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Noraa ze/zirfluffy tsunamize/zir
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u be missing out then.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
Come play Guess that Scummer OR ELSE-
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Trendall Mafia Scum
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- Location: UK
It wasn't 'contrived'. If you perceive it this way then there's nothing I can do about that, there's nothing I can do to actually engage you.In post 204, Glitch wrote:a contrived reason-
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Trendall Mafia Scum
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- Location: UK
So this is the crux of the problem for me, the guy's way of playing this game is going 'mafia act like this, and town act like this', and in reality people act in all different ways irrespective of their alignment due to personality styles and play styles and whatever else. So I know already, if I don't 'act right', he's going to think I'm mafia, and if I do make any attempt to 'act right' he'll accuse me of contriving reasons and so forth, he's completely inconsistent with what he wants from me. So I'm just stuck here, aren't I? There's nothing I can do about it other than hope that if I get lynched the other players in the game are capable of interpreting what's happened.In post 192, Glitch wrote:If he truly thought I were scum, he would engage me, ask me question, poke around, and then case me. But he doesn't.-
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Trendall Mafia Scum
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Again, no I didn't, I just needed to say what I actually think, and then it's this guy's responsibility to be able to interpret what I think correctly and how or if that relates to my alignment, which he has failed to do.In post 201, Glitch wrote:But then when called on it you needed to look like you were town.-
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Flubbernugget Survivor
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Keita Townie
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It seems to me Noraa is trying really hard to strike a balance between deflecting the Trendall accusations without seeming like they are buddied. See post 198.In post 222, derp wrote:
we can maybe be friends actually, could u elaborate on this?In post 212, Keita wrote:Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.-
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Keita Townie
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They seem to be very defensive for so early in the game.In post 217, Noraa wrote:
And why does it feel like opportunistic scum!Keita just hopped on the wagon with the most potential without questioning anything? Threw some light shade at you but yes, I would like an explanation for why you joined the Trendell wagon and "I just sheeped Glitch" is not an ok answerIn post 212, Keita wrote:Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.
I am questioning bc town mislims often by tunneling someone and being like "omg ur reactions suck" but like unless they are super experienced, normally the reactions aint gonna be hot :/-
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Hiraki Survivor
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Terrible post.In post 181, Trendall wrote:Sorry but Glitch is all rigid-thinking and acronyms, his analysis is a nightmare, he's probably mafia anyway, there's no way that I'm answering any of those questions that he asked me.
Not following this.In post 184, Trendall wrote:If Glitch and whoever the other player were think that I 'contrived a reason' for why I didn't place a random vote in, then for whatactualreason do they think I do it exactly?
What's the point of this post?In post 188, Glitch wrote:
1) I don't know why anyone is saying we are struggling to get serious stuff going; there's enough to start discussions and get things moving a good bit.In post 176, Staarling wrote:If we're struggling to get serious stuff going, how about we get no one today and try on the next day? We'll have a night of information then to work things out VOTE: Skip?
2) Getting the "should we no lynch?" Conversation out of the way is an unfortunate necessity in every D1.
3) We are not no-lynching.
Yet no one is really going with you on that front. Wouldn't it be more appreciative from a town perspective to show rather than just point?In post 191, Trendall wrote:
I didn't say that. These are just leading questions coming from a mafia.In post 190, Glitch wrote:Please explain how me using these acronyms = scum?
I agree with this but I'm not on board with the fact that Trendall is an "abnormal" player either. I need to dig up that first which includes doing the one thing I despise doing.In post 192, Glitch wrote:If he truly thought I were scum, he would engage me, ask me question, poke around, and then case me. But he doesn't. He just tries to make it look like I'm some big bad wolf who uses scary acronyms and bad logic. But what is actually bad logic? Hunting, sorting, and generating AI content; or refusing to answer questions and shading a player for poor reasons?
I don't buy this.In post 201, Glitch wrote:I think you just didn't vote and weren't thinking about it. But when pressured you came up with a forced reason. The whole, "oh I actually am contributing by not voting," thing was sketch. Why did you say that? You could have just said, "I frequently don't vote right off the bat," and posted game numbers just like you did but on top of that you had to explain how not voting contributed.
