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[shellyc]

Official Vote Count 1.6

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to launch.

Not_Mafia

(2): Not_Mafia, TheGoldenParadox

TheGoldenParadox

(5): geraintm, Noraa, JacksonVirgo, Zurel, Tayl0r Swift

(L-2)

Tayl0r Swift

(1): Shoshin

JacksonVirgo

(1): Rockhopper

Shoshin

(1): Herta

Not Voting

(2): nepenthe, TheFuzzylogic99

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-11-18 18:37:20).

Mod notes:

- Hiraki requests to replace nepenthe, and will join us when he confirms.
- Pagetop!

[Hiraki]

ego

[shellyc]

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT

Hiraki replaces nepenthe, please welcome him to the game!

[Not_Mafia]

Welcome, Hiraki!

VOTE: Hiraki

[Hiraki]

It is goddamn near impossible to read NM. I cannot and unless someone else here can, this is the first lim that we go to if we are PLing.

Yucky.

TGP started good but feels really fake in 49.

Post is too long so I snipped it for you but the gist of it is Golden gives like twenty billion people a town pass. That aint towny behavior if u ask me.

Really hate this though.

Golden is trying too hard to justify a NM lim today. NM lim on day 1 are 100% always just low content PLs that do nothing. I proposed the idea to see reactions as well as to suggest something in case the game stalled sometime today. I'm sitting on this wagon for the rest of today unless someone else does something terribly scummy.

??????????

I like Fuzzy's postings. Can't say why though (not a PR hint - just can't explain why).

Ah gotcha, in that case. Who is your top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads. If you do not have that many, say so and give it a shot whether that be from gut or from logic.

Weird ask - hoping it's for the right reason.

109 is bad but it's not scummy. Just not really good logic behind it - even on reads we agree upon.

Looking back. I think Taylors ISO so far is absolute garbage fire.

It's page 6.

You're not *that* new. hm. am I worried this is newbscum now? absolutely.

???

TGP wanted to PL me and is now getting wagoned for it, I guess you could call it, a paradox

who said you were unimaginative?

I like Rockhopper's postings.

I believe scum doesn't do that purposefully. Rather, he just tried to obvtown but rushed it a bit so it came out as extremely scummy.

I understand this but I'm not sure if I agree with it.

So it basically just says Jacko accused you of pocketing but NO you can accuse them back. But for some reason they are still town?
Then Rockhopper jumps out of nowhere and SRs someone and they are a TR for ??? reason?

Bad post.

this pings me
vote: Zurel

I have more equity on noraaa scum for this than Zurel scum. I see a newbie making this 'mistake' as scum but I see noraaa being able to draw Zurel out to make that mistake for a Day 2 or Day 3 conversation.

Okay so TGP is actually scum

How about this - if the wagon I choose today (probably not TGP) doesn't flip red, I will tunnel TGP tomorrow?

so to the people who think its both zurel and TGP, do you think zurel is bussing? zurel stated a scumread before the wagon formed, and imo created the momentum for the wagon going from a couple early votes to a proper wagon.

I noted this before when Rockhopper brought it up but I'd like to go in depth here.

It would make 100% sense for this to be the case but the reason why I don't think this happened was due to placement of reads and how hard Zurel went on those reads. If I'm trying to hide my buddy as a scumread, am I really doing it as my top number one scumread and then not committing to making sure that scumread is lynched? The problem I have with this buss theory is that it's a half-assed bus and I think I'd see a newbie going too hard rather than too soft (more experienced players do the opposite in what I like to think of a 'poker face' gambit because they realize what is at stake if they lose a partner. I don't think newbies have that same knowledge).

rockhopper is kinda the most obvscum atm, dunno why rockhopper is getting a pass for hopping on zurel. its sus too that rockhopper votes zurel who a bunch of people were shading when the wagon is on TGP.

I think you're reading a little too hard into the silence but I understand that's nothing I can convince you on.

Shoshin is explaining nothing and parked on Taylor for reasons?

VOTE: Shoshin

Yeah, this slot flips red.

You are going to help catch scum soon, right???I get having fun but part of the game is to follow your win con and you are not doing it if you are town.

Incorrect - N_M will continue to do this all game. He'll be helpful though.

