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[VP Baltar]

Taylor, comment on that? True?

[Infinity 324]

its also a really really bad list, which again tells me that infinity is probscum. infinity has better reads than that.

I actually very much agree.

VOTE: Infinity 324

Wtf you've never played with me before

[Andresvmb]

So? I agree that your POE is bad. Hence, my vote.

[Infinity 324]

If you think my reads are wrong, talk to me about them. I think there's a good chance they're wrong, because this game has kinda sucked in terms of reads people. I have some strong townreads: JV, VP, Mark, Gamma to some extent. Everyone else is like "they've done a couple towny things so I'm not super interested in limming them d1"

[Infinity 324]

Reads you disagree with is not a scumtell lol

[Andresvmb]

I don’t know why VPB is a strong TR of yours.

I also don’t think I necessarily need to debate every read with you. I don’t have a strong sense for geraintm or Zdenek. But there’s a reason for that - those slots haven’t really contributed all that much, or are actively trying not to. I think DGB is Town (I’m rather uncertain about it, but I lean positive there, particularly after their catchup), and I have Koba as a Slight Lean Town, and I know I’m Town.

I think your POE is a strong signal for your alignment. And I really don’t like that you’re saying that well I have bad reads so disregard.

[Infinity 324]

Ok

[VP Baltar]

Hmm, this isn't a terrible argument against infinity. Still interested in Taylor's take on whether indecisiveness fits infinity meta D1.

[Infinity 324]

Who's scum outside my PoE

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: koba this is my only actual scumread atm, I don't want to lim a low-info slot except as compromise.

I find it weird you have one not great scum read after 40+ pages

Unfortunately it's mostly the norm for me on d1

im usually happy with infinity on day 1 and can townbin infinity, but im not going to contradict something thats verifiable. maybe im usually happy with infinity because we are both townhunters and so having 1 solid scumread isnt that odd. its not the 1 scumread that pings me though. although usually when i have one scumread i frame it as having a PoE, its odd to state it that way.

[Tayl0r Swift]

If you think my reads are wrong, talk to me about them. I think there's a good chance they're wrong, because this game has kinda sucked in terms of reads people. I have some strong townreads: JV, VP, Mark, Gamma to some extent. Everyone else is like "they've done a couple towny things so I'm not super interested in limming them d1"

i think your playstyle is like mine. and my playstyle makes it almost impossible to sort gamma except by VCA/associations. so im surprised that you're townbinning gamma here.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i dont like infinity's townlist or scumlist.

[Tayl0r Swift]

also getting some serious scumpings from VP the last couple pages.

[Infinity 324]

If you think my reads are wrong, talk to me about them. I think there's a good chance they're wrong, because this game has kinda sucked in terms of reads people. I have some strong townreads: JV, VP, Mark, Gamma to some extent. Everyone else is like "they've done a couple towny things so I'm not super interested in limming them d1"

i think your playstyle is like mine. and my playstyle makes it almost impossible to sort gamma except by VCA/associations. so im surprised that you're townbinning gamma here.

More like I thought shelly was town and gamma did a towny thing (pointing out a reliable way to sort his slot)

[Marky Mark]

Just dragging the light back on DGB for a sec:

Also I called not_mafia my soul mason after ONE POST how is that meta you fools

I am slightly confused now - claiming you were reading N_M as town due to being soul_masons implied meta reasons to me, but I accept that it is an ambiguous term.

Let's really try to nail this down - when you posted your readslist, why did you have N_M and Geraint as Town/Scum respectively, when functionally the two slots have acted very similarly?

[Marky Mark]

Just dragging the light back on DGB for a sec:

Also I called not_mafia my soul mason after ONE POST how is that meta you fools

I am slightly confused now - claiming you were reading N_M as town due to being soul_masons implied meta reasons to me, but I accept that it is an ambiguous term.

Let's really try to nail this down - when you posted your readslist, why did you have N_M and Geraint as Town/Scum respectively, when functionally the two slots have acted very similarly?

