've liked their other stuff. Like up until iso post 36 i was down on town!murdercat. I still am but slightly less, mainly when they started looking at wagonomics.

isis: town. Partial bias here cause menagerie, but I also think this is genuine town!isis I saw in menagerie. Her townreading exorcist also helps my confidence here.

exorcists: town. I think his posts show a town mindset. Like not a single one of his posts i have a problem with.

ego: town. I think his posts show a town mindset. Same reasons as exorcist. No posts I have a problem with.

bm: weak-town. dont like the desperate taylor push this early. Maybe its something he does as town idk. At least I don't think him vs taylor is SvS but I actually get TvT vibes there. Reason why is that their beef seems more based on past games and frustration rather than actual scumhunting but seems too genuine to be SvS this early. So he's less towny than taylor but nulltown because I think him vs Tayl0r is TvT.

side note, I can't believe BM doesn't have an avi and has been here since 2007.

noraa: sus. Can't elaborate much, but I think her push on me comes from a bad place due to meta reasons. Noraa also likes to push aggressively as scum on town.

rc: weak-sus. seems very flaily imo and i get an aura of anxiety from this narwhal and not a fan of the isis vote + entrance, though he could just be nervous town since I've only done 1 newbie game with him.

xoxelf: most sus for reasons i talked about earlier. I wanna pursue this for now.

dunnstral: neutral. He's thrown out a lot of reasons why someone could be scum and tried to shut down reads from my understanding upon iso look. Not a fan, but I don't strongly disagree with any of their points either, so I have to place him in neutral

Tswift: weak town read. I think the reaction to the bm push comes from frustrated town. Their play reminds me a bit of 2163.

jewels: weak town. Iso seems rather towny upon reread and mod response mildly implies they are town (think it was a mod slip).

cobra: very weak town. Liked his fast readlist, I believe that comes from a townie more likely. But with 8 posts and most of them NAI im still kinda unsure.

[PlusJOYED]

In terms of ranking from town to scum, I'd say something like:

ego > exorcist > isis > jewels > tswift > murdercat > bm > cobra > dunnstral > rc > noraa > xofelf

[PlusJOYED]

xoxelf

I does feel like you are doing it on purpose now, and is kind of rude imo

im not i just don't get the name
imma just them X

[PlusJOYED]

I find it interesting that Plus's readlist has exactly 3 scum and most everyone else is town. I'm not sure what to make of it yet, but I wanted to being that up for discussion. It might be a bit, crafted?

not intentionally
I wanna go for one of those 3 slots today but I might be townreading scum

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: PlusJOYED

I think I'd rather be voting with Dunnstral, Gamma, and Noraa than Plus, Taylor, and Isis right now

Also I think xofelf has been fine and that Plus readlist just seems a bit off to me.

what is with these wagonomics?
i dont like this post at all. You've been wagon hopping really hard. Like your voting not who you think is scum, but voting who you think is more towny to sheep with. Like it's hard to see this play coming from town.

[PlusJOYED]

so you agree with my post and dont agree with murdercat?

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: PlusJOYED

I think I'd rather be voting with Dunnstral, Gamma, and Noraa than Plus, Taylor, and Isis right now

Also I think xofelf has been fine and that Plus readlist just seems a bit off to me.

thats what the first half of this post says to me

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: PlusJOYED

I think I'd rather be voting with Dunnstral, Gamma, and Noraa than Plus, Taylor, and Isis right now

Also I think xofelf has been fine and that Plus readlist just seems a bit off to me.

thats what the first half of this post says to me

I am getting more town pings from the people I am currently voting with than the people I was voting with.
I have gotten more scum pings from the people I was voting with compared to the people I am currently voting with.

I don't want to make any strong claims about that and it wouldn't have been enough to move my vote on it's own. Your readlist and my lack of a xofelf scum read played a larger role.

i see. I guess that's fine I just don't see the problem with my readlist or see town X.

[PlusJOYED]

do you not TR ego? Honestly his whole iso felt towny. If you insist I can pick some but I'd rather not put in the effort since theres no pressure on ego.

another flaw in your idea is that it's a bad idea to draw more attention to myself with say a readlist if I'm being pressured. If I was scum, I'd lurk and have my partners cause a distraction to derail my wagon.

[PlusJOYED]

Noraa is usually this agressive as scum
in anthropods she was much more passive

[PlusJOYED]

I still don't think your push comes from town

[PlusJOYED]

no

[PlusJOYED]

no

Im kinda done with this. if ur town, ur not trying to cooperate or solve. You cant provide any reasons to support absolutely anything. You couldn't explain a TR that should be pretty easy to explain to murder and you couldn't explain ur SR on me to me. ou won't put in the minimum effort and make/adjust reads as needed. You have a playstyle thats hard to read but that doesnt mean u can do whatever you want. I've seen you put more effort in before but ur not even trying here. I think you are scum and even if ur not, town is gonna mislim u sometime this game for this play because its confusing, hard to read, and overall scummy. Better to mislim day 1 and clear out the setup than to mislim in limlo and lose the game. Plus if ur town, I want a readslist with all of the players who you are confident are a certain alignment with a solid paragraph on why ASAP. You dont have to include everyone. In fact just including like 3 people is fine as long as they are well justified. Do this and I'll think about caving because I know very well you are generally somewhat like this. Show me you are town. I am tired and annoyed of mislimming you. Work with me. Otherwise if this is a mislim, its not on me this time and you cannot guilt me into not voting you out in future games because it was you that didn't want to cooperate. A readslist is by no means hard and one thats only requesting 3+ people in it should be very easy.

