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Post Post #5750 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:44 pm

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In post 5749, MURDERCAT wrote:Fair enough, do you think Shelly meets your criteria?
Possible, but with reservations. She's definitely not excluded from the criteria. I'd want to know why she cared on Toog and why she wasn't further up on the wagon.

It might be possible that fitting the scum archetype onto one player might be too tall an order. I never VCAed a game where everyone is a supersaint.
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Post Post #5751 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:51 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 1748, shellyc wrote:readslist time

near conftown: LLD/Mush/Taylor
townie: hopkirk/Murder/pooky/fidget
townlean: adorable/theta/titus
null: inactives/isis or whoever that is nowadays
scumlean: Toogeloo/UNO
scumread: bell
near confscum: noraa

p-edit no we are not having a misunderstanding, I agree with the contents of that post
In post 1799, shellyc wrote:calling this a night

todo list tmr for this game is basically trying to sort between {zdenek/UNO/toogeloo}
In post 2448, shellyc wrote:
In post 2446, Hopkirk wrote:Which one of you/Pooky/Noraa would you prefer I vote?

MURDERCAT expressed a scumread on this slot and it's got one of the best two or three levels of scum equity in the game. Want to join me?
Prefer Noraa 1000000%

Yeeeeeah I can def see what you're seeing with that fluffy ISO + I'm gonna do a big reboot on Bell in the meantime so... VOTE: Toogeloooooooo here we go
In post 2937, shellyc wrote:
In post 2935, Bell wrote:
In post 2930, shellyc wrote:
In post 2928, Bell wrote:Yes, I am confident we can get enough votes on Taylor Swift to end the day.
I doubt we could get enough votes on Tayl0r Swift though

It's desperation day. Our time is limited. Toogeloo wagon is dead as well for some reason and scum are lurking so they get their pick

No.

Everyone change your votes to Taylor Swift.
Momentum will get us there.
boom lets try then
VOTE: Tayl0r Swift
In post 3045, shellyc wrote:VOTE: Toogeloo

heading to bed, taylor isnt happening


Shelly seemed willing to do any of Noraa/Taylor/Toog
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Post Post #5752 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:53 pm

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FWIW was Shelly's first mention of Toog from what I can see
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Post Post #5753 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:01 pm

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Taylor wasn't a viable wagon, nor did Shelly ever vote Taylor on any given VC. It's a viable distancing strategy. She can claim she voted Taylor but when push comes to shove, she abandons it. Yet she maintains her bell push over multiple VCs.

Assuming shelly scum, I'd look at who Bell pushed aside from Shelly.
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Post Post #5754 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:05 pm

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I mean I think if Shelly is scum and one of Pooky/Taylor is scum it is more likely to be Pooky but maybe Shelly hard buddies Pooky and it's taylor scum.
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Post Post #5755 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:14 pm

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In post 5746, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 3274, Hectic wrote:
Votecount 1.20
(FINAL)


[11]
Toogeloo
:
Hopkirk
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MURDERCAT
, Titus,
Toogeloo
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Theta Alpine
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MUSHSHAGANA
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Lady Lambdadelta
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Noraa
, UNOwen, shellyc,
Bell
HAMMER

[2] Tayl0r Swift:
PookyTheMagicalBear,
Bell

[2]
Bell
:
Tayl0r Swift,
Vaxkiller

[2] shellyc:
Fidget, Flea The Magician
[1]
Noraa
:
Adorable
[1] PookyTheMagicalBear
Gloria Cleary
[1] Adorable:
Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:
Zdenek
I find it hard to believe that any of those greens are wrong and I also doubt that wagon was all town.
Two or three would be scum on this, especially early game final wagon.
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Post Post #5756 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:54 pm

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In post 5754, MURDERCAT wrote:I mean I think if Shelly is scum and one of Pooky/Taylor is scum it is more likely to be Pooky but maybe Shelly hard buddies Pooky and it's taylor scum.
With the dynamic of the suicide being in play, I find it very difficult to sort legit 1 v 1s versus noise. Scum know they never have to implode their target in a 1 v 1 and can get towncred for their partner by pushing for it too. So Pooky v Taylor is a hard spot, regardless of Shelly's alignment. I really wanted Taylor alive at first but with her taking shots at my activity level that kinda feels scummy.
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Post Post #5757 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:55 pm

