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@Taylor - I wasn't in that game Day 1 either.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
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"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd-
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Infinity 324 they (pl.)Survivorthey (pl.)
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Also I chose this time because that’s when the read developed “last few pages”In post 1497, Infinity 324 wrote:
No it’s a garbage push because it’s based on meta from 2 games. But I’ve tried to make those pushes before too soIn post 1477, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
this also seems very random. like im not sure why infinity chooses this moment express a townread of me. if im making a good faith push on infinity that infinity isnt disagreeing with, what does that mean for infinity's alignment?In post 1470, Infinity 324 wrote:1463 is a townpost. I think taylor is town from the last few pages, she seems earnest and not pushing an agenda.-
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Tayl0r Swift Mafia Scum
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what did you notice in the last few pages that was different?In post 1501, Infinity 324 wrote:
Also I chose this time because that’s when the read developed “last few pages”In post 1497, Infinity 324 wrote:
No it’s a garbage push because it’s based on meta from 2 games. But I’ve tried to make those pushes before too soIn post 1477, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
this also seems very random. like im not sure why infinity chooses this moment express a townread of me. if im making a good faith push on infinity that infinity isnt disagreeing with, what does that mean for infinity's alignment?In post 1470, Infinity 324 wrote:1463 is a townpost. I think taylor is town from the last few pages, she seems earnest and not pushing an agenda.-
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Flavor Leaf Survivor
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it's because they're scum, but people don't wanna believe me.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd-
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Infinity 324 they (pl.)Survivorthey (pl.)
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You’ve been engaging people and pressuring who you think is scum. Honestly I hadn’t seen much scumhunting from you until the last few pages, mostly just saying reads.In post 1502, Tayl0r Swift wrote:what did you notice in the last few pages that was different?-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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????????In post 1503, Tayl0r Swift wrote:has anyone noticed that koba pops in and out at odd times? theyre always around when theres pressure on, but often not here when attention is elsewhere.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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love when ppl play entitled like this to obscure their alignment when attention isnt on them <3 . <3In post 1499, Andresvmb wrote:
I think of myself as most effective when I’m not completely driving all the conversations, unless there’s a massive vacuum. There’s enough slots probing and analyzing that I don’t think I need to pursue every angle. And besides, I am reasonably okay at sorting Town. I know from experience I am not particularly good at nailing Scum early. So I also like to find players I can trust and see if I can sort the game by comparing notes.In post 1486, DkKoba wrote:andres where do you think scum is.
you seem to be content to allow the game stay mostly out of your controlretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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Flavor Leaf Survivor
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beeeeeeeeeeeeeetle juiceCHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd-
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Infinity 324 they (pl.)Survivorthey (pl.)
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What do you do when too many people look town, and there’s no one you can easily engage with?In post 1499, Andresvmb wrote:
I think of myself as most effective when I’m not completely driving all the conversations, unless there’s a massive vacuum. There’s enough slots probing and analyzing that I don’t think I need to pursue every angle. And besides, I am reasonably okay at sorting Town. I know from experience I am not particularly good at nailing Scum early. So I also like to find players I can trust and see if I can sort the game by comparing notes.In post 1486, DkKoba wrote:andres where do you think scum is.
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Tayl0r Swift Mafia Scum
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love it. call out koba for betelgeuse and they show up within minutes to question it.In post 1509, Flavor Leaf wrote:beeeeeeeeeeeeeetle juice-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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Where did this read come from?In post 1504, Flavor Leaf wrote:it's because they're scum, but people don't wanna believe me.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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yes we've moved out of the early game now. early game bad.In post 1506, Infinity 324 wrote:
You’ve been engaging people and pressuring who you think is scum. Honestly I hadn’t seen much scumhunting from you until the last few pages, mostly just saying reads.In post 1502, Tayl0r Swift wrote:what did you notice in the last few pages that was different?-
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Tayl0r Swift Mafia Scum
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yes we've moved out of the early game now. early game bad.In post 1506, Infinity 324 wrote:
You’ve been engaging people and pressuring who you think is scum. Honestly I hadn’t seen much scumhunting from you until the last few pages, mostly just saying reads.In post 1502, Tayl0r Swift wrote:what did you notice in the last few pages that was different?-
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Flavor Leaf Survivor
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I think Andres dropped a few pegs for me definitely because he took my him hard town reading me way too seriously.
