Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)


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Post Post #7975 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:13 am

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In post 7970, Bell wrote:VOTE: Morph

Unlike muffin who I felt I could have been blindsided by this one I'm confident is going to flip town.

Take your tim on that research I'm just placing the vote down so I don't feel too gross later.
If you think we're flipping town.... do you think it's just tunnels/remelia, then?

I'm confused now.
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Post Post #7976 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:28 am

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I'm confident Tunnels would flip town too.
this is just a formality.
We already took the first step might as well go through the process and do our due diligence.
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Post Post #7977 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:41 am

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I'm confused too. Didn't you vote Muffin while saying like, the same thing?
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Post Post #7978 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:42 am

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In post 7977, Bell wrote:I'm confused too. Didn't you vote Muffin while saying like, the same thing?
Head disagreement.


Also, if this is really your read (It's 100% bork), the plan fails to account for it being a scum governor as opposed to town super resetter.
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Post Post #7979 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:43 am

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A what now?
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Post Post #7980 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:46 am

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An alien scum governor does not sound like a sensible option.
I'm okay losing to that kind of blind side.
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Post Post #7981 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:05 pm

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Bork,

Who do you want to hammer Day 6?
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Post Post #7982 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:22 pm

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I would prefer ST to be the non-hammerer at Borklo at this point.
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Post Post #7983 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:22 pm

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VOTE: Morph
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Post Post #7984 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:27 pm

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In post 7982, Remilia Scarlet wrote:I would prefer ST to be the non-hammerer at Borklo at this point.
This is where I was at most of day 4. Looks like you're probably going to have borklo.

Dunno if you'll get the hammer you want.

Still rereading interactions with scum. Thank tlaloc I don't have to read my own iso.
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Post Post #7985 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:37 pm

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Vote Count 5.2

Day Five Begins!




morph the cat (2):
bell, remilia scarlet (R-1)
secret tunnel (1):
secret tunnel
remilia scarlet (1):
maid cafe

Not Voting (1)
: morph the cat

April Ludgate can't post, vote or be voted today.


With 5 votes in play it takes 3 to send to rehab.


Deadline:
Friday, November 13th at noon

Countdown:
(expired on 2020-11-13 12:00:00)
I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!
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Post Post #7986 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:05 pm

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So much more reading to do, but one thing that's come out of isoing plusjoyed and midway with different players is that plusjoyed's day 1 posts about ST and to ST don't give me the slightest team vibes. plusjoyed tried to chain ST and bulge together whereby if bulge flipped town then ST was scum and to some extent vice versa. This was a time when I wasn't townreading ST and that lack of townread was getting questioned by both muffin and bork (in different ways and to different degrees) and it may have looked like an ST push could lead somewhere.

When I get a little more done and cement some more of my thoughts I'll probably post a wall or two.
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Post Post #7987 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:17 am

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Agree, it would be pretty strange if Plusjoyed could think that many moves ahead.
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Post Post #7988 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:19 am

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As scum for the first timeish*
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Post Post #7989 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:30 am

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In post 1708, midwaybear wrote:@morph
About Bell, he seems to be playing this game similarly to me in this game to some extent. There's a lot of questions directed at others in his ISO, and he even admitted that it was about the journey and not the destination. I can sorta sympathize with that sentiment because I have started taking that approach too and asking a lot of questions even if I don't know where it's leading to. I'm not sure if it's a bad habit or a good one, but at least I think it's a good way to pool information that you can look at later on even if you are unsure in the moment. I think that's what Bell has been doing this game a lot, and I remember him recently compiling thoughts so I'm fine with it for now. However, I think I'm going to go back to see how his questions potentially because I don't remember thinking that they were exactly related. Get back to you later on that. Also, I'm not sure I can completely ignore his fluffier comments, but I think those are more of a personal peeve than anything massively alignment indicative. Maybe it's similar to the open wolf comments from L1 that annoyed me so greatly in the dance game. I guess I'm townreading this slot at this moment.
About your read specifically, I think the point about him revealing that he was someone familiar with you guys as a massive townpoint. I also sorta think it's townie that you brought it up for some reason. It's definitely the type of thinking that I like. I don't really have any comments on these supposed mindmelding moments partially because well it's you who is mindmelding with him, but also because I don't remember any of those moments from him? For the other half, I would be surprised if Bell had meta on me but it seems like he has alluded to that? Vote on Plus is definitely townie though for pretty much the reason you had. Ok, yeah I think you are town now for the comment about Bell calling you IC. I don't think you think of including that read as scum. I do think he was jesting about that, so it's not as big of a town factor to you as for me. Surprisingly, I don't remember his entrance to be townie for me, but I might have been missing things such as the Plus vote.

