mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[Titus]

We don’t need anymore suicides.

I think we should. Check the neighborhood for why.

[Titus]

shut up, scum

?? Pretty sure my role PM says otherwise and it’s really important that I know if you have your win con or not.

Pretty sure you just need to fullclaim at this point.

[Titus]

Is there something I missed that implies that Gamma was groupscum and not 3p?

1- The name of the faction (certainly you don't think of a lone 3P when you read "Army", do you?)
2- The fact Norwee has just been confirmed not a member of that specific faction.

3P one shots are also very rare. So very likely gamma was group scum.

What makes you think 3P is not likely when we have a 3P scumteam???? None of us are masons. We use masons because it is an easy turn of phrase that has now because confusing. We are 3P with town’s wincon. Titus I can’t speak for but I highly doubt they are masons

Confused.

3P with town wincon = town plus. You have town wincon plus something else.

Otherwise you’re just town not 3P.

The distinction exists for a reason.

What makes you say a 3P scum team exists? This could be an SK (not a team, jjh top theory if true) multiball or a vig

Like help me connect your dots here

I will give you an ELI5 because you do seem very confused. Me, A50, and someone else are goliath gouthwits health interns. This is NOT town, it is a 3P which flips and returns investigations as our 3P (GGHI). Our win condition is the same as town’s, we win when all threats to town are eliminated. Thus we are FUNCTIONALLY miller masons, which is why that’s what A50 claimed.

Gamma flipped as a NON town aligned 3P (which he claimed was scum, while also saying there may be multiball. You can look at this as WIFOM if you want). Cop investigation checked against this non-town 3P.

Titus is apparently 3P neighborizer with Nero and mastina who recruited A50. A50 now has access to both PTs and is trying to sort through this whole mess. Do you understand?

Partially. In my experience I don’t recall just Miller masons. It’s always been Miller masons plus. Stevens Universe IIRC was town win plus one regular town alive.

You say Gamma flipped non town aligned 3P. What makes you say 3P and not scum? I don’t follow this. There was a public cop saying someone is not of Gamma’s alignment. Are you suggesting Gamma was 3P and not scum and therefore no scum are dead?

Then Titus is another 3P?

That’s an awful lot of 3P claims.

titus and mathblade, we get that you are siblings engaged in a rivalry and you always scumread each other and youre both very proud of your VCA, but i think its starting to bog the game down. can we look at whos scum rather than try to figure out whos better at finding scum? lets lunch some scum and you can have this contest in postgame.

I was trying to get at Mathblade's scumreads and away from VCA.

His response was all about VCA. I'm trying here.

P.S. I think Pickaxe/Chemist/SS nets at least two scum.

Great VCA disagrees with you.

So I wouldn’t follow that conclusion but would exe SS based on my gut.

[Titus]

Math, care to explain these three posts?

[Titus]

I am speaking for myself.
If we're already even we'd have lost if that team needed parity to win right?

Bloody hell Bell take a fucking hint.

Fine. I am the last scum and Bell is my traitor.

A50’s hood is kingmaker now.

0 way he suicides.

Fuck bell pants.

That's umm literally impossible.

5 scum. It's impossible for you to have a traitor.

[Titus]

Ahahaha.
Math is breaking down.

Damn. I was hoping to get an interrogation in.

[Titus]

I'm literally too dumb to understand this convoluted shit imao.

I think Math claimed you were his traitor in hopes we'd execute you.

[Titus]

VOTE: Mathblade

[Titus]

Your hints say 5 army

Traitor isn’t army

We also got notice that everyone else is explicitly town aligned. A traitor is literally impossible.

[Titus]

Math is just trolling now.

I'm so sad I didn't get to interrogate him and he gave up instead. I think my note at SoD was too strong.

[Titus]

With Math's self vote that's 5.

[Titus]

Yeah. Hood was OP.

Hood plus VCA.

Hood kept us working together, particularly me and Nero.
VCA plus the mandatory revelations lead us to follow it.

GG Math

[Titus]

you were a goon/toe masher?

Yeah just a goon.

Scum didn’t have even a strongman

Only PR was chemist.

Hard as fuck finding the PRs

We had virtually none.
Motion detector
Bulletproof (only by our role)
Tracker maker
Neighborizer
Suicide maker

[Titus]

Oh and the vig

[Titus]

One thing I would change is the confirmation of not army shouldn't come right before the bulletproof vote. That was just too simplistic.

[Titus]

yea the 3p groups working together was solid play that made this hard AF for scum but the "point" was for the 2 3p groups to fight.

I can’t comment on this yet until Schadd does but there was something else that made it worse

The superbowl9 point was near impossible. We gave that up asap.

