Death Curse

[Bell]

I haz no scum reads. I haz only one life to give to this town but i changed my mind and have become a bearward

[Bell]

I must scroll Bell third, lest he scroll me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what's a bearward

[Bell]

*Yawn*

It's bear or fidget.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lol it's obv not me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

just dont scroll me third so i get a chance to drive the choo choo train

[Bell]

Have my solve.

Questioned and requestioned it.

If you think I shifted momentum against my own team and bussed 3 of my buddies, you're a good person but maybe mafia isn't for you.

[Bell]

what's a bearward

It's the bear version of a cow-ard.

[Flea The Magician]

Arrogance doesn't suit you bell

This isn't stirring discussion.

[Bell]

Arrogance doesn't suit you bell

This isn't stirring discussion.

It would be arrogance if I didn't read and reread to make sure the game's solved.

This is just floundering on town's part.
I get that people don't like doing things, esp. Things like ending games without looking cool first, but you really should just release me from this torture of having to play a solved game further.
I'm not that interested in the social manipulation side of the game. Just the solving part. My interest in this game died the moment I felt pretty good about winning.

[Bell]

I abdicate further responsibility for how this game goes.

I will prod dodge until the game ends.

[UNOwen]

The only players to have actually done that have been scum, you do realize that right?

Eh, Toog went for some sort of gameshow countdown, Vax pulled a bait and switch on Hopkirk and LLD hit Theta then bounced. Mainly I'm concerned about being sucker punched by the scroll and Hectic sending me to the dead thread without the chance to say a word.

I won't. I feel bad I accidentally hammered Flea.

Ta.

[UNOwen]

The point at this stage is town needs to cannibalise itself. There's a deepwolf.

This is why I'm telling people to criticise their reads and do so publicly so holes can be found, questions raised and discussion is stirred. Hopefully forcing scum to slip up.

We don't know that. You could be scum wanting to amuse yourself by forcing us to question everything we think for the next few days. If you are not scum, then Pooky is my call because he has spent the majority of the game tunneling town!Taylor, he tried to defend shelly based on vote count analysis and maybe Fred was telling the truth that I was wrong to trust him. If not him then Fidget is my next weakest read, but I don't think she is scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im pretty sure hectic would end the game if flea was scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and theres no way scum!flea doesnt just concede the game

[UNOwen]

I'd hope they would, but it's not impossible that's what is happening.

[Fidget]

Spoiler:

- Noraa -

Shelly pushed hard for her to get killed in a way that seemed very disingenuous to me.
She went outside of her emotional range as scum during day one
Hard tunneled not by one, but two scum. I am near certain Fred wouldn't have done that had Noraa been scum.

I would never believe it if Noraa is scum this game. I really couldn't.


- Bell -

The earliest to call out shelly for being scum.
Had that particular reaction to being pushed I have observed him do in every town game. I suspect he's outside of his emotional range just as Noraa is.
Zdenek's 753 lol
Something about this one. Generally all of his posts towards shelly feel genuine to me
Bell also murderized Zdenek/Fred, even back before everybody was on Fred. He preferred Zdenek as scum to most of the other low posters and also over me I think
Lapsa blaming Bell for him noping out
Fred area in general is really good. Plus the area after the flip. I'm pretty happy with it

Overall a really good game for Bell if scum, but I don't think so. I think he's out of his scumrange from what I have heard about it in Antechamber + (Monks or 2d3 i forget which).


- Pooky -

I believe it that the fun got sucked out of this game for him during D1 with the Isis stuff. I think his apathetical attitude during D2 was real as well.
The prickliness towards Taylor and Murderkitty surprises me if he's scum, it reads to me he's town that just doesn't care.
Does Pooky pull this sort of stuff as scum? He's a good scum player from what I have heard/seen, I think Pooky would have cared more about playing the game beyond (mostly) being spiteful towards people suspecting him and getting apathetic. Yes he did way more than that, granted, but this is just completely a completely new look I've never seen from him before, I suppose.
Specifically the spitefulness towards Murderkitty feels genuine every time I read it

Not a ton of this read is rooted in associations, I guess it's more about how I'm feeling Pooky would play if scum. Weaker than the other two for sure.