About Remilia, I don't remember interacting or even really thinking about this slot much out of early game. Maybe I've been a little intimidated of their slot or something, but I thought the questions they had towards me were nice and had purpose. That reminds me of the tone shift thing I thought I had found early game, and I realize I haven't been putting much of a focus on the individual post much this game. Perhaps that is something Something_Smart may have noticed, but it was limited anyways and quite subtle. I did think their entrance was quite fluffy and jokey in the same way I did as Secret Tunnels which will probably always be something I view as suspicious too much. Looking at and especially 121, I think the way bork advocated for you to read his slot instead of GiFs was pretty townie. It seems like you talked about GiF not being town, and I feel like the way bork jumped in was pretty natural. When I zoom out, I have no idea what makes me think it is so good, but I still like it for some reason. Looking at vote history, the first serious vote is on Bell for a) flipping on me and b) something about engagement on muffin/morph. I don't really like this first reason as it seems pretty surface level for a player like bork. Like what purpose does it serve for scum Bell to flip on me for not answering his question, I probably would be expecting a more pockety thing than the snap scumread. I'm not sure what he's talking about in the second part so no comment there. Next and final vote is on Plus which is fine because I also noticed Plus seeming sort of static in his read on Remilia. So based on votes, it's not really conclusive. His readlist from last night also seemed legit. Look genuine, and reasonable based on earlier comments(what I'm looking for from Bell).
About your read, I also liked the trajectory of the way he formed his reads. I'll accept the rest of the stuff as some intracacies that you picked up from many games played together.
Guess I'm townreading both of these slots now
This post from day one is addressed to/mentions all of the non conftown still alive, except for ST. In his next post which was almost two pages later, he voted ST.

He's pretty gung ho about Bell being town. And with Remilia he is way more hedgy, but "About Remilia, I don't remember interacting or even really thinking about this slot much out of early game. Maybe I've been a little intimidated of their slot or something, but I thought the questions they had towards me were nice and had purpose." just feels like a weird thing to say about a scum partner who's being townread by a supposed town leader. He goes on to point out a bunch of stuff he doesn't like and then basically says "whatever, it's your meta read, I'll follow it."

Despite my reaction to the part where he says maybe he feels intimidated, his Remilia read feels partnery to me.
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Post Post #7990 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:47 am

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uh

yeah I’m personally ok hammering morph at some point I think pending whatever approval

seems like no compelling reason to deviate from the plan

morph probs flipping town but whatevs should be a win

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Post Post #7991 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:47 am

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I'd like to see notsci agree with that post in all its particulars.
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Post Post #7992 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:06 pm

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Hi friends

I will be here after work. Sorry I didn’t stop by yesterday I was refreshing the election every 10 seconds
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Post Post #7993 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:09 pm

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prod diggity dodge
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Post Post #7994 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:23 pm

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In post 7992, Secret Tunnel wrote:Hi friends

I will be here after work. Sorry I didn’t stop by yesterday I was refreshing the election every 10 seconds
Same.
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Post Post #7995 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:49 pm

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Secret Tunnel wrote:Hi friends

I will be here after work. Sorry I didn’t stop by yesterday I was refreshing the election every 10 seconds
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Post Post #7996 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:23 pm

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My grandpa used to do the same thing.
Where he would say he would do stuff after work but he would just konk out on that cozy chair of his.
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Post Post #7997 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:22 am

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Yeah sorry I haven’t really slept well so I passed out

And still slept like shit but I’m here now
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Post Post #7998 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:26 am

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I can see remi partner with that post. Like I said before the weirdest thing about interactions with the flipped scum was mirroring votes with joyed to voting joyed to going back to that mirror vote after joyed flipped red. I would expect some hesitance , ya kno?

I don’t think bell abd bear come out of the gate bussing

I don’t think you guys would be read flipping off an invalid meta tell of bear like you did

Maid is clear by night action

I’m clear by my role pm

Is kinda where I’m at but it still makes the most sense to follow muffins plan
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Post Post #7999 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:36 am

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And I know everyone’s thinking it but I don’t get why scum didn’t concede.

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