[Titus]

Yeah that’s what i thought Math.
Those scum pools were designed by the scum team.

I would have put Taylor - shelly - Chemist as the first pool with the expectation that one dies. The other milks the conftown status.

[Titus]

I felt our 3p wincon was hard as hell given Nero and I had to agree on every execution and be right.

[Titus]

Oh well.
GG.
I certainly had fun.

Yay that’s all that matters

I can’t keep up with MS gonna stay retired

This speed is really rare tbh but I understand.

[Titus]

I felt our 3p wincon was hard as hell given Nero and I had to agree on every execution and be right.

Because you townsided waaaay too much imho

Our wincon didn't really leave scumsiding as viable unless we deliberately divided our votes to end the game. I thought about it, but decided against it.

[Titus]

For instance, executing Bell with one on and one off would not have wrecked our wincon.

[Titus]

I pmmed him.

Also, the way you worked on me had you with no social capital. Math being repeatedly wrong and misexecuted is a thing. But that starts from the point you're horribly wrong and not persuasive at all.

[Titus]

It almost worked, until you went and claimed 3p. When I thought about it, 3p Math just didn't make sense. The resistance to the suicide plan had to come from somewhere and you overplayed IMO.

No objections to release any PT.

[Titus]

The wagons will judge

Town	Titus Plusjoyed Diamond Sentinel Nero Cain shellyc A50 Ban Hydras mastina Menalque
Above Null	NorweiganboyEE The Golden Paradox superbowl9 Bell
Null	DrDolittle something_smart Mathblade jjh927
Lean Scum	Chemist1422 April Ludgate Morning Mage Pickaxe Pete
Scum	Tayl0r Swift

A planned bus doesn't generate four counters. Scum would abandon the bus.

I have realistically 8 names that could be scum. I'm cutting off at above null right now. That needs to have 4 scum.

Can you look at your notes and see who overlaps?

[Titus]

I work best when town misexecutes themselves.

Everyone got Titus’s reads off track which I was happy about but Titus’s day one reads damn.

You were sharp Titus. Later days you spiraled hard

Thank you. Day 2 I spiraled because of April's "guilty" but I came back to my VCA hard on later days. That's part of the reason Chemist was taken before you btw.

[Titus]

I also did find it odd that you never redid your VCA because of the bullshit of needing a town driven wagon when the 3ps were all obviously townsiding.

[Titus]

I work best when town misexecutes themselves.

Everyone got Titus’s reads off track which I was happy about but Titus’s day one reads damn.

You were sharp Titus. Later days you spiraled hard

Thank you. Day 2 I spiraled because of April's "guilty" but I came back to my VCA hard on later days. That's part of the reason Chemist was taken before you btw.

It’s why I picked April and pushed her too.

I couldn’t kill you due to King’s Commander
So I had to make you think you were wrong
Which meant sacrificing Boonskiies
Although a pocketed Boonskiies woulda been awesome

This April execution partially happened because of day fatigue.

[Titus]

I also did find it odd that you never redid your VCA because of the bullshit of needing a town driven wagon when the 3ps were all obviously townsiding.

I can’t do VCA as town or scum if a game goes too fast.

I never even finished day one

It wasn’t obvious to me.

Felt like a50s hood claimed neut,

I had to go into the guts to create the VCs for day 1, which I almost never do.

[Titus]

im also calling myself town b/c even though I was 3p I was town in my heart

Very same.

It was very interesting having to agree with someone all the time. It was very stressful and it would be with anyone given any wrong move would cost us the game. It was particularly stressful making the Taylor call.

Also, why did mastina die?

[Titus]

SB was HARD coasting after like s1.

That scumfuck. We should have executed him. [/joke]

[Titus]

SB was HARD coasting after like s1.

That scumfuck. We should have executed him. [/joke]

Yeah that dude was obvscumming not sure how he got past D1 tbh

He had three town gunning for him too, if they could actually get him executed.

Btw, before we figured you were a "mason", I tried to put the word scum next to your name as often as possible to try and get you down on people's list and executed.

[Titus]

SB was HARD coasting after like s1.

That scumfuck. We should have executed him. [/joke]

Yeah that dude was obvscumming not sure how he got past D1 tbh

He had three town gunning for him too, if they could actually get him executed.

Btw, before we figured you were a "mason", I tried to put the word scum next to your name as often as possible to try and get you down on people's list and executed.

Lmao so many better ways to do that.

I literally staged a rebellion on your hoods butt.

Sure you’re townfirm but no one trusted you or your reads.

That’s how you deal with unkillable conf town.