But your next move is to vote?In post 210, PlusJOYED wrote:I don't think he's tunneling, I do think Trendall is being a tad uncooperative. Idk what to make of that
Correct - I agree with you here. Here are the problems -In post 227, Trendall wrote:So I know already, if I don't 'act right', he's going to think I'm mafia, and if I do make any attempt to 'act right' he'll accuse me of contriving reasons and so forth, he's completely inconsistent with what he wants from me. So I'm just stuck here, aren't I? There's nothing I can do about it other than hope that if I get lynched the other players in the game are capable of interpreting what's happened.
1) If you're not being cooperative, then what are you doing? This is mafia. This is a game where you need to figure out if X, Y and Z are scum and then get A, B, C, D, and E to vote for X, Y and Z. If you find X, Y and Z but Y is also making A through E think you are scum, you've effectively done nothing. I honestly smell a lot of miselim bait on your wagon which is why I am super apprehensive on my vote on you. However, you are not helpful to town at the moment.
2) Why does that make Glitch scum? Because they're wrong? Isn't that the exact same point that you're making? Giving up isn't exactly a towntell in anyone's book FYI.
If it helps, I've dropped that theory. I have more equity in noraa scum now though. Keita 230 is right on the ball with how I am feeling there.In post 229, Flubbernugget wrote:that's two ppl making vague noises about glitch/noraa being svs now-
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Noraa ze/zirfluffy tsunamize/zir
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I like hiraki.
Townbin for now.
Don't see a point in going to in depth with this read as its only page 10, but the vibes are hella on point with what I normally look for in town. If I got to nominate a town leader figure, this would be jackpot.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
Come play Guess that Scummer OR ELSE-
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Noraa ze/zirfluffy tsunamize/zir
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*tooDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
Come play Guess that Scummer OR ELSE-
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Trendall Mafia Scum
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- Location: UK
Everybody knows that this is very early on in the game where little of any significance happens, so if somebody is starting to talk to me about how I haven't done reams and reams of analysis yet, then that is suspect because everybody knows that nobody's reads are massively serious right now necessarily. If something happens that I think is interesting then I'll pick up on it, and as it happens I think that nothing relevant has happened so far in this game other than I think that Flubbernugget is more likely to be town, and that it's unlikely that all of the other players who jumped on voting me are town too.In post 232, Hiraki wrote:1) If you're not being cooperative, then what are you doing? This is mafia. This is a game where you need to figure out if X, Y and Z are scum and then get A, B, C, D, and E to vote for X, Y and Z. If you find X, Y and Z but Y is also making A through E think you are scum, you've effectively done nothing. I honestly smell a lot of miselim bait on your wagon which is why I am super apprehensive on my vote on you. However, you are not helpful to town at the moment.
2) Why does that make Glitch scum? Because they're wrong? Isn't that the exact same point that you're making? Giving up isn't exactly a towntell in anyone's book FYI.
Glitch's questions are just...I don't know how to explain but this isn't how you get information out of people. Watch a couple of episodes of Columbo or something to see how it's done properly. His questions are very much putting words in my mouth, bombarding me with stuff left right and centre, trying to catch me out. If you're questioning somebody with the intention of making them slip up, like you've already decided what the answers are going to be as he obviously has done, then the person will slip up, it's pointless, it's a waste of time. Like he's certain his technique works, I'll flip town, and he'll just carry on game after game doing the exact same thing without ever evaluating where he made a mistake.
He's already said to me 'if you were town you would have done this instead'. So if he already knows everything about what I would do in a given situation and I have already breached that, then what possible reason would there be to respond to his points further? Then there's all this theatrical stuff about 'oh this should be the definition of omgus on the wiki'. If he thinks something I've said is 'contrived' then there's nothing I can do about that other than say 'no it wasn't'. Saying something is 'contrived' is nothing, it's not an argument, it's just a person looking at a post and going 'I don't like the look of this because of a gut feeling', how could you possibly argue that further? He says that I am 'panicky' and 'feel pressured' which again, I can say 'I'm clearly not' and then we're at a stalemate. You can't reason with a person if that's the extent of their arguments.
And again, with your question 'why does that make him scum?', I never said it did, so again that's a leading question trying to paint is as though I made a bad argument as to him being mafia when I never made such an argument at all. Like I say, his original question against Noraa was unreasonable, I thought that made him slightly more likely to be mafia than anybody else at that point given that I have no other reads, hence my vote is on him for the time being. It's not like a strong read, I don't care about it very much, but apparently if I don't vote for anybody then everybody complains about that too. As for the motivations for his arguing against me, that could go either way so I wouldn't present any of that as being in favour of him being mafia. I'm just saying that either way, nobody should be looking at his arguments against me and thinking 'yeah they're good arguments we should eliminate Trendall'.