holy shit
theres a reason why I can't elaborate my read. Think about it.
Secondly, it irritates me that you would think im being lazy here and not cooperating. I'm not just playing this game, and I don't wanna make mafia my whole life. The pool of effort I put into this game is finite, and when you asked, I'd just spent like half an hour iso diving and sorting people for my readlist while at my work break and having just read 40 pages of a mess of another game.

[PlusJOYED]

I was also surprised to see a Noraa vote at the end of the wall!

this got a chuckle out of me. this forum needs like a way to react to posts

[PlusJOYED]

@mod: I don't think you answered MURDERCAT, does the banshee ability generate unique kill flavor?

they did im pretty sure

[PlusJOYED]

I 100% believe scum!plus would say something like that.

Based on what though, he has no completed scum games right?

i have 1 where i replaced into a shitty spot and died very fast

[PlusJOYED]

Lot of modspew this game. This is why mods should just refrain from commenting on anything game-related if possible.

-Lance

i think they're doing their best and thats what counts

[PlusJOYED]

coming back to my wagon falling off was a pleasant suprise.
i do think I wanna pursue X or Noraa today. I personally think X is a bit more scummy, but I've come around to Isis more recently and trust her reads. Isis townreading X puts me in a weird spot but I've been known to be privy to confbias as town. I also think Noraa seems more likely to happen so if nothing else it'll save my behind. I'll swap here.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Noraa

[PlusJOYED]

noraa flipped like 3 times in a monolgue

[PlusJOYED]

out of town, vla until Monday

[PlusJOYED]

what would you say is the most solvey thing you've done, Noraa

I've tried to solve multiple slots. I've tried to solve plus and you for the most part. Cobra isnt even someone I'm really trying too much to solve. I just dislike some things about them is all.

lamist here

[PlusJOYED]

Spoiler:

Don't use ongoing games as the basis for your read then hint vaguely at it in the game thread while never explaining anything, it NEVER goes well for you

ah he can't explain because its ongoing?
that's bullshit. ongoing = no reason at all.
ongoing also = easy way to make it seem like ur solving when ur fucking not.

I am his strongest SR yet the only evidence he has is an ongoing game?
No. If I was the strongest SR that deserves the vote(which is on me in case anyone missed that), he will have more reason that just "ohh ongoing game whoopsie can't say why"

I can understand using ongoing games to judge someone and not being able to elaborate but if ur vote is on someone, u cannot fucking brush it off and be like "nope got no reasons that I can tell u cuz the games ongoing"

No. fucking no. if your only reason is one singular game in general(tiny tiny sample size), that reason is already absolute garbage.

not to mention hiding behind a site rule to not elaborate on a read.

If I am a top SR, u literally cannot not provide a single reason. There is no way a reason based 100% on meta and one singular game can be good. You will provide a reason for SRing me otherwise I will literally death tunnel you

plus you better give me a damn reason otherwise I am pushing you to hell and back for not being able to defend a single read and for throwing shade at me for no literal reason.

as others have stated i can't go hard in depth cuz site rules. But you love tunneling elimable slots like me as scum and I've never seen you tunnel like this as town. You also come off as lamisty to me

[PlusJOYED]

upsetti spaghetti Noraa is currently present in the chat

Spoiler:

cute bear at least

[PlusJOYED]

I feel like I've totally lost the thread of this game, I need to do some iso dives. Where is xofelf?

hmmmmm
how probable is it that they dipped as soon as the spotlight turned away from them?

[PlusJOYED]

anyway. lemme skim some iso's.

i originally voted for canadian because posts like 10 and 18 were giving me a distinct gut-scummy vibe of "i am posting things to appear active and/or helpful while not actually doing anything" (which was a mistake i made in a scumgame semi-recently which stuck to me) and i wanted to see if that would continue. it did not. i've already said why i disliked 478. the read on isis is, in a vacuum, *fine*. the rest of it is like, meh. i wanna see what he brings out once he returns.

xof i still think could be the easy and correct answer for scum, but my other head is telling me they're low-hanging-fruit. i think i'm interested in their read on gamma though, seems like there's meta there.

i've already spoken a bit about jewels in 146/316 and like... norwee is giving me the same vibes he did when i was playing scum against him. like, the closest he has to a read is 394, which like. it's bad. granted, i don't know how to read gamma, but nothing he's done or posted so far is like, jumping out at me or saying ~town~, so.

my current hot take: VOTE: jewel barons

-tisi

this is really lazy but
this guy has a way talking and thinking that makes me feel safe and that he's town naturally.
I'm setting up a townblock with me, exorcist, egotisi and isis. I trust their judgment.