FYI - TGP is effectively at L-1. N_M will hammer TGP once he gets to L-1 with or without claim. It's just an N_M thing.

hiii noraa would you like to reevaluate your read on me because you know i'm town :^(

Yikes

Herta, I think there are other better slots to go after for the time being.

This does ping me though, especially if Herta flips red.

@Mod: Can you confirm if scum have daytalk?

I don't think you can but it's worth a shot.

Vote: Herta

[shellyc]

@Mod: Can you confirm if scum have daytalk?

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[Hiraki]

Ah, beautiful. Thanks. Throws out that theory then.

[Zurel]

@Hiraki, what exactly was the 'mistake' you said I made? Referring to 193, Rockhopper's post that you quoted.

Also I'm not seeing why people are voting Herta. But I will reread tomorrow and sort the players better.

[Zurel]

*voting Herta/ saying he's scum.

[Hiraki]

You called out two scumreads and then didn't vote either of them until a wagon started. Some people see that as a hard and fast scumtell since you're saying something but not doing it. To make it worse, you then voted once someone else did as if it wasn't of your on volition. I don't have 100% equity in that but I do see it as an anti-town move.

[Not_Mafia]

TGP and Zurel are lockscum

[Zurel]

TGP and Zurel are lockscum

I thought you were scum with me and TGP. When did you leave the PT?

[Zurel]

You called out two scumreads and then didn't vote either of them until a wagon started. Some people see that as a hard and fast scumtell since you're saying something but not doing it. To make it worse, you then voted once someone else did as if it wasn't of your on volition. I don't have 100% equity in that but I do see it as an anti-town move.

I will keep that in mind for future I guess. Though I did already give explanation to Rock when he raised the point.

[TheGoldenParadox]

vt

[Noraa]

love your energy, noraa

Why do you scumread this, Nora?

a little bit of buddying doesn't get anyone a TR from me.

A list of towny to scummy:

Geraint
Jackson
Zurel
Nora
Rock
Herta
NM
Golden
Nepenthe
Fuzzy
Taylor

I'm probably wrong.

I should be at the top >:(

NM, why you so attentive to this game? That seems unusual for you.

+townpoints. willing to town bin for this post specifically.

NM, why you so attentive to this game? That seems unusual for you.

This is NM being attentive? Oh, wow.

Oh you sweet summer child

BAHAHAHA. I agree with shoshin. NM is being quite talky this game
*pats NM on the back*
My spammy nature is contagious

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Just for Nora

[JacksonVirgo]

Prodge for now

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Hiraki-0 Thanks for subbing in,
- what makes you think NM will be useful. Your logic seems fuzzy.
- can you explain your scum read on Herta. Seems a bit random. Cna you explain your logic please.

Shoshin- are your reads , logic gut or maybe both?

[Noraa]

Just for Nora

Just for Nora

This I would see as pocketing O_O
except I dont think scum pocket like this. They try to make it ... slicker.
I can town bin you for now.

Town bin now contains: NM, fuzzy, and Shoshin
Scum bin contains: Golden and ofc shelly welly who always rolls scum(even in the games she mods)

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

It is goddamn near impossible to read NM. I cannot and unless someone else here can, this is the first lim that we go to if we are PLing.

Yucky.

TGP started good but feels really fake in 49.

Post is too long so I snipped it for you but the gist of it is Golden gives like twenty billion people a town pass. That aint towny behavior if u ask me.

Really hate this though.

Golden is trying too hard to justify a NM lim today. NM lim on day 1 are 100% always just low content PLs that do nothing. I proposed the idea to see reactions as well as to suggest something in case the game stalled sometime today. I'm sitting on this wagon for the rest of today unless someone else does something terribly scummy.

??????????

I like Fuzzy's postings. Can't say why though (not a PR hint - just can't explain why).

Ah gotcha, in that case. Who is your top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads. If you do not have that many, say so and give it a shot whether that be from gut or from logic.

Weird ask - hoping it's for the right reason.

109 is bad but it's not scummy. Just not really good logic behind it - even on reads we agree upon.

Looking back. I think Taylors ISO so far is absolute garbage fire.

It's page 6.

You're not *that* new. hm. am I worried this is newbscum now? absolutely.