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scum actually have no incentive to be on that wagon

maybe early but not late
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Post Post #5758 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:56 pm

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In post 5746, MURDERCAT wrote:I find it hard to believe that any of those greens are wrong and I also doubt that wagon was all town.
this is so stupid im moving you to null
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Post Post #5759 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:58 pm

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Just mathematically it is hard to get that much town to vote together
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Post Post #5760 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:59 pm

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In post 5758, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 5746, MURDERCAT wrote:I find it hard to believe that any of those greens are wrong and I also doubt that wagon was all town.
this is so stupid im moving you to null
How is that stupid? It's not proper procedure to color in suspected town names, but he's doing it to check his work. He has two, partially, conflicting thoughts he has to work through.
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Post Post #5761 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:59 pm

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what incentive does a mafia have for jumping onto an inevitable wagon on a town player near the end when no mafia are in danger and time is ticking down
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Post Post #5762 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:00 pm

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If scum is posting in thread and not voting with deadline coming it looks weird
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Post Post #5763 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:00 pm

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In post 5759, MURDERCAT wrote:Just mathematically it is hard to get that much town to vote together
Agreed, but it was a deadline scramble. My thought is that it only happened because Toog volunteered.
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Post Post #5764 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:00 pm

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i expect mafia behavior near deadline that favors mafia to be what zdenek did - which is basically lurk till deadline without slapping their vote on, not rushing to join a wagon on a green flip ESPECIALLY when the green flip gets to fucking fire a scroll at someone immediately after
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Post Post #5765 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:01 pm

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In post 5762, MURDERCAT wrote:If scum is posting in thread and not voting with deadline coming it looks weird
That's true. They could prod dodge and claim not keeping up but that would still look bad.
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Post Post #5766 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:01 pm

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I agree in general but doubt all 5 scum acted like that. I could be wrong though I'm not betting the game on it
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Post Post #5767 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:02 pm

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specifically I would expect the mafia to be at the beginning of the tooge wagon or off-wagon lurking.

for d2 when Fred became "inevitable" I would expect mafia to be rushing to join the wagon near the end but not on it in the beginning
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Post Post #5768 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:02 pm

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In post 5766, MURDERCAT wrote:I agree in general but doubt all 5 scum acted like that. I could be wrong though I'm not betting the game on it
this is moving the goalposts
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Post Post #5769 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:03 pm

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I am not saying bet the game on the latecomers to the tooge wagon being town, I'm saying I expect those players to be more likely town than scum -

I find it scummy af you looked at that wagon and came to the conclusion ooh some scum must be on there .
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Post Post #5770 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:05 pm

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In post 5766, MURDERCAT wrote:I agree in general but doubt all 5 scum acted like that. I could be wrong though I'm not betting the game on it
That's the rub. We can say what scum should do, but not all 5 would do it. Some would disagree, some might be mia. Looking at what scum should do is a great way to find the face. Looking in the middle of wagons is where to find sheepy scum. Bla bla bla.

We need counterwagons but we can't really afford them.

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Post Post #5771 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:06 pm

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In post 5769, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I am not saying bet the game on the latecomers to the tooge wagon being town, I'm saying I expect those players to be more likely town than scum -

I find it scummy af you looked at that wagon and came to the conclusion ooh some scum must be on there .
That's not an uncommon conclusion. You're townreading shelly and uno. Now the entirety of the Toog wagon. Just who are you scumreading?
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Post Post #5772 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:08 pm

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how many times do i have to say i want to kill taylor-scum before you guys believe me
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Post Post #5773 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:11 pm

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In post 5772, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:how many times do i have to say i want to kill taylor-scum before you guys believe me
There are other scum. I am coming around on Taylor but still...
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Post Post #5774 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:20 pm

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In post 5769, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I am not saying bet the game on the latecomers to the tooge wagon being town, I'm saying I expect those players to be more likely town than scum -

I find it scummy af you looked at that wagon and came to the conclusion ooh some scum must be on there .
My conclusion was based less on position and more on the fact that having 11 town players vote together with no scum is unlikely
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