[PlusJOYED]

I’m a little concerned the question has to be asked.

Have you not played with or in a hydra before?

tinfoil
this is a boonskiies alt

also I should mention my trip out of town was good, I visited some friends and family other side of Missouri. I also generally don't like playing mafia a lot on weekends.

[PlusJOYED]

this is very much noraas scum meta.

that's what I started to notice too
Town Noraa didn't push this hard.

[PlusJOYED]

Don't use ongoing games as the basis for your read then hint vaguely at it in the game thread while never explaining anything, it NEVER goes well for you

ah he can't explain because its ongoing?
that's bullshit. ongoing = no reason at all.
ongoing also = easy way to make it seem like ur solving when ur fucking not.

this frustration feels manufactured to me. Like gamma said, the response was too strong for what it was and I feel like Noraa has been doing this a lot

[PlusJOYED]

like first off, plus has played a full game with scum!me before. In fact neither Taylor nor norwee have played a full game with me(Taylor's I replaced in and Norwees is ongoing)

i asked them cause my read was from an ongoing game

[PlusJOYED]

Is there anyone who is reading town on BM right now? If so, please explain

me sort of. it was in readlist.

Idk though. I'm of the mind that BM's tunnel on taylor is either him being a dick or trolling. I had to ask myself just now "I scumread noraa a bit more from her illogical tunnel on me, but I didn't SR BM for his illogical tunnel on Taylor. Why is that?"
It might be omgus + meta read on Noraa and other things she did with confbias, but I'm a bit unsure now. I guess my gut just says BM vs Taylor is TvT cause it started so early and I didn't like any of the points made.

[PlusJOYED]

as others have stated i can't go hard in depth cuz site rules. But you love tunneling elimable slots like me as scum and I've never seen you tunnel like this as town. You also come off as lamisty to me

AtE does not work on me plus.

That's not AtE. At least not intential AtE from me. I just know my start was pretty bad so that makes me elimable.

[PlusJOYED]

Town Noraa didn't push this hard.

If you think this is true you should see the last day of Roses

hmmmm i hate reading other games so I'll take your word for it.
The tunnel wasn't day 1 though was it?

[PlusJOYED]

caught up. One thing I noticed is that early on multiple people were keen on me vs Noraa being scum, but either switched off the idea or moved their vote elsewhere. Why is that?

[PlusJOYED]

yes

[PlusJOYED]

in that case, why are half the people voting outside me vs Noraa? I'm confused as to why that's happening.

[PlusJOYED]

This is why tunnels are often bad for town
Upon reread Taylor has been acting kinda weird after start of the game. Like they've been very bloodthirsty I'd say and have flopped quite a bit + active lurking imo.

[PlusJOYED]

I liked some of ur case on bm murder and some of it I didn't like. I agree him dropping taylor and then flopping a lot has been weird but I think you've been flopping too murdercat.
I've been liking cobra more.

[PlusJOYED]

I'm with Taylor on X being scum. I do think the RC wagon falling apart doesn't mean much since it formed in RVS

[PlusJOYED]

I'm not voting day 1:
egotisi
jewels
taylor
isis
cobra
exorcists

big maybe: bm, murdercat, Dunn, or RC

Prefered: X or Noraa

[PlusJOYED]

actually I think I'd rather not go bm or murdercat today either after some more thought.
Murder, I can tell your pretty antsy and that feels genuine, and fail to see why you'd feel antsy as scum.
I disagree with you moving around but I think your town.

[PlusJOYED]

I do agree murdercat is looking to talk to people. More likely doing so as town

[PlusJOYED]

I'd be interested in some links.

ancient anthropods newbie
im lazy rn

[PlusJOYED]

UNVOTE:

Exorcist + gamma is good enough for me to unvote, obviously its not going anywhere

the fact that you seem to base a lot of your pushes on gamestate rubs me the wrong way
"oh this wagon won't take off immediately? Time to unvote"
At least that's how I feel you've been playing.

[PlusJOYED]

Gamma - who are your top 2 scumreads?

Plus is definitely my top scumread but I can’t really say what my second strongest is rn. I’ve felt like MCat, Noraa, and you have been scummy at times.

-GAMMA

that's news to me
why am i your top scumread?

[PlusJOYED]

I'm also not supporting a taylor elim today

[PlusJOYED]

Wait, no it doesn't. I think these are good reasons to suspect Taylor so I'm confused as to why Noraa doesn't want to join the wagon. And unless I'm mistaken, the Plus tunnel was based on meta too -- quite suspicious.

not exactly the same thing. Taylor is scummy due to meta but plus is not only scummy bc of meta. he also fails to provide reasons for his SRs and TRs. That has nothing to do with meta.

this is a blatant misrep

[PlusJOYED]

[egotisi, Taylor] is where I'd like to go today. Getting slight cold feet about Noraa, I guess.