???

TGP wanted to PL me and is now getting wagoned for it, I guess you could call it, a paradox

who said you were unimaginative?

I like Rockhopper's postings.

I believe scum doesn't do that purposefully. Rather, he just tried to obvtown but rushed it a bit so it came out as extremely scummy.

I understand this but I'm not sure if I agree with it.

So it basically just says Jacko accused you of pocketing but NO you can accuse them back. But for some reason they are still town?
Then Rockhopper jumps out of nowhere and SRs someone and they are a TR for ??? reason?

Bad post.

this pings me
vote: Zurel

I have more equity on noraaa scum for this than Zurel scum. I see a newbie making this 'mistake' as scum but I see noraaa being able to draw Zurel out to make that mistake for a Day 2 or Day 3 conversation.

Okay so TGP is actually scum

How about this - if the wagon I choose today (probably not TGP) doesn't flip red, I will tunnel TGP tomorrow?

so to the people who think its both zurel and TGP, do you think zurel is bussing? zurel stated a scumread before the wagon formed, and imo created the momentum for the wagon going from a couple early votes to a proper wagon.

I noted this before when Rockhopper brought it up but I'd like to go in depth here.

It would make 100% sense for this to be the case but the reason why I don't think this happened was due to placement of reads and how hard Zurel went on those reads. If I'm trying to hide my buddy as a scumread, am I really doing it as my top number one scumread and then not committing to making sure that scumread is lynched? The problem I have with this buss theory is that it's a half-assed bus and I think I'd see a newbie going too hard rather than too soft (more experienced players do the opposite in what I like to think of a 'poker face' gambit because they realize what is at stake if they lose a partner. I don't think newbies have that same knowledge).

rockhopper is kinda the most obvscum atm, dunno why rockhopper is getting a pass for hopping on zurel. its sus too that rockhopper votes zurel who a bunch of people were shading when the wagon is on TGP.

I think you're reading a little too hard into the silence but I understand that's nothing I can convince you on.

Shoshin is explaining nothing and parked on Taylor for reasons?

VOTE: Shoshin

Yeah, this slot flips red.

You are going to help catch scum soon, right???I get having fun but part of the game is to follow your win con and you are not doing it if you are town.

Incorrect - N_M will continue to do this all game. He'll be helpful though.

FYI - TGP is effectively at L-1. N_M will hammer TGP once he gets to L-1 with or without claim. It's just an N_M thing.

hiii noraa would you like to reevaluate your read on me because you know i'm town :^(

Yikes

Herta, I think there are other better slots to go after for the time being.

This does ping me though, especially if Herta flips red.

@Mod: Can you confirm if scum have daytalk?

I don't think you can but it's worth a shot.

Vote: Herta

A long few moments later, Noraa finally reads the wall post -________-
Thank you Hiraki for making long ass posts that suck ass to read >:(
The lack of interaction with Golden and the noticeable kind of avoiding Golden but slightly agreeing with consensus with the "yikes" makes me think high partner equity. Scum bin for you, sir.

[Noraa]

Town bin now contains: NM, fuzzy, and Shoshin
Scum bin contains: Golden, Hiraki, and Shelly welly

Now we're just missing one scum and the game's solved
Im being overly positive considering this solve might have some problems but eh, idc. Let a girl dream.

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

It is goddamn near impossible to read NM. I cannot and unless someone else here can, this is the first lim that we go to if we are PLing.

Yucky.

TGP started good but feels really fake in 49.

Post is too long so I snipped it for you but the gist of it is Golden gives like twenty billion people a town pass. That aint towny behavior if u ask me.

Really hate this though.

Golden is trying too hard to justify a NM lim today. NM lim on day 1 are 100% always just low content PLs that do nothing. I proposed the idea to see reactions as well as to suggest something in case the game stalled sometime today. I'm sitting on this wagon for the rest of today unless someone else does something terribly scummy.

??????????

I like Fuzzy's postings. Can't say why though (not a PR hint - just can't explain why).

Ah gotcha, in that case. Who is your top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads. If you do not have that many, say so and give it a shot whether that be from gut or from logic.

Weird ask - hoping it's for the right reason.