[Andresvmb]

And here’s why I’m not trusting VPB nearly as much as Infinity seems to be.

taylor - townish
jackson - townish
shelly - townish
DGB - scummish
gerain - scummish
baltar - scummish
mark - townish

Let's say infinity is scum. Probably one bus on this list (geraintm). Other partner could be Marky Mark or I could possibly see andres.

I do think andres' town play is pretty hard to fake (based on the recent game I playe with him), so I expect that will become clearer over time.

Gonna let infiinity/shelly/jackson keep scumming it up in this thread. One is probably dumb town though. because geraintm is still scum.

Whoever it was that asked me for a reason to vote geraintm is a very likely buddy. Might have been shelly, but I'm semi-drunk and too lazy too go back.

I still feel pretty justified in asking for reasons. 225 barely counts.

Don't stop believing
Baby, hold on to that feeling



Anyhow, I'm sober now and this line of questioning looks even worse in the light of day.


And, oh hey, geraintm still isn't doing anything.

So up to this point, VPB is very clearly painting Infinity as Scum, or at least questioning aggressively there. And then, out of nowhere, this:

infinity is scum and is also defending shelly pretty hard.

I'm not really getting infinity scum here. What's the bullet points on this again?

Huh?

And then from that, to asking Infinity about their take on something was mighty confusing to me.

There is certainly scum in the pool of people demanding wagon LOGIC, regardless of Math's alignment.

D1 is stagnating and a flash wagon was definitely called for. People crying it's not a wall case are not convincing.

Infinity, what's your take on Taylor's reaction here?

I have Tayl0r as a reasonably strong TR. So the below obviously seemed bad to me:

There is certainly scum in the pool of people demanding wagon LOGIC, regardless of Math's alignment.

D1 is stagnating and a flash wagon was definitely called for. People crying it's not a wall case are not convincing.

Infinity, what's your take on Taylor's reaction here?

who is that pool and why is it scum?

Taylor and Andres off the top of my head.

I think at the very least, it is anti-town to try and immediately stifle an action that was needed to move the game forward. If I'm being less generous, I find that actively scummy because it is a direct attempt to get pressure off math and keep the game stagnated.

I'm sure Math is a big boy and can speak for himself. The town play is to let him respond and see what happens with the wagon.

Anyway, VPB has pressured low-information slots mostly, and overall I will state that he has some good takes, so I’m not trying to say here that I’m certain VPB is Scum or anything of the sort. But I would certainly be cautious, and that’s why I don’t get why Infinity has VPB so high.

[Tayl0r Swift]

+1

also im getting some oblivious townie vibes from mark atm

[Infinity 324]

VP townread is largely tone

[Tayl0r Swift]

VP townread is largely tone

hmm can you point to a specific post and what about it was townie in tone?

[Infinity 324]

I need to eat and then I'll do that

[Tayl0r Swift]

only scum need to eat.

[Marky Mark]

+1

also im getting some oblivious townie vibes from mark atm

Lowkey discredit? I'm presuming this is relating to my above post on DGB

A fair few people seem to be TRing DGB but if you look at the slot objectively, it's actively lurked, made some inconsistent reads (eg the disparity between N_M/geraint) and made a couple of posts that try to sound townie ie 356 1162. What is it that you are seeing in the slot that makes it feel towny to you?

We need to find a solution to deal with N_M/Geraint who probs won't respond to pressure, but I think we also need to be shining the light on DGB (and Zedenek to a lesser extent) here so that they can't coast.

[VP Baltar]

Huh?

And then from that, to asking Infinity about their take on something was mighty confusing to me.

I'm going to pressure people as I see fit and always reserve the right to change my reads on a dime. I find myself going back and forth on infinity. They were making some pretty hard defenses early on, particularly of shelly that I did not like. Then infinity started probing more and doing more original scumhunting, which I find town.

That being said, I think some of the more recent points you've made to be persuasive (less so Taylor who is leaning heavily on a meta argument to some degree).

tl;dr: shrug. I just try to be as transparent as possible with how I'm feeling at any given moment, even if that means some people are going to call me scummy.

[VP Baltar]

That being said, I think some of the more recent points you've made to be persuasive (less so Taylor who is leaning heavily on a meta argument to some degree).

Additionally, I didn't love infinity's response to this point in particular.