Open 800 - Donner Party | Game Over

[Guillotina]

@DT given your certainty about PJ, would you say that the Hydra team is spewed town as a result? Or do you think they are w/w and just did pretty good theater?

why do you think they are spewed town? because she voted them initially?

i think PJ being scum makes them more likely to be town, but i prob won't clear them. i probably won't push the hydra slot anymore today though

Yes. PJ advocated it for a policy lynch against Chaos, that would piss me off to the point of making a shitstorm, but Chaos took graciously and even said that they are trying hard not to scum read PJ. The reaction is odd.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes. Posting it again with adjustment:

town: tay, guillo, dt
weak town: chk, johnny, pj
bleh idk: superb, ari
actually idk: sirius, poblong
scum: chaos

Thank you Gamma.

Why do you town read Taylor? If you already explained it, I missed it, sorry.

She reads as unfettered rn. It doesn’t seem like anything is holding her back from just being herself. I feel like when she is scum she lets that warp her play in certain ways, but that could be just based on the circumstances I’ve seen so far.

@Tay the thing we discussed is more for you to get in tune with how I think on a base level. Being able to read me doesn’t mean that wouldn’t be a good thing to still do.

[DoubtingThomas]

why do you town read pj, gamma?

[DoubtingThomas]

2/3 of your town reads hard scum read PJ. you are just a player who doesn't form and work with town core? or what

[Marashu]

Official Vote Count 1.04

Elimination

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

Chaos Triforce

(4): pob long, chkflip, Gamma Emerald, Guillotina

superbowl9

(1): JohnnyFarrar

pob long

(1): Tayl0r Swift

JohnnyFarrar

(1): Chaos Triforce

Guillotina

(1): superbowl9

PlusJOYED

(1): DoubtingThomas

DoubtingThomas

(1): PlusJOYED

Not Voting

(2): Aristophanes, Sirius9121

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-11-21 10:30:00).

Mod notes:

• Aristophanes V/LA until Tuesday
• Added links to the vote counts in the OP

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I don’t really operate in a way that gels well with towncores
I tend to try to push my reads regardless of what the consensus thinks, which is probably often a point both for and against me at times

As for the PJ read, I think he’s operating mostly to what I’ve seen of him, which isn’t great play but it’s earnest play. I think how he’s handling the “lying” thing makes sense with how he’s handled a previous situation like it, and just in general I think not instantly reconsidering there might be a more town-like than scum-like behavior for most people overall (I wouldn’t hold myself to that bar because I tend to be a little more self-critical than most, which leads to me catching those bias more effectively)

[Tayl0r Swift]

noraa how should we be reading johnny and why?

[DoubtingThomas]

i didnt know chaos had 4 votes. that's interesting because i agreed with that sentiment but now feel like PJ is more likely scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i didnt know chaos had 4 votes. that's interesting because i agreed with that sentiment but now feel like PJ is more likely scum.

how are the two things related?

[DoubtingThomas]

i was expressing that i prefer PJ now even though before I would have been ok with the chaos kill. can you share your thought on chaos and PJ?

[Tayl0r Swift]

i was expressing that i prefer PJ now even though before I would have been ok with the chaos kill. can you share your thought on chaos and PJ?

PJ could easily be town. your shitfight makes it hard to read because theres just a lot of noise and everyone is gonna be posturing and aggressive. its not genuine or good faith on either side and so its hard to say.
chaos feels a bit odd but im not ready to scumbin there yet.

like i said, my reads atm are gonna be shit. im gonna mostly sheep gamma. when the shitfights stop ill start getting more active and engaged.

[chkflip]

My townread is meta based. Bowl and I won a scum game together not terribly long ago, and my looking back on it and comparing the two is night and day different. Shit ain't hard.

Still no bowl case.

Not interested in the pissing contest.

I'll check back in after I DM my DnD game tonight.

[PlusJOYED]

Alright I've chilled out somewhat. I recognize that my reaction was mostly omgus, it's been a rough week but I was a bit meaner than I intended, my bad. I think dt's reaction to me is a pretty townie move but I'm not gonna rule them out on being scum yet. But enough that I'm not wanting to go for them and they are probably town. I still hold true that I think his reads felt superfluous and early play I disliked but I think his recent actions were towny.
UNVOTE: doubtingthomas

That leaves ... chk, triforce or gamma?