- Murderkitty -

Generally have heard that he is out of his scumrange, although I've never played with him before.
The overconfidence in his solve D1 -> the sadness the followed D2 felt real to me. I am impressed if he went for that as scum. No hedging bets, he just felt like he had the solve right, he wasn't, and then he had to deal w/ that.
Good shelly scumread of course. Surely if she was his designated bus, he'd have agreed with me more that her reaction was totally faked? I notice on D3 he went pretty hard on her being scum, but not before there.
During/after shelly's death he is spot-on with DGB/Titus being two of the scum remaining
Very much has the best final 2 imo (Bell/Noraa)

(-) Was okay with the Noraa/Pooky/Taylor nuke because they were difficult to read
(-) Somewhat responsible for getting the three town killed D1. Strongly advocated for Noraa being killed as an information flip for a while. I am not terribly bothered by these, but I suppose I should note them
(-) Did kinda add fuel to possible townbloc destruction by doubting Fred wagon
(-) 4500 Maintained a LLD suspicion (and a Pooky one). Caved into the Fred wagon only after casing LLD/Pooky and saying we were probably being "snowed by strong scum". Wanted LLD dead even after Fred died.

Don't get me wrong I like Murderkitty a lot, I just found a lot of ways to tinfoil him I guess. I think his attitude towards it being blatantly obvious he's town when I mentioned suspecting him earlier is also probably town indicative since I'm sure I'm missing/forgetting a lot of the things that made him obvtown during the early game especially.

zzZzZzzz too tired to do Gloria/UNOwen, but it is likely I'd shoot the two of em before these four or at least UNOwen. At the moment I'd shoot UNOwen then Gloria then Pooky then Murderkitty. I might swap Gloria and Pooky after actually reading there too.

Conclusion: It's certainly possible Pooky could have a "don't care" attitude as scum and I'm just wrong on him, sure. Murdercat played in a way that would have actually given his team a chance (doubting Fred wagon and saying we should be looking at Pooky/LLD snowing us instead), but he dropped that after a while. And it's not Bell/Noraa.

[Flea The Magician]

Thing is bell, you've got this great solve by PoE, you've supposedly gone through your reads twice and challenged them yourself.

But what about letting others challenge your reasoning? What if others see something you've missed?


I can promise you if I was scum, I would have conceded and congratulated town on the win. If I was scum this would frankly be cruel. There's better ways to amuse myself, like Binding of Isaac, Among Us, and several other games.

[Bell]

Can I get back to you on Wednesday. I have a job interview to prepare for.
I'm only posting now because I can't sleep.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm dead by then. At best I have while Tuesday.

Go rest! sleep is important for interviews! good luck <3

[Fidget]

Good luck with the interview Bell.

I'm just gonna take a shortcut with Gloria and say the kind of attitude she is taking after the DGB flip probably comes from town among other things I don't feel like looking thru.

After finishing that post, I feel like I saw someone mention Pooky might have tried to block the Fred elim at first using VCA or something. I can't find it but sure. I'll put UNOwen/Pooky as my guess.

[Flea The Magician]

[h]Gloria[/h]

Lets have some fun.

[Flea The Magician]

EBOWP

HURT: Gloria

Lets have some fun.

[Hectic]

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Votecount 5.1

(FINAL)

[5] Flea The Magician:

Bell, PookyTheMagicalBear, MURDERCAT, UNOwen, Fidget

HAMMER

[3] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary, Flea The Magician, Noraa

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-21 17:05:33).

Joint moderator ISO.

[Hectic]

Flea The Magician

is the

scroll bearer!

They now have 2 days to pick a player they'd like to pass the scroll to, using a VOTE:

I'll allow placeholder votes using the HURT: tags in the event the player is afraid they'll forget to pass it on. The person it's passed to will simply default to the placeholder they've put down earlier.
If no placeholder vote was used, I'll pick the last living/non-cursed player the scroll bearer has voted in the game to receive the scroll.
If the above is not applicable, I'll allow mafia to pick.

Timer: (expired on 2020-11-17 08:09:12)