The Alice-head is my favourite from the Exorcists

I like you too, Battle Mage.

—Alice

I will vote egotisi

Murdercat, not sure what you need from me. If you're not already thinking about voting me, you can decide on another elim without my input

VOTE: Egotisi

I glanced over the rest of the thread, Bm is still tunneling Taylor, tone can be either alignment, the rest of the posts in thread don't really matter. I agree that Murdercat looks like town

why ego?

[PlusJOYED]

i also totally missed bm saying they had an idea of what Noraa's role is, thanks for bringing that up @murder
I don't wanna go murder day 1 at least either cause they are high efforting probably the most and trying to drive the game forward, though some of the moves they've made feel very questionable

anyway, bm saying that confused me, because I thought I had a good idea of what bm's role was, but if I had to guess it'd seem like what he thinks Noraa's role is is what I think his role is, which would make me wrong. so I might need to revaluate bm.

But shit, this is all very sensitive stuff and I don't want to out a pr by mistake, so I don't wanna discuss it too much. just know i think i need to re evaluate bm.

[PlusJOYED]

i don't wanna go taylor but isis and exorcist going there (2/3 my 3 big town reads) is giving me second thoughts

[PlusJOYED]

I recently went and meta dived Plus some more and I've decided that I want to drop the SR on him for a bit.

hmmm
i consider this mostly nai but probably townie
i hope you aren't scum lol

[PlusJOYED]

Nah Cat, coming to the thread cuz I actually have effort I can be active instead of passive on MS things rn. I post when I got the brain to articulate things.

If people wanna push on egotisi, that's their business. I have absolutely no read on the slot whatsoever. They're not contributing anything one way or another, but at least it's not actively bad. I know I haven't been doing all that much either, but I'm trying as best I can.

i think this is scum

[PlusJOYED]

ah fk, i'm dead then lol

why do you want TP on you?

[PlusJOYED]

Like I kinda hope town!Noraa was getting at the (stuff I can't discuss) about my read on her so untunneled cuz of that. But I'm also paranoid she decided the tunnel wasn't worth it or gonna work so she's gonna kill me as vig or mafia.
I will say if I die tonight it doesn't 100% indicate Noraa scum but it'd be worth reexamining the slot.

[PlusJOYED]

my balls to the wall solve is....

Taylor-Noraa-Xofelf

lets go x today then
i dont wanna go ego

[PlusJOYED]

caught up
i hope Norwee is okay
I really don't like how quick the ego wagon formed. Decent chance of scum on it I think. That increases if Noraa flips red.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: X

[PlusJOYED]

i'll go back on noraa if needed

[PlusJOYED]

ok
VOTE: Noraa E1

[PlusJOYED]

Idk what to tell you. I may be quacking like a duck and walking like a duck, but I swear I'm a goose.

"i may look like scum but im not i swear"

[PlusJOYED]

agree with infinity, i think they're capable of that as scum

[PlusJOYED]

hmm we are in a very unusual position here: i actually like both of the main wagons, and could easily see noraa or xof flipping scum here. the problem is, what are the odds that both the leading day 1 wagon and the counterwagon are on scum? almost 0. i think this suggests that noraa is scum with egotisi, but fuck me if im seriously trying to do VCA

agree that I think one of the wagons is scum and one town most definitely
I'm kind of leaning X scum more since X hasn't really been protown but the wagon has been constantly struggling whereas Noraa's took off pretty easily

[PlusJOYED]

I'm not totally opposed to a noraa flip since it'll convince me of scum X if Noraa flips town. I'm down to switch if we can get votes for X; I just think it'll be harder and we're on a timer

[PlusJOYED]

1389 logic is actually why you should think taylor is scum

the wagon on me isnt taking off because youre the only one who scumreads me and your case is "but shes scum tho"

this

[PlusJOYED]

im getting cold feet on noraa
I wanna go X
UNVOTE:
VOTE: X

[PlusJOYED]

I don't want to claim and will be pretty salty to have to claim today.

alright, your call then.

i'm fine to flip noraa and end the day now. doesn't feel like we're getting anywhere else fast.

question. You said you had a good idea of what Noraas role is earlier, but now you want her blood?
What did you think Noraa's role was?

[PlusJOYED]

bm im curious of what noraa is too but like you haven't helped town at all this game
peddit What the fuck bm are you fucking with me right now
I'm doing the opposite. Your rolefishing

[PlusJOYED]

You guys realize scum has a roleblocker and rolecop right?
we don't want to out PRs if we can help it since for scum it narrows rolecop target and they can roleblock pr claims to get them killed

[PlusJOYED]

l do seriously suspect Xof or Noraa is red.
if nothing else Noraa has been helpful for scumhunting where X has not
peddit: there are different kinds of PRs, and we know scum has different tools to deal with each.