Make them not matter

I still want to do a game with us versus each other in the vein of Titus v Alisae at some point. Each of us unkillable. One scum, one town.

[Titus]

no offense to pete, taylor, gamma and chemmist but they are are lurky and not very charismatic. When you are up against superstar Nero Cain and Titus and Mastina and good supporting charters like Norway, Bell and Shelly you are kinda behind from the start.

Thank you for the compliment.

[Titus]

How was banhydras confirmed? I totally missed it.

[Titus]

Tbh, you would have been better off taking Bell's approach and not fakeclaiming here but just stubbornly not suiciding. It would have been better to paint suiciding as which mouse puts the bell on the cat scenario (no pun intended). There was no fake claim that really worked.

If you stuck with town, you couldn't be anti suicide (see above for your best move).

If you claimed 3p, there were a litany of posts to grill you with. I was just starting to when you cracked and conceded.

[Titus]

Plus, with 3p, any suicide outed your claim as false.

[Titus]

Tbh, you would have been better off taking Bell's approach and not fakeclaiming here but just stubbornly not suiciding. It would have been better to paint suiciding as which mouse puts the bell on the cat scenario (no pun intended). There was no fake claim that really worked.

If you stuck with town, you couldn't be anti suicide (see above for your best move).

If you claimed 3p, there were a litany of posts to grill you with. I was just starting to when you cracked and conceded.

Yeah.

Knowing what I know now that was best.

I literally didn’t know anything about the setup though.

So I made a gamble to stop you from hooding Chemist and it failed.

It was also when I thought A50’s hood was siding with us. If he wasn’t it wouldn’t really matter as I lacked enough Charisma bank to win against Bell.

I really needed Bell to be in the hood and not Suicide.

The fact he fake claimed traitor when it wasn’t possible fucked me.

Bell didn't claim traitor.
I mentioned like 100 times, it was modconfirmed 5 scum.

To your credit though, I was the one who wanted to hood Chemist to have him fail. Nero wanted shelly to die.

[Titus]

No one wanted to hood you or Bell because you were already known not to suicide.

[Titus]

sorry your wincon should say "parity among town-aligned players"

Uhm a little late to say that bud. Been playing this whole time as if Titus etc didn’t have to be killed.

Well fuck.

We just went from almost win to screwed.

sorry. this was the way the game was balanced at the outset and certain other players have the understanding that is how it would proceed. to clarify things for you, though, i will let you know that there are two other segments of non-town, one of which does not count toward your wincondition and one that does

Glad you’re happy I was scum Nero.

So Mastina flipping Green made me think she was town and A50 was hood siding with us.

So our claimed wincons had nothing to do with this choice?

[Titus]

Tbh, you would have been better off taking Bell's approach and not fakeclaiming here but just stubbornly not suiciding. It would have been better to paint suiciding as which mouse puts the bell on the cat scenario (no pun intended). There was no fake claim that really worked.

If you stuck with town, you couldn't be anti suicide (see above for your best move).

If you claimed 3p, there were a litany of posts to grill you with. I was just starting to when you cracked and conceded.

Yeah.

Knowing what I know now that was best.

I literally didn’t know anything about the setup though.

So I made a gamble to stop you from hooding Chemist and it failed.

It was also when I thought A50’s hood was siding with us. If he wasn’t it wouldn’t really matter as I lacked enough Charisma bank to win against Bell.

I really needed Bell to be in the hood and not Suicide.

The fact he fake claimed traitor when it wasn’t possible fucked me.

Bell didn't claim traitor.
I mentioned like 100 times, it was modconfirmed 5 scum.

To your credit though, I was the one who wanted to hood Chemist to have him fail. Nero wanted shelly to die.

You claimed 5 army. Not 5 scum. And bell did 100% claim traitor last day.

We claimed no other scum could exist. That's why A50 crew was conftown to us.

[Titus]

Lol the Titus contracting thing was fun RNG but realistically unusable.

[Titus]

GG Math. I'm off to DnD now. It was close.

So basically, don't trust Titus lol.

We can talk more later if you want but this game was close than it seemed.

[Titus]

I wanted Shelly to blow up b/c I was under the mistaken reasoning we needed the point for someone to sacrifice. I think b/c I was worried most of the game that we might miss the 2 points from all scum elims/only 2 max town elims and I guess I had been saying that so much that I came to believe it even when we didn't.

Lol yeah. I had to remind you of that.

I still will not regain the hair I lost from screaming "We don't count for parity."

[Titus]

Well in practice a 1 shot alien isn't going to do crap when only two powers can be blocked.

[Titus]

I am honored that I scared scum with my VCA and that scum gambled on me not having any credibility.