Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 3.5

Panzerjager

(2): OutWorldER, Gamma Emerald

PookyTheMagicalBear

(1): Blitzo

OutWorldER

(1): The Bulge

Gamma Emerald

(1): Kasumeat

Not_Mafia

(1): Panzerjager

Not voting

(3): Thestatusquo, Not_Mafia, PookyTheMagicalBear

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to yeet someone.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-11-04 16:30:00)

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I’m officially getting pissed off with how no one is fucking trying to solve the game except me apparently.

[Not_Mafia]

Why are we not eliminating the player who Day 4 Innocent Child? That role is

literally

a joke and it certainly doesn't exist in this set-up

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz we can wait until tomorrow and we won't lose anything?

[Not_Mafia]

We do if we elim town today instead

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[OutWorldER]

Okay I’m officially getting pissed off with how no one is fucking trying to solve the game except me apparently.

to be fair a lot of the town is tied up in stupid arguments while the actual scum are most likely lurking and coasting. which is why Panzer should die today.

I should state that if Panzer flips red we should take a more serious look at N_M since he had some associations with Panzer from D1.

[Thestatusquo]

to be fair a lot of the town is tied up in stupid arguments while the actual scum are most likely lurking and coasting

How could you possibly know this? Like my problem isn't with the statement that scum could be the lurkers, my problem is with certainty of this statement.

[OutWorldER]

to be fair a lot of the town is tied up in stupid arguments while the actual scum are most likely lurking and coasting

How could you possibly know this? Like my problem isn't with the statement that scum could be the lurkers, my problem is with certainty of this statement.

the basis of my certainty comes from the fact that I obviously know I'm town and I'm engaged in an argument with The Bulge, who's push onto me is so aggressive and ill-conceived I find it to be highly unlikely to be scum-motivated. Gamma and you are surrounding that, and I've found your thought processes to be somewhat similar to my own at several times (though elaborated in a far better manner). I had suspicions about Gamma but I find his unpredictability and wild switches to most likely be from town.

The only person that's actively contributing that I am unsure of is Blitzo, since his play still carries a lot of strangeness yet he only has unfriendly associations with my main SR (Panzer).

So that brings me to Panzer, Pooky and NM. Panzer I'm very sure is scum and if he flips red I'm almost certain that NM is red too since he and Panzer have seemed to be on the same wavelength this entire game. Pooky is the only one I'm unsure of because he has bouts of basically active lurking and bouts of actual contribution, and he was basically a non-entity during D2.

[Thestatusquo]

Again, I'm not taking issue with you having town reads on vocal players and scum reads on lurky players.

But the statement you made is much stronger than that.

[OutWorldER]

I'm sorry I made a statement with some amount of conviction based on how I'm reading the game?

I don't know what you want out of me.

[Thestatusquo]

Frequently certainty when there ought not be certainty is a scum tell, especially from a player who I wouldn't have described as having strong convictions at many other points of the game.

it bothers me.

i think I agree with pooky that there's no real reason to elim you today but that post felt scummy to me. That's what I'm saying.

[Umlaut]

Kasumeat was prodded.

[Gamma Emerald]

to be fair a lot of the town is tied up in stupid arguments while the actual scum are most likely lurking and coasting

How could you possibly know this? Like my problem isn't with the statement that scum could be the lurkers, my problem is with certainty of this statement.

I think it’s more of a gamestate read, and it’s one I agree with rn

[Thestatusquo]

Again, I don't have a problem with reading the game that way, I have a problem stating it as if its written in stone fact, because that implies information we do not have.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think OWER might just write their thoughts like that tbh
I’ll spare my reasoning until OWER gives sufficient input on the subject

[OutWorldER]

Frequently certainty when there ought not be certainty is a scum tell, especially from a player who I wouldn't have described as having strong convictions at many other points of the game.

it bothers me.

i think I agree with pooky that there's no real reason to elim you today but that post felt scummy to me. That's what I'm saying.

at many other points in the game I was working off much less information. I'm stating things with confidence now because I'm 99% sure I've solved the game.

[Thestatusquo]

I don't think I've ever been 99% sure in any mafia game I've ever played in my life.

I don't think I've been 99% sure when I had a fucking cop guilty....

[OutWorldER]

this sounds like you a you thing then.

[Thestatusquo]

not really no

[Gamma Emerald]

I was 99% sure on Noraa back when I made the meta connections post

Anyway, since you’re so confident, what is your solve, OWER?

[OutWorldER]

I already went on about in 2558 but I can repeat.

Panzer and N_M for sure, then Pooky. I separate Pooky because he is the only one I have some doubt on, but Panzer and N_M have been mostly on the same wavelength this entire game with similar levels of contribution and both have some pretty terrible votes on their ISO's. Pooky has mostly unchanged from his D1 play and he was kind of a non-entity for most of D2.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think the D1 Pooky wagon was all-town 100% of the time, here?

[OutWorldER]

I had to re-examine because I legitimately forgot Kasu was still in this game but I would dare to say that yeah, the Pooky wagon was comprised of town, helped by the fact that Panzer made a fairly weak defense of Pooky in 824 and obviously the fact that MC flipped Green.

[Kasumeat]

Sorry for disappearing, had a really busy day yesterday and a long day today but am catching up now.

kasu why are you completely ignoring the bulge in this analysis.

I wanted to see if he would continue to push a yeet on OW, since that's one of the big things I'm SRing him for.

He's still interested in it but not really trying very hard to convince people. I'm not sure if this is more likely to come from town!Bulge who legit believes it's a good idea to yeet OW here (which IMHO is an extremely bad idea, I'd have to be about 90%+ certain of my read) or scum!Bulge who is just going to let his push die because it's such a scummy one and doesn't want to make anything more of it. I'm actually leaning a little towards the former at this point, but still don't love this slot.