[PlusJOYED]

That said, I think there is a decent chance that town Noraa is actually vanilla here and is hinting anyway, so that's why I want her to just commit one way or the other

no are you kidding thats exactly why she shouldnt commit either way

yeah
what the hell Murder/BM

[PlusJOYED]

BM me asking you for what you think someones role is is not rolefishing
you going so hard to get Noraa to claim is rolefishing

[PlusJOYED]

I've elected to ignore everything BM says from here on out as he's claimed the VI slot. Hopefully scum kills them

[PlusJOYED]

Taylor has gone up in my townreads too.

[PlusJOYED]

we kill xof. If X flips red Noraa is probably clear, if X flips green we kill Noraa

[PlusJOYED]

we kill them. I'd dayvig them right now if I could
I stated how I didn't like how easily Noraa's wagon picked up when she was acting like a nicer BM imo, whereas I've wanted X's wagon to take off but has failed

[PlusJOYED]

hmmmm if zof was scum, they could just claim an important pr and either get cc'ed in which case that important pr dies that night or survive for a long time if no cc.

the scum know what prs there are so they could easily claim a pr no one has

[PlusJOYED]

i do think noraa would reveal a lot at least. If Noraa red im pretty sure the team is Noraa/Ego/Taylor in an alternate universe.
I don"t think we're in that world.

[PlusJOYED]

funny enough noraa claiming VT has made me more sus of them

[PlusJOYED]

like i think she stalled it out to get a general consensus for what claim would be best. People liked the idea of Noraa VT and people townread X for a VT claim so she went with that

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: noraa

[PlusJOYED]

agree with infinity
i feel very out of sync for people seeing a vt claim then backing off

[PlusJOYED]

Besides the whole townslip thing she tried to pull, and I’m pretty sure she’s playing up the “overeager newbie who didn’t know better” card.

Pedit
Well yes but you don’t want to trade for it d1

And you’re discounting the possibility she is the strongman lol. Even if not, iirc scum picked the blocker too?

yeah
she did this before in doggos

[PlusJOYED]

i wouldn't be opposed to a bm flip either

[PlusJOYED]

you acted newbie to deflect suspension is what i meant

[PlusJOYED]

I don't want to flip datisi.
and the reason is stupid asf but imma say it anyways.
I liked him trying to read into me and find a town!noraa. I was being heavily SRed and am really partial to people that said I was town :/
not helpful at all but if someone makes a case on datisi, I'm willing to read it and if I truly agree, I will vote there. Otherwise, I think we need a new wagon.

Also Zofelf claimed vt. If town has a motion detector they should try to verify if Zofelf is truly vt. If there is a MD, that might stop zofelf from ever doing night actions out of fear of getting checked so that's a plus. Then again, I also claimed vt so ig from everyone else's pov, likely should keep an eye on me as well.

this a very manufactured "townslip"

[PlusJOYED]

Is there even a town role that has MD powers in this setup? How do you know that scum know the powers but not what powers can exist in the setup Noraa?
I think that might be a scumslip?

there is not a motion detector in this setup
agree

[PlusJOYED]

agree with cobra
peddit: gamma scum are informed of what prs there are
so i think she said that thinking we'd consider it a townslip to feed into her "town newbie" trap. Theres too much thought in there to be accidental and motion detector doesn't even fit with the flavor

[PlusJOYED]

yeah noraa is at e3 i just counted

[PlusJOYED]

you've sheeped people all game murder

[PlusJOYED]

yes i have made a slight miscalculation wrt the queue. im currently alive in 11 games. i might be a little disengaged from all of them until i start to die or they start to end. apologies. im gonna do my best to keep up and stay engaged though. but 11 games is... kinda a lot.

11 holy shit
most i can do is 4. after that I start to drop off hard.

[PlusJOYED]

I'm a lil scared taylor is pocketing me but its so blatant i dont think thats the case
I wanna townblock with them against battle mage
I'm honestly null on battle mage he's just hurting my enjoyment of the game

[PlusJOYED]

yo
VOTE: egotisi

[PlusJOYED]

no i wanna go ego today i changed my mind on them

[PlusJOYED]

ok
I got a guilty on egotisi, that"s why I want them today

[PlusJOYED]

as in a guilty cop result

[PlusJOYED]

reason I chose ego was because I thought X was at least reading genuine. Could come from scum but maybe not.
A post I liked I think murdercat said was that noraa's and X's wagons got a boost when people started going ego, so maybe I was wrong on them
turns out I was

[PlusJOYED]

I actually thought bm was an angel but he was just a vt lol
like he was trying to get killed

[PlusJOYED]

and yeah, I can check taylor if i'm not roleblocked or dead. But I probably will be

[PlusJOYED]

I'm fine with either
idk if there's a rolestopper/healer this game but I have put a target on myself.

[PlusJOYED]

the strongman is inactive today
hopefully ego is the roleblocker. if not I'll likely be blocked

[PlusJOYED]

UNVOTE:

[PlusJOYED]

I gave it some more thought and since scum know the roles town have I figured I'd be honest.
I'm a Witch Hunter.
I think it'd be better to save my track until later. But I'm not confident enough to shoot someone, and I don't wanna mess up town now :/
Maybe it'd be worth doing a tally so I can avoid responsibility? Theres also a high chance I'm just roleblocked.