@Taylor - Yeah, funny stuffCHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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Are you coaching them in scum chat rn?In post 1506, Infinity 324 wrote:
You’ve been engaging people and pressuring who you think is scum. Honestly I hadn’t seen much scumhunting from you until the last few pages, mostly just saying reads.In post 1502, Tayl0r Swift wrote:what did you notice in the last few pages that was different?retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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Infinity 324 they (pl.)Survivorthey (pl.)
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He seems to just have a serious personality though?In post 1515, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think Andres dropped a few pegs for me definitely because he took my him hard town reading me way too seriously.
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Andresvmb He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Anyway @Koba that doesn’t answer your question. I have {Infinity, geraintm} as Lean Scum, but I also have skepticism towards {VPB, Flavor}. I would clear VPB most of the time with a Scum flip from geraintm. I would argue that Flavor has not made any aggressive pushes to the point where I would immediately TR them if someone flipped a certain way just yet. Part of my skepticism has to do with the way VPB and Flavor have discussed my slot. With VPB though, I have expressed consistent caution the opposite way, so I can understand it (and so I’m really just trying to be careful here). Flavor struck me as a little different. It’s also annoying that they keep insisting that I have them as a top TR, but that’s play-style and NAI.
I would be surprised to see {Tayl0r, Marky Mark, JV} flip Scum. Marky Mark maybe less so. Mark is obstinate and seems like he’s genuine in his approach, but I will say that a talented Scum can certainly hide behind what he’s doing. I also don’t think Mafia can be purely solved logically or analytically, so only pursuing inconsistencies or illogical statements won’t always cut it.
I also have a reason to TR Gamma. I am not going to state it explicitly (since we’re not allowed to speculate on anybody’s departure from the game). That’s kind of where I am.-
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Flavor Leaf Survivor
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kinda wanna go back to my Koba/Gamma with JV traitor solve.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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ok im not getting limmed so look elsewhereretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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Flavor Leaf Survivor
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it just really touched meIn post 1518, Andresvmb wrote:It’s also annoying that they keep insisting that I have them as a top TR,CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd-
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Andresvmb He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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If I’m TR’ing too many people, I begin questioning my strong TR’s first. It probably means I have the game upside down.In post 1510, Infinity 324 wrote:
What do you do when too many people look town, and there’s no one you can easily engage with?In post 1499, Andresvmb wrote:
I think of myself as most effective when I’m not completely driving all the conversations, unless there’s a massive vacuum. There’s enough slots probing and analyzing that I don’t think I need to pursue every angle. And besides, I am reasonably okay at sorting Town. I know from experience I am not particularly good at nailing Scum early. So I also like to find players I can trust and see if I can sort the game by comparing notes.In post 1486, DkKoba wrote:andres where do you think scum is.
you seem to be content to allow the game stay mostly out of your control-
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Andresvmb He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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I’m not trying to obscure my alignment what. And how is it entitlement?! I’m saying that I know I make a lot of mistakes. So I’m careful about not being overly aggressive unless I have some degree of certainty or there’s something obvious happening.In post 1508, DkKoba wrote:
love when ppl play entitled like this to obscure their alignment when attention isnt on them <3 . <3In post 1499, Andresvmb wrote:
I think of myself as most effective when I’m not completely driving all the conversations, unless there’s a massive vacuum. There’s enough slots probing and analyzing that I don’t think I need to pursue every angle. And besides, I am reasonably okay at sorting Town. I know from experience I am not particularly good at nailing Scum early. So I also like to find players I can trust and see if I can sort the game by comparing notes.In post 1486, DkKoba wrote:andres where do you think scum is.
you seem to be content to allow the game stay mostly out of your control-
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Andresvmb He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Sure. Now that I’ve expressed some skepticism your way I dropped a few pegs?In post 1515, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think Andres dropped a few pegs for me definitely because he took my him hard town reading me way too seriously.
@Taylor - Yeah, funny stuff
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