Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

[The Bulge]

I maybe shouldn't keep leaving nm out of that equation tho. like i said i need to reread without the bias of overworldscum in mind.

[The Bulge]

ok. someone explain to me how the fuck a setup of 2 vanilla neighbours, a neopolitan and a fucking CHECKER makes sense.

why does this setup make more sense to you than any other solve? if this is a PoE solve you're giving me this possibility seems like it should be one of the first to eliminate from the pool

[The Bulge]

if this is a Process of Elimination solve you're giving me, then it seems to me that you should have eliminated kasu and me from that process early on, given that our claimed town-team makes absolutely zero sense without my role.

edited for clarity

[Thestatusquo]

I kind of need to think about bulge a bit because I'm so tunneled but his point about the setup not having enough town power without another town PR is a valid one.

I'll need to think about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a loyal jailkeeper. targeted pooky n1 for reasons I can't recall because i crumbed panzer. outworld n2 to check the softclaim. kasu n3 should clear him because there was no reason to nk.

OH. So my speculation was probably way fucking off about potential scum roles.

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven't reread yet but im pretty sure nm is the remaining town.

Why?
I have a particular picture in my head on what the scum team probably resembles, NM could be either alignment in it but I think Blitzo and Kasu are hard town through it
But I’m not in the mood to drive things rn unless I don’t think anyone else is gonna strike true by doing so

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma explain yourself in next post.

Alright
So I had an inkling we had one more town PR in the setup, but I also felt like even with what I felt might fit the town could feel underpowered. I also thought scum might have a tracker based on Noraa’s flip and UG being NKed N2. This was also the one role I felt like OWER could be as scum that would merit the next-day IC claim (or another investigation role but the speculation leaned to tracker with Noraa’s flip). What I wanted to do was have the real PR claim and then try to suggest town might be underpowered still to bait a PR claim from scum, hopefully trying to true claim the role I suspected they had, and I could slam them with my setup speculation. Blitzo can back me up on this.
Now that I have seen Bulge’s claim, I’m less convinced about my speculation. I could still be right, but Bulge’s role literally perfectly explains the existence of Noraa’s role by itself as a potential town confirmation, so there’s less reason to think Noraa’s role existed to be a false tracker positive.

I think this effectively addresses the eccentricities of my desire to massclaim D3.

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought he'd be the nk and I was right? lol

I don’t think I spoke of it to Blitzo at all but that felt like the kill choice from a scumteam that killed duppin N1 and UG N2. Idk if there’s any underlying thread connecting those three that could be used to locate scum, but they all fell under a blanket category of players who were somewhat less active but still towny voices (idr any of the kill choices being widely SRed by the time they were killed are attempted to be killed).
Essentially, I had the same feeling as you, so I commend you for it.

[Gamma Emerald]

my role is the only reason noraa's makes any sense at all in this setup

I wonder if it's just pooky and shea in the scum pt rn panicking about how they jumped the gun and ignored this fact and don't know where to pivot the push from here, or if the third partner is lurking there too

Unless Blitzo is marinating me real hard rn I think it’s just Pooky + Shea + NM
NM is the one I could most see being wrong in that but I feel pretty strongly about Blitzo being town, and Bulge/OWER/Kasu are all conftown, because if Bulge is somehow scum then the role Noraa’s role was meant to interact with was on the scum side, in which case I think the setup winds up scumsided beyond what I think would logically pass. So if I have faith in Blitzo the game solves itself.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

am i getting trolled here

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm only certain in sheascum until I reread and I have been townreading you most of the game. but blitzo/gamma scum would be ballsy (not that I'm at all discounting the possibility of that team) and the gamestate right now fmpov is not looking good for you either

Me and Blitzo have had a rollercoaster of interactions. Doing what we did, as scum together, might as well be throwing, because it draws way to much attention. Why do I attempt to throw Blitzo under the bus D2 by screaming he is feeding lines to Noraa? That is insanity. To think one of us is scum is possibly reasonable if you ignore certain things. To suggest we both are is lunacy.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this has to be a massive troll

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok. someone explain to me how the fuck a setup of 2 vanilla neighbours, a neopolitan and a fucking CHECKER makes sense.

do you guys notice something missing here

[Gamma Emerald]

And that’s indicative of anything HOW?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

neighbors + neo + checker + IC is balanced vs 3 scum in a 10:3 - there's literally no missing town power.

bulge claiming he didnt protect the claimed IC and instead protected Katsu is lol hilarious - what scumteam would even shoot Katsu there.

[The Bulge]

i was reading from the op so i forgot about the day 4 ic

which, if anything, makes that townspread without the jk even more ridiculous.

[The Bulge]

why would i have protected outworld last night? did you miss the part where i treated him like confirmed scum until the mod confirmed him?

[The Bulge]

somebody please pass pooky the straws

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bulge do you think the scum know the outworld is conf town?

[The Bulge]

uh yes?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so why would the scum leave IC - 2 Neighbors who are townreading each other and high influence - alive and shoot Katsu of all people?

[The Bulge]

why are you asking me that? i didnt pick outworld because i was sure he was scum. as for why the mafia didnt shoot there, i have no idea. I didn't pick either neighbour because neither of them are anywhere near universally townread. if both are town scum may want to keep pushing at a scum neighbour theory. if one is scum then they would obviously not want to kill off the neighbour they're snowing.

[The Bulge]

actually outworld being kept alive was almost definitely an attempt to make me look even worse today

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because your theory relies on scum being smart enough to slide thru to d4 without losing a member but idiotic enough to go for an unwinnable endgame against an IC/2Neighbors/____ by targetting Katsu of all people.

[The Bulge]

if panzer were still here he'd have the perfect gif for how pooky just tapped in for shea after shea realized he could no longer push me in good faith