[PlusJOYED]

yay im alive
Unfortunately my taylor shot was off. Oh well.
I'm thinking inno on dunn, guilty on isis maybe?

[PlusJOYED]

Yeah I'm a WH and we have 2 dead WH. 1 maf kill, 3 dead bodies, and I'm guessing me and 1 other WH shot someone and the third was rbed.

[PlusJOYED]

agree with murders list.
I don't know if X is the other solve though.
I'm thinking ego/isis/?
where ? can be X, infinity, or gamma. I think murder is town.

town started with 8 points, so there should be one more 2 point role left

[PlusJOYED]

or i guess 2 commuters. but seems unlikely

[PlusJOYED]

i doubt we have a 4th joat
no crumbs i can see either and there must be at least 1 protective to justify strongman
I think we have a healer or 2 commuters.

[PlusJOYED]

we for sure kill isis today (sorry I liked playing with you too)

[PlusJOYED]

hmmm
i think this is an attempt to draw out a CC sorry isis

[PlusJOYED]

Leaning still towards Isis/xofelf but let's at least hear a claim

agree
1795 feels like an agenda push/isis bus. I wanna hear from gamma and infinity too though
peddit: isis 100%

[PlusJOYED]

I'm also gonna say I'm mildly annoyed they have 3 powers and a mafia goon.
I still have my track and I hope isis is the roleblocker. I'll target X tonight. Hopefully healer on me.

[PlusJOYED]

or i guess 2 commuters. but seems unlikely

why commuters?

-2 points left for town
-almost 100% chance we have a protective cause strongman
-rolestopper shield blocks strongman, so unlikely
cop, vig, have 3 points, thats too many
a joat would have crumbed or shot and isn't a protective
-angel isn't protective
-strongman kills commuter

that leaves: 2 commuters (each only have 5% chance to appear so unlikely), 1 commuter 1 rolestopper (unlikely to justify strongman), or healer (biggest chance)

driving home from gym ill be back in a bit

[PlusJOYED]

I’m confused about who killed cobra, I think we massclaim?

I had a whole case written up on isis but I guess we’ll be boring and do the mech solve thing

i would say no need to massclaim

[PlusJOYED]

Ok maybe exorcists shot cobra. Then we have 1 other 2-power role, assuming plus is town. So healer, angel, or a fourth WH. I guess they don’t have to claim if they don’t have results, though an angel claim might help us PoE things down.

i think exorcists shot cobra. I almost shot cobra too but changed my mind. I was thinking that cobra fake crumbed start of day since there can't be 2 WH but I checked and that was wrong.

[PlusJOYED]

Unless we have a 4th WH:

Plus shoots Taylor
Exorcists shoot cobra
Scum kill exorcists

Not sure what cobra’s result was, but I want isis today nonetheless. Exorcists probably inno’d dunn but idk

that'd make no sense. why would they pick strongman then? they could of gotten avenger or something better for 4 joats

[PlusJOYED]

I staunchly believe Isis should be flipped today. I was thinking about it overnight and my gut is insisting she has to be scum.

VOTE: Isis

Pedit
No.

this post murder.
i thought since cobra implied I was a cop, and thought we didn't have duplicates, he'd have to be maf. but i was wrong and changed my mind. I could see exorcists making that mistake.

[PlusJOYED]

the wiki states that maf can"t have duplicates. i thought that'd go for town too but guess not

[PlusJOYED]

I do think cobra had a guilty on isis, probably wasn't expecting to die so he wanted to get a track off.

too many deaths + roleblocker for that to be the case
I'm pretty sure:

I shot Taylor

Cobra tries to shoot but gets rbed?

Exorcists shoots cobra

Exorcists killed by maf (probably was rolecopped n1)

healer heals ???

something like that. Isis fakeclaiming healer means maf don't know who healer is, so they can maybe rb me and kill healer is what they want. That"s my impression of the gamestate at least

[PlusJOYED]

they probably tried to but was roleblocked.
peddit: yeah

[PlusJOYED]

if they don't find healer, they rb me but have to kill someone else. thats way worse for maf than kill me rb healer or vice versa. its a pretty big thing knowing who the healer is, so i dont think they should claim.

peddit: yeah I think X has a pretty high chance of being third scum.

[PlusJOYED]

murder, if cobra didnt crumb cop on isis, and did that just from reread, he threw. He didnt give any alternatives either. I dont think he threw.