109 is bad but it's not scummy. Just not really good logic behind it - even on reads we agree upon.

Looking back. I think Taylors ISO so far is absolute garbage fire.

It's page 6.

You're not *that* new. hm. am I worried this is newbscum now? absolutely.

???

TGP wanted to PL me and is now getting wagoned for it, I guess you could call it, a paradox

who said you were unimaginative?

I like Rockhopper's postings.

I believe scum doesn't do that purposefully. Rather, he just tried to obvtown but rushed it a bit so it came out as extremely scummy.

I understand this but I'm not sure if I agree with it.

So it basically just says Jacko accused you of pocketing but NO you can accuse them back. But for some reason they are still town?
Then Rockhopper jumps out of nowhere and SRs someone and they are a TR for ??? reason?

Bad post.

this pings me
vote: Zurel

I have more equity on noraaa scum for this than Zurel scum. I see a newbie making this 'mistake' as scum but I see noraaa being able to draw Zurel out to make that mistake for a Day 2 or Day 3 conversation.

Okay so TGP is actually scum

How about this - if the wagon I choose today (probably not TGP) doesn't flip red, I will tunnel TGP tomorrow?

so to the people who think its both zurel and TGP, do you think zurel is bussing? zurel stated a scumread before the wagon formed, and imo created the momentum for the wagon going from a couple early votes to a proper wagon.

I noted this before when Rockhopper brought it up but I'd like to go in depth here.

It would make 100% sense for this to be the case but the reason why I don't think this happened was due to placement of reads and how hard Zurel went on those reads. If I'm trying to hide my buddy as a scumread, am I really doing it as my top number one scumread and then not committing to making sure that scumread is lynched? The problem I have with this buss theory is that it's a half-assed bus and I think I'd see a newbie going too hard rather than too soft (more experienced players do the opposite in what I like to think of a 'poker face' gambit because they realize what is at stake if they lose a partner. I don't think newbies have that same knowledge).

rockhopper is kinda the most obvscum atm, dunno why rockhopper is getting a pass for hopping on zurel. its sus too that rockhopper votes zurel who a bunch of people were shading when the wagon is on TGP.

I think you're reading a little too hard into the silence but I understand that's nothing I can convince you on.

Shoshin is explaining nothing and parked on Taylor for reasons?

VOTE: Shoshin

Yeah, this slot flips red.

You are going to help catch scum soon, right???I get having fun but part of the game is to follow your win con and you are not doing it if you are town.

Incorrect - N_M will continue to do this all game. He'll be helpful though.

FYI - TGP is effectively at L-1. N_M will hammer TGP once he gets to L-1 with or without claim. It's just an N_M thing.

hiii noraa would you like to reevaluate your read on me because you know i'm town :^(

Yikes

Herta, I think there are other better slots to go after for the time being.

This does ping me though, especially if Herta flips red.

@Mod: Can you confirm if scum have daytalk?

I don't think you can but it's worth a shot.

Vote: Herta

A long few moments later, Noraa finally reads the wall post -________-
Thank you Hiraki for making long ass posts that suck ass to read >:(
The lack of interaction with Golden and the noticeable kind of avoiding Golden but slightly agreeing with consensus with the "yikes" makes me think high partner equity. Scum bin for you, sir.

Anyone else read that wall post and think the same thing? Gotta confirm that I'm not going insane. But either way, I defo felt something was off there.
He ran in and shaded the biggest pusher of Golden, avoids quoting most of Goldens posts that look extremely bad and just sums it up saying he looked towny at one point and then went downhill. He seems to be pushing a "Golden is just badtown" perspective. Then he quotes one of Golden's posts at the very end and hidden in a bunch of quotes anyways and says "Yikes"
Feels like hardcore scum theater.

[Zurel]

Is everyone ignoring 288? Is that a claim?

[Noraa]

Apologies for all the paragraphs but everyone please read them. I might legit solve the game on day 1. I've never done it successfully before but I'm feeling really hopeful about this solve atm.

[Noraa]

Is everyone ignoring 288? Is that a claim?

ooo I actually didn't see that post. dunno why it didn't show up in pedits but it doesn't matter and if its a claim, thats dumb. Aint no one did intent and he's not even at E-1.