[DoubtingThomas]

so the norm here is just never listen to anyone else in the game and give blind town reads on multiple people because your reads are somehow the best?

lol

[DoubtingThomas]

'could easily be town' literally doesn't mean anything. you aren't even trying to counter the fact that they have lied or their reaction was horrible. all of these contents i pulled out - for you - means less than what your futile gut reads. makes this game fun

[DoubtingThomas]

every single mafia scum player plays like they are playing a 1v11 game.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Alright I've chilled out somewhat. I recognize that my reaction was mostly omgus, it's been a rough week but I was a bit meaner than I intended, my bad. I think dt's reaction to me is a pretty townie move but I'm not gonna rule them out on being scum yet. But enough that I'm not wanting to go for them and they are probably town. I still hold true that I think his reads felt superfluous and early play I disliked but I think his recent actions were towny.
UNVOTE: doubtingthomas

That leaves ... chk, triforce or gamma?

why have you written everyone else off?

[Guillotina]

Alright. VOTE: pob long

This guy is awfully quiet. Come play.

[DoubtingThomas]

*Someone else points out that someone is scum for reason A, B, C*

*Normal mafia players everywhere else*
*Hm, well reason A isn't true because of D, B might not be true for D, E*

*Mafia scum players*
Mafiascum player 1:Yeah I don't like playing with town cores
Mafiascum player 2:Lol, tHeY EaSilY sTiLl ToWn (doesn't explain anything)
Mafiascum player 3: Piss fighting! Bye! (does absolutely nothing)

clap clap

[Tayl0r Swift]

DT this isnt a normal game, and im thinking the difference is in part because of overly cocky outsiders who are clashing and making no effort to fit in.

[DoubtingThomas]

I am putting in a lot more effort to fit in than others?

It was superb who tried to push me for reasons and I shut them down.
It was PlusJOYED who misrepresented my posts and tried to push me and I shut them down.

I honestly haven't been able to do anything besides defending myself from getting scum read for no reason and be unfairly called as rude? Why do you try to find the fault in me when the said mafiascum players haven't done jackshit besides scum reading me for no reason? Looks like Gamma and I have a decent relationship. Guess what the difference is. Oh they didn't scum read me for wolfy ass reasons.

[DoubtingThomas]

Like sorry if y'all got offended for me saying your meta's day 1 RVS stage meta is shit, but that's my opinion I will stand by. It helps scum way too much. But using just that to categorize me as 'cocky' 'rude' and what not is a little annoying, especially since I've been involved the most in the thread. You are also not trying much to really read me. It was myself that initiated the conversation and asked you a question. I am not sure what you have done to say that I am making no effort to fit in, because I feel like that's far from the truth.

When I make a pretty decent scum pushes after being misrepresented, most of you mafiascum players don't do much due diligence and just shut it down by saying worthless shit like "hah they are easily town". Like that feels more like not putting in effort. if you truly think that, maybe you should explain that? or maybe you should talk to me about why I could be wrong, or better yet, how you could be wrong? After all, I talked to PlusJOYED more than you this game, yes?

the fact that you don't make any sort of attempt to read me, engage me, or talk to me about your difference of read on PlusJOYED that's different than I am either suggests that

a) you think I am a wolf making bs

or

b) you are high and mighty and feel like you are a better player than I am. and you think you are too good to even talk me out of my potential tunnel

either way, don't complain about a newcomer not making enough effort to fit in when you aren't doing better yourself

[Guillotina]

DT this isnt a normal game, and im thinking the difference is in part because of overly cocky outsiders who are clashing and making no effort to fit in.

Fit in to what? In a game where everyone plays differently, what is the norm for people to fit in?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I am putting in a lot more effort to fit in than others?

It was superb who tried to push me for reasons and I shut them down.
It was PlusJOYED who misrepresented my posts and tried to push me and I shut them down.

I honestly haven't been able to do anything besides defending myself from getting scum read for no reason and be unfairly called as rude? Why do you try to find the fault in me when the said mafiascum players haven't done jackshit besides scum reading me for no reason? Looks like Gamma and I have a decent relationship. Guess what the difference is. Oh they didn't scum read me for wolfy ass reasons.

so what are your reads then?

[DoubtingThomas]

you should probably try to 'invite me' to fit in and read my posts. a lot of it is there