[PlusJOYED]

where I'm at:

me: basically confirmed. got cop guilty and vig shot off.
dunn: high chance of being confirmed.
isis: basically confirmed scum

unconfirmeds, from towniest to scummiest
murder > infinity > gamma > X

[PlusJOYED]

Maybe isis is strongman?

it'd be funny if isis was goon too
and the last was a strongman rolecop roleblocker multitasking monster

[PlusJOYED]

im actually still in disbelief I'm alive
I love being kinda conftown

[PlusJOYED]

Please don't say "just lim the guilty". Like that unnecessarily adds to the frustration of getting mislimmed for stuff totally independent of all the play I put into the game.
Pick some other way to describe it please.

sorry i we were on the same team again :c

[PlusJOYED]

if you wind up being town we can yell at cobra together in dead thread <3

[PlusJOYED]

I think isis is understandably very upset that scum got fucked by 2 cop guilties.

on the flip side vigs killed 2 townies. it is what it is.

[PlusJOYED]

Anyways, I'm a trickster, one of plusjoyed and isis are lying.

oh
huh

[PlusJOYED]

Ok come back soon <3

I think plus scum fake guilty is unlikely to say the least.

yeah
weird how its being questioned tbh.
if I was scum faking something, that'd mean scum would've let 2 vig shots go off when they have a roleblocker and rolecop. And I would've had scumteam block cobra for the soft.

ego was also in a decent position. not great but not awful. not worth faking a guilty in an open setup.

[PlusJOYED]

I'm not sure what to make of the commuter claim.
I find it very odd that isis would fakeclaim an impossible role to find a target who can only protect themselves around 1/4th of the time given strongman. that"s pretty weak.

maybe she wanted to draw out a rolestopper? that'd make more sense

[PlusJOYED]

Flip isis, protective on me if there is one, I'll track X since that's the poe target.

are we ready to end the day? I've said all I think I need to say and I have a strong chance of dying

[PlusJOYED]

god this game is such a damn headache

ikr
i've read the wiki page like 3 times and I still miss stuff like this.
well yeah guess that means im dead tonight then. it is what it is.

[PlusJOYED]

I'm getting impatient. I refuse to let isis flip this back on me when I'm conftown, and I'm getting worried this is even a discussion when isis's case against me is "i got a guilty result on a maf and faked a vig".

Let's ponder the possibility of scum!joyed

Reminder that to do that, I'd of had to superhard bus my partner day 2 (I hate bussing but coming from me that means little. No snitching) when I could've just sat back and let "town" isis get mislimmed. Additionally, the undead are informed of their accession points and what roles exist according to the wiki. They are not informed of precise numbers of each role. I claimed WH day 2, a role I'd have known to exist already as scum at the start. People expect me to shoot someone or be roleblocked night 2. There are many scenarios where I'd fall apart there and only thing I'd of had accomplished was eliming me and a scumbuddy. I'd of had to makeup a kill target, a reason for the kill, and hope the real vig was dead. That's insane.
Finally, I'd of had 2 partners. Who here, hypothetically as my scumbuddy, would have no problems with the above plan and volunteer to die day 2? I don't know a single player that'd be ok with that.

I'll be exceptionally disappointed if you listen to her over me when I got a cop guilty and a vig kill. That's like as conftown as you can get in this setup. Let's get this mafia then let me die. I have faith you can get the last one without powers.

VOTE: isis

[PlusJOYED]

you're right. Just because it won't be helpful to me in the dirt doesn't mean it won't be helpful to discuss more for you guys. I'm just paranoid/impatient of this going wrong

UNVOTE:

[PlusJOYED]

I don't wanna go x today. I think infinity and murder are town but I could see {gamma, isis} as the team.

[PlusJOYED]

also commuter is only one point. So if dunn is telling the truth (I think he is given exorcists soft) then there must be either another commuter or a rolestopper.
I think if we have another commuter it might be worth claiming but a rolestopper should stay quiet.

One other possibility I thought of is that dunn went invisible n1 and exorcists copped him, getting no result, so it's possible that he would be mafia and gotten rolestopped instead. The problem with that that though is that wiki says witch hunter doesn't lose abilites when roleblocked or targeting a commuter. So, if he did get a no result on dunn, he'd have no reason to vig since he would have still had his cop. And 3 people died.

[PlusJOYED]

it is possible. If they knew of just WH and commuter (and maybe rolestopper), and that they had 5 points to use, that definitely explains the strongman. They'd have to realize there would be mulitple WH's and/or commuters. If they had 6 I'd be very surprised they wouldn't go for a godfather.
peddit: I could see him assuming the no result was inno. Just less likely

[PlusJOYED]

i like being able to do this setup analysis in open games.

