Open 800 - Donner Party | Game Over

[Guillotina]

Chaos is town.

I'm undecided on Guillotina - lots of examples of selective reading, bad faith arguments, and strawmanning, which would suggest scum. But the abrasive, confrontational and un-cooperative approach makes me think town. I don't think Guillotina-scum survives long in this game, so willing to give the benefit of the doubt for today at least.

My initial hero solve is Gamma-Tom-Aristo, although I haven't read all the way through yet.

Also, can you explain to me what “stawmanning” is please?

strawmanning is when you suggest someone is making a particular argument, which they are not making, and then proceed to explain why that argument doesn't hold.

I know this is a lot to ask but as someone who is always trying to become better at playing this game, would you mind pointing examples of strawmanning in my posts? Thank you

[Tayl0r Swift]

Chaos is town.

I'm undecided on Guillotina - lots of examples of selective reading, bad faith arguments, and strawmanning, which would suggest scum. But the abrasive, confrontational and un-cooperative approach makes me think town. I don't think Guillotina-scum survives long in this game, so willing to give the benefit of the doubt for today at least.

My initial hero solve is Gamma-Tom-Aristo, although I haven't read all the way through yet.

You are town.

The best way to categorize me is that I'm a bad scummy town. Take a deep look at those who try to yeet me or cast suspicions on me for ridiculous reasons instead.

you were so cocky yesterday! what happened?

[Tayl0r Swift]

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

ok

i think guillo is probably just scum here and should die.

So you doubt im scum and i should die anyways. Good to know

me: youre most likely scum and should therefore die
you: you said im most likely town and should die anyway

[Guillotina]

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

[Battle Mage]

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

if you're town, you don't do yourself any favours.

Yah? Why is that?

because you're arguing about sod all for the sake of it.

Im sorry, can you elaborate on that?

Arguing about sod

?

lol in my country "sod all" is a nice way of saying "fk all" i.e. nothing

where are you from?

[Battle Mage]

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive too long. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

[Guillotina]

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

ok

i think guillo is probably just scum here and should die.

So you doubt im scum and i should die anyways. Good to know

me: youre most likely scum and should therefore die
you: you said im most likely town and should die anyway

You didnt say most likely, you said Im

probably

just scum. Probably indicates doubt like words such as maybe, perhaps etc. So you said that maybe im just scum and you are willing to yeet me without certainty of your own read.

If I say... hmmm maybe you are scum, lets kill you. How would you take it?

[Guillotina]

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

if you're town, you don't do yourself any favours.

Yah? Why is that?

because you're arguing about sod all for the sake of it.

Im sorry, can you elaborate on that?

Arguing about sod

?

lol in my country "sod all" is a nice way of saying "fk all" i.e. nothing

where are you from?

Oh ok. I live in Las Vegas but im originally from Colombia, South America.

[Battle Mage]

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

ok

i think guillo is probably just scum here and should die.

So you doubt im scum and i should die anyways. Good to know

me: youre most likely scum and should therefore die
you: you said im most likely town and should die anyway

You didnt say most likely, you said Im

probably

just scum. Probably indicates doubt like words such as maybe, perhaps etc. So you said that maybe im just scum and you are willing to yeet me without certainty of your own read.

If I say... hmmm maybe you are scum, lets kill you. How would you take it?

ooh ooh I can answer this!

It's completely normal not to express absolute certainty in your reads, especially on Day 1 when it's unlikely you have any mechanical knowledge of the game. Also "probably" and "maybe" are different. This, btw, is an example of strawmanning - you're attacking Taylor for something that she didn't say, although even if she had said it, it wouldnt have been particularly scummy.

[Battle Mage]

anyway, let's turn up the heat on pob long!

[Tayl0r Swift]

most people are probably town. ~75% or so.
lets say that probably means >50% (the most conservative definition)
if you are probably scum, that means you are twice as likely as random to flip scum. its day 1, and im gonna hedge because im not sure of anything. i dont like to pretend that my scumreads are definitely scum.

