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[VP Baltar]

I didn’t think it was a hammer. You guys are bad at counting.

I knew it wasn't a hammer. But wanted to see the fake. Taylor is probably still scum here

[Flavor Leaf]

are you sure a50 is town here FL

Nah, I lost it. I read him as town when he replaced in, and usually I’m correct at calling it out. He town read me Day 2, which comes off as townie to me, but i haven’t talked directly with him in a while.

[VP Baltar]

ok and A50 is town after all

Why's that again?

[VP Baltar]

Also fml this game has to drag on more when we need a flip

[Andresvmb]

Wait, what? I did actually think that was a hammer. And Scum don’t have daytalk @Koba so Tayl0r must have figured that out by herself.

[VP Baltar]

Taylor/A50/nm might be the squad here. They could be holding rank since NM doesn't talk and has few associatives. Plus lack of day talk probably means bussing is less likely since scum don't want to hurt each other's feelings without asking first.

Infinity is alternate for Taylor.

[VP Baltar]

I'm debating if my death helps crack this open fully today. Me flipping green could show my hypothesis is correct and lead to a faster victory than of we even yeet scum today.

[Andresvmb]

Sigh. I’ll sheep you on Marky Mark then Tayl0r, which narrows the pool quite substantially for me.

yeah thats what im asking. just sheep that townread, at least for now. and as tempting as it is to paranoia scumread flavor, i think i can actually read flavor. and i think flavor is town aside from the claim.

I was going to sheep this in the event you flipped Town. Since I don’t know that yet I’ll maintain my skepticism for now.

[Andresvmb]

I'm debating if my death helps crack this open fully today. Me flipping green could show my hypothesis is correct and lead to a faster victory than of we even yeet scum today.

It doesn’t. Because I can clear you easily if Tayl0r flips Scum.

[Infinity 324]

I'm debating if my death helps crack this open fully today. Me flipping green could show my hypothesis is correct and lead to a faster victory than of we even yeet scum today.

Do people really think this is genuine?

[Andresvmb]

I'm debating if my death helps crack this open fully today. Me flipping green could show my hypothesis is correct and lead to a faster victory than of we even yeet scum today.

Do people really think this is genuine?

To a limited extent, yes. I am actually kind of looking forward to being flipped this game only so that I can tell Flavor that I told you so. If Flavor changes their mind before then it’s not as fun.

[VP Baltar]

I'm debating if my death helps crack this open fully today. Me flipping green could show my hypothesis is correct and lead to a faster victory than of we even yeet scum today.

It doesn’t. Because I can clear you easily if Tayl0r flips Scum.

Sure. The problem is that there are too many town who think taylor and infinity are both town here.

If I die, enough people will see that's not true. Whichever of taylor and infinity are getting dupped here would have to acknowledge I was right

[Andresvmb]

I'm debating if my death helps crack this open fully today. Me flipping green could show my hypothesis is correct and lead to a faster victory than of we even yeet scum today.

It doesn’t. Because I can clear you easily if Tayl0r flips Scum.

Sure. The problem is that there are too many town who think taylor and infinity are both town here.

If I die, enough people will see that's not true. Whichever of taylor and infinity are getting dupped here would have to acknowledge I was right

Yeah but you got Tayl0r to L-1.

Also, why did Not_Mafia unvote exactly? I’m not sure I understand that one.

[Andresvmb]

I'm debating if my death helps crack this open fully today. Me flipping green could show my hypothesis is correct and lead to a faster victory than of we even yeet scum today.

It doesn’t. Because I can clear you easily if Tayl0r flips Scum.

Sure. The problem is that there are too many town who think taylor and infinity are both town here.

If I die, enough people will see that's not true. Whichever of taylor and infinity are getting dupped here would have to acknowledge I was right

And I’m going to be honest. I was thinking about Infinity’s claim. Based on the fact that they basically verified Flavor to a small extent prior to Koba basically confirming them as Town (unless you think the three of them are the Team, which is preposterous in my mind), I think Infinity has to be Town.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah but you got Tayl0r to L-1.

I guess the prob is that taylor COULD be the town here. It is a 50/50 with infinity. If I'm wrong, that's very bad for town since I will need to go

[Andresvmb]

Which means, I’m somewhat annoyed that they claimed (and the way that they went about it). But at the same time, it probably avoids a mis-execution, and that’s valuable.

[VP Baltar]

I think Infinity has to be Town.

Hmm. Yeah maybe. Like if you were scum, wouldn't you chose a weaker player to fake verify? That's not a terrible point

[VP Baltar]

Counterargument would be that placating a strong player could keep pressure off in the short term

[Andresvmb]

Like I’m going to dismiss the fact that the three are the Scum Team. That’s obviously not the case. Koba had Flavor as a top TR much prior revealing that Flavor was the Friendly Neighbor and they in fact knew that Flavor was Town. And prior to the revelation, Infinity confirms that Flavor did not commit the NK. Since this happened prior to the revelation, it strengthens the mechanical narrative that Infinity is Town. I think I need to recognize that this is in fact reality. Which makes me skeptical of you VPB because you should be able to acknowledge this.

I think that if Tayl0r is Town, I think that VPB is always Scum. And I also think that Infinity should not be executed in this game.

[Andresvmb]

I garbled that sentence. Let me try again. The logic goes something like this. You have two players that are advocating for Flavor Town here, and Flavor has also made a convincing Claim. The weaker argument came first. So to some extent, you have to admit that it can be trusted. Which makes me think that it’s coming from Town almost always.

[Andresvmb]

You could perhaps argue that they are trying to placate a strong player. But they will obviously continue to make checks. So they’re going to have to continue clearing players, and the longer they stick around, the stronger the actual revelation becomes.

I will fully admit that I think (i) I underestimated Infinity’s claim, and (ii) that I was wrong to so forcefully argue that they were Scum based on how they reacted to DGB’s accusation.

[Andresvmb]

However, it was definitely sub-optimal. That I won’t take back.

[Infinity 324]

Fair enough.

[Andresvmb]

I think I would like to be on the side of the vote that contains {Koba, Flavor, Infinity}. Provided it’s not me obviously. And that should be the Town core here.

[VP Baltar]

@andres - you realize I was saying flavor town long ago, right?