[PlusJOYED]

I think rolestopper hiding means less now that I know they don't block normal kills
It is worth hiding, in case they strongman me for some reason. But we don't have a healer so I don't see why they would. I won't be able to report my track once I'm dead

[PlusJOYED]

I really don’t like how Plus has been reading both egotisi (Town for “the same reason as exorcists” despite not feeling similar at all to me at that time, then pivoting late into D1 into an ego scumread that is based on Noras flipping red still), and I also don’t like how he says Noraa red flip implicates ego and then voted xofelf. Mechanically PlusJOYED’s play is whatever, but his day play does not feel genuinely town to me at all
Honestly I don’t even think Isis flipping scum will 100% convince me of him being town. There’s still one thing playing on my mind that bothers me about what’s going on here.

i feel misrepped, I'll search my iso hold on

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: Infinity 324
I reviewed his ISO and his progression on ego led him to think ego was Town D2 pre-guilty HOW? In addition I am suuuuuper bothered by how confident his MCat read developed
Like, I think he has been softing cop/WH since the start of the game, but he seems to have checked MCat over me? Despite having posting D1 that looks way more like crumbing a check on me vs. MCat? He also didn’t speak on MCat at all D2, so unless he did that N2, which still doesn’t check out with how he’s interacted with me, then I really think his play hasn’t lined up with what he’s softing at all.
And I’m a commuter myself so like, 2 of the claimed PRs have to be scum ime, and I feel like Plus and Infinity have both acted scummy by day, and Infinity’s supposed night play fails to match up with my expectations of him. Isis may be “guiltied” but it could have just been a tracker result, Infinity meanwhile is softing a cop shot on a target I think he never checks as town.

wait
wtf are you on, that makes 0 sense
you're why are you not going isis when we have a cop guilty on her I don't understand

[PlusJOYED]

Yeah I said if noraa is red ego is probably on their team by association. But Noraa was green.
I thought I was pretty sure on X scum, and originally was gonna cop them. But then I thought more about wagonomics and gamestate and went ego instead. Mainly based on what was said about X's and Noraa's wagons getting a push when Ego wagon picked up. From that pov, it"d make less sense to bus a scum partner to protect a scumpartner.
I'm kinda baffled at how anyone can think I'm scum at this point.

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: Infinity 324
I reviewed his ISO and his progression on ego led him to think ego was Town D2 pre-guilty HOW? In addition I am suuuuuper bothered by how confident his MCat read developed
Like, I think he has been softing cop/WH since the start of the game, but he seems to have checked MCat over me? Despite having posting D1 that looks way more like crumbing a check on me vs. MCat? He also didn’t speak on MCat at all D2, so unless he did that N2, which still doesn’t check out with how he’s interacted with me, then I really think his play hasn’t lined up with what he’s softing at all.
And I’m a commuter myself so like, 2 of the claimed PRs have to be scum ime, and I feel like Plus and Infinity have both acted scummy by day, and Infinity’s supposed night play fails to match up with my expectations of him. Isis may be “guiltied” but it could have just been a tracker result, Infinity meanwhile is softing a cop shot on a target I think he never checks as town.

2 of claimed are not scum holy shit dude. Maaaaaaath
We have 8 points
2 dead WH's = 4 points
dunn commuter = 1 point
gamma commuter = 1 point
isis healer = 2 point
me WH = 2 point
So most likely 1 of those claims is fake, not 2

[PlusJOYED]

I think if we have another claim or CC let's get it out now

[PlusJOYED]

._.
What the hell is going on

[PlusJOYED]

if you copped taylor
your only "crumb" post is very odd???

[PlusJOYED]

yeah cobra had to have a guilty
I'm very confused by this claim. People were suggesting I shoot Taylor end of day 2, why did you not say anything?

[PlusJOYED]

again, I thought cobra was sus too. He was my first choice to shoot but I wavered.

[PlusJOYED]

man this revelation has made me very confused.
I'm not sure you're town anymore murder. Before I was very sure.

[PlusJOYED]

ok so maf knew at most there was healer, commuter, and WH
but isis is very likely scum so probably just WH and commuter
they don't know the distribution

[PlusJOYED]

yeah at the very least we know the 2 scum are in the 4 living claims
I think dunn is clear and isis is scum
I'm tiwn
So it has to be murder, isis?

[PlusJOYED]

isis being scum leaves us with 10 points, that's still too many
peddit no no no no. why are you backtracking dunn inno?

[PlusJOYED]

I think Plus is just new BM and I think new players overrate PRs

you made this post but didn't want to reveal yourself to save a confirmed inno townie? When MULTIPLE people were telling me to shoot Taylor after I said I wanted town to decide?

There's just no way

[PlusJOYED]

Ok
the solve is murder/isis
gg
lets kill isis then i'll be dead
VOTE: isis

[PlusJOYED]

why is dunn more likely to have fakeclaimed than gamma?

[PlusJOYED]

dunn is very likely cleared cuz exorcists soft

[PlusJOYED]

what happens is:

we elim scum isis
I die tonight most likely. Especially if isis is roleblocker
If I don't die or get rbed somehow I clear one of the commuter claims
that leaves gamma, murder, X, infinity, and dunn to solve 1 scum slot

we'll know that the scum is in dunn, gamma, or murder
dunn is basically cleared cuz cop soft
so just elim both murder and gamma to win
We're in a very good spot, this should be in the bag for us.

[PlusJOYED]

let's ask mod if we know how many points we have. From my understanding you have to use all 6 points as scum if there were 9 townpoints.

[PlusJOYED]

oh ok
so you think dunn is vt then?

[PlusJOYED]

oh
this is kind of a bizzare game.