Mini Theme 2172: Great Idea Mafia - Game Over

[NoPowerOverMe]

Shocked by the number of scum in these rollups:

35 Mason
42 Lover
62 Innocent Child
73 Hero
74 Tourist
74 Tourist
80 Psychiatrist
101 Mafia Strongman
119 Ninja Werewolf
120 Werewolf One Shot PGO
127 Alien Prober
131 Alien Psychotrooper
132 Alien Mass Redirector

[NoPowerOverMe]

7 VT
14 Tracker
20 Seer
24 Roleblocker
25 Jailkeeper
52 Watchlisted Townie
69 One Shot Kingmaker
86 One Shot Townie
114 Werewolf One Shot Bulletproof
121 Werewolf Miller
124 Werewolf Gravedigger
127 Alien Prober
143 Serial Killer

[MURDERCAT]

Can I ask what your goal is?

[NoPowerOverMe]

1 VT
2 VT
10 VT
24 Roleblocker
59 One Shot Governor
70 Weak Jailkeeper
82 Fruit Vendor
91 Mafia Goon
97 Mafia Lover
109 Werewolf
120 Werewolf One Shot PGO
122 Werewolf Supersaint
128 Alien Vanillaizer

[NoPowerOverMe]

To figure out if we should err on the side of more non-town or less non-town. I'm leaning more non-town based on this.

[MURDERCAT]

Well you need to take into account the rest of the info we have.
But whatever works for you

[NoPowerOverMe]

I take into account all info. I just think the odds of 5 non town seem more likely than 4 non town based on this.

[MURDERCAT]

But who is the last scum then? Unless you think it is echo and primate I'm not sure what else makes sense. Unless you think I'm scum but I really think my play has been pretty town forward all game

[NoPowerOverMe]

25 Jailkeeper
40 Mason Lover
46 Retired Werewolf Hunter
48 Miller
54 Black Goo
54 Black Goo
57 Gravedigger
86 One Shot Townie
106 Mafia Compulsive Hider
114 Werewolf One Shot Bulletproof
135 Survivor
144 One Shot Cult Recruiter
145 Wild Card/One Shot Bulletproof

[NoPowerOverMe]

10 VT
17 Cop
28 One Shot Vig
52 Watchlisted Townie
57 Gravedigger
70 Weak Jailkeeper
82 Fruit Vendor
95 Mafia Doctor
99 Mafia One Shot Dayvig
103 Hirsute Goon
107 Mafia Fruit Vendor
135 Survivor
142 Serial Killer(Immune To Werewolf kills)

[NoPowerOverMe]

10 VT
20 Seer
33 Supersaint
37 Mason
73 Hero
76 One Shot Commuter
93 Mafia Godfather
96 Mafia Roleblocker
98 Mafia Seer
124 Werewolf Gravedigger
129 Alien Silencer
134 Alien Sympathiser
135 Survivor

[NoPowerOverMe]

From a survivalist standpoint, I would like to think there is only one mafia/werewolf/alien left. Town has a much better chance in that scenario.

However, looking at the roleups that might be a utopian fantasy. I'm not really sure at this point I'll need to think on it more.

[iamausername]

yeah, Murdercat has this correct, and i definitely don't think he is scum. in general, he reads as town, but in particular, his reaction to Herta's claim doesn't look remotely like it would ever come from anything but a town roleblocker.

i did have a read on Primate as mafia earlier, but his play today makes me think it's probably wrong, and it's not like i have a strong town read on Echo at all. and if Primate is actually a survivor, it just seems mean to deny him the win here, there's really no need.

let's just do this.

VOTE: EchoVision

[NoPowerOverMe]

What's the case on echo and why are you so concerned with Primate getting a win?

[MURDERCAT]

The case on echo is that we think there is a mafia left, if echo is scum he is mafia doc, and his doc targets seem obviously fake when he could have been protecting an IC

[NoPowerOverMe]

Or, echo may have just made a non optimal play and you and user are both mafia?

[MURDERCAT]

Once there's more than 1 mafia, anyone can be mafia

[NoPowerOverMe]

anyone can really be mafia anyways.

[MURDERCAT]

Actually, I guess we can wait to see how long the vote sits on echo, that would show that there's not 2 scum not including username and echo (i.e., there's not 2 scum in {me, you, primate}).

I want to wait a bit anyway because I want to force echo to respond to this stuff

[MURDERCAT]

anyone can really be mafia anyways.

This isn't true if there is only 1 mafia left, because of my claim. If there's only 1 mafia left you and username are both clear.

[NoPowerOverMe]

but you couldl be lying.

[NoPowerOverMe]

The one mafia left two clears scenario sounds a little too-good-to-be-true to me.

[MURDERCAT]

If I am lying, then I am the 1 scum. You and username are then clear still.

[NoPowerOverMe]

There can't be 2 scum with you lying?

[MURDERCAT]

Yes, I am talking only about the 1 scum scenario.

That's fair, but then who is the mafia team? username and primate?

I still think you are clear because if you were scum you would be a wolf.