Nothing I have done is tantamount to 'giving up' and I couldn't care less what is and isn't a 'towntell' lol.-
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Staarling Goon
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Trendall Mafia Scum
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Trendall Mafia Scum
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- Location: UK
Haven't got a clue who he isIn post 209, PlusJOYED wrote:do you 2 have a messy history together or do you not know glitch?-
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Staarling Goon
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Trendall Mafia Scum
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Hiraki Survivor
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Spoiler: Hiraki's Post before he read the final paragraph a few times
And then, as the spoiler above says I read the final paragraph a few times and then realized I'm talking to VI. I don't need nor want to discuss this any further and as much as I would love to join the wagon, I'm not interested at the moment. I'm quite frankly annoyed that I wasted that much time before getting to this point. If there's a vig in the house and he doesn't flip today, please shoot there. There's no need to respond to the above or address it (anyone can if they really want) but I felt annoyed that I wrote it and would need to delete it so I spoilered it. If that's a problem mod, feel free to unspoiler or whatever. I don't usually do this.-
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Hiraki Survivor
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I don't mean to be rude here but your next game should be the newbie queue.In post 239, Staarling wrote:So people don't want to skip today? Another problem is that sometimes the longer you play the more people will claim and mafia and serial killer will be able to kill all of the good roles. but if we skip they'll have no clue who it is and those roles can get us some goodies for the next day-
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Trendall Mafia Scum
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I never said that he did, I said that on the basis of that element of it it could go either way. I said that the reason I was voting for him was that it's a very light vote based on the fact that I found his point against Noraa unreasonable. If you like, you can look at it as the random vote that ppl were complaining about me not making at the start of the game.In post 241, Hiraki wrote:Why does he have to be scum for being wrong?
I don't know what you mean by 'flailing' exactly so I'm not sure I can 'admit' to something if I'm not even sure what it is. I haven't used this word at all. As I understand the word 'flailing' then I haven't done anything resembling that, I've just sorta...dispassionately addressed the points that have come up against me.In post 241, Hiraki wrote:you're admitting that you are just flailing.
He isn't, I'm doing exactly the same as anybody else is doing in the game, generating content early on in the game. I understand that everybody else is doing that too and that their reads might change, it's not a big deal.In post 241, Hiraki wrote:So why would Glitch be held to a higher standard? You said yourself that there's nothing happening because it's early game. Are you content with that? Why can't Glitch just be creating something to talk about to get a lead? Have you never asked questions before in a game to just try and get things moving? I just don't really understand everything in context.
I can't figure out if your reason for wanting me shot is because you think I'm mafia or for some other reason?-
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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- Location: Houston, TX
I would love to entertain this conversation but I just don't really understand the case. You'll have to be more specific. You playstyle seems to be shallow....In post 218, derp wrote:
too eager to project town and too much mechanical talk, derp no likeyIn post 168, Glitch wrote:
"Unfortunately I'm too overeager?" Can you tell me what this means and what specifically you feel like is acting to eager? Trying to generate content and reads, sorting people, and contributing isn't eager, it's just trying to move the game forward.In post 115, derp wrote:unfortunately glitch is too overeager which us town aligned players are not so derp is definitely not being opportunistic at all whatsoever when joining that wagon
VOTE: glitch-
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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Nah good try. ScumGlitch would not have the balls for page 1 scum team town blocking.In post 224, derp wrote:
derp is no longer a member of the following fanclubs: glitch, plus, noraaIn post 221, Noraa wrote:does derp have a readslist?
In post 15, Glitch wrote:Let's be town block noraaIn post 20, Glitch wrote:Plusjoyed is LOCKTOWN-
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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Why do you not try to persuade me or show me how it isn't contrived rather than just acting like, "Glitch thinks what I said is scummy so I just can't even engage with him." That doesn't make sense.In post 226, Trendall wrote:
It wasn't 'contrived'. If you perceive it this way then there's nothing I can do about that, there's nothing I can do to actually engage you.In post 204, Glitch wrote:a contrived reason-
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Trendall Mafia Scum
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Trendall Mafia Scum
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