[Battle Mage]

i dont like to pretend that my scumreads are definitely scum.

hey, is that a shot at me?

[Guillotina]

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive too long. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

I do have a low tolerance for coasting scum players too but pob long has not done anything to make me think he is either alignment. I'd rather wait to see if he gets substituted by someone who actually wanna play the game because that slot could be a town PR you know?

That said, i'd yeet him out of self preservation.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i dont like to pretend that my scumreads are definitely scum.

hey, is that a shot at me?

it wasnt meant that way. you have definitely done that in the past, but new leaf right?

[Battle Mage]

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive too long. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

I do have a low tolerance for coasting scum players too but pob long has not done anything to make me think he is either alignment. I'd rather wait to see if he gets substituted by someone who actually wanna play the game because that slot could be a town PR you know?

That said, i'd yeet him out of self preservation.

why do you think he's gonna get substituted?

[Battle Mage]

i dont like to pretend that my scumreads are definitely scum.

hey, is that a shot at me?

it wasnt meant that way. you have definitely done that in the past, but new leaf right?

hmm, wasn't

pretending

, just confident...

[Guillotina]

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

ok

i think guillo is probably just scum here and should die.

So you doubt im scum and i should die anyways. Good to know

me: youre most likely scum and should therefore die
you: you said im most likely town and should die anyway

You didnt say most likely, you said Im

probably

just scum. Probably indicates doubt like words such as maybe, perhaps etc. So you said that maybe im just scum and you are willing to yeet me without certainty of your own read.

If I say... hmmm maybe you are scum, lets kill you. How would you take it?

ooh ooh I can answer this!

It's completely normal not to express absolute certainty in your reads, especially on Day 1 when it's unlikely you have any mechanical knowledge of the game. Also "probably" and "maybe" are different. This, btw, is an example of strawmanning - you're attacking Taylor for something that she didn't say, although even if she had said it, it wouldnt have been particularly scummy.

Ok for the record. Im not attacking Tayl0r... im defending myself from Tayl0r.
I'm town so my interpretation might be different than the intended message from someone accusing me of being scum thus I countered it with the intention to get more information.

[Guillotina]

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive too long. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

I do have a low tolerance for coasting scum players too but pob long has not done anything to make me think he is either alignment. I'd rather wait to see if he gets substituted by someone who actually wanna play the game because that slot could be a town PR you know?

That said, i'd yeet him out of self preservation.

why do you think he's gonna get substituted?

The rules says you gotta post once the first 48 hours and then after that, once every 24 hours. I've hosted games too and as a host if a player ghosts the game i process a substitution.

[Guillotina]

Chaos is town.

I'm undecided on Guillotina - lots of examples of selective reading, bad faith arguments, and strawmanning, which would suggest scum. But the abrasive, confrontational and un-cooperative approach makes me think town. I don't think Guillotina-scum survives long in this game, so willing to give the benefit of the doubt for today at least.

My initial hero solve is Gamma-Tom-Aristo, although I haven't read all the way through yet.

You are town.

The best way to categorize me is that I'm a bad scummy town. Take a deep look at those who try to yeet me or cast suspicions on me for ridiculous reasons instead.

you were so cocky yesterday! what happened?

I have my days of humility. Don't hate!

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think the rules state that you have to post once every 48 hours, and if you fail to do so you get prodded. after a prod you have 24 hours to post before getting replaced.

[Battle Mage]

Honest Thomas:

Spoiler:

the ongoing one I

honestly

barely read anyone

I

honestly

haven't been able to do anything besides defending myself from getting scum read

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

how does this even make sense? i dont think you are understanding stuff correctly here or you arent communicating to me correctly

besides the fact that it's not true

I really haven't read much,

tbh

. I really planned on trying to stay out of the thread

Snoooooooore

@guillotine where you played before did you scumread people who posted four pages of nothing?

I was responding to this post,

tbh

Snoooooooore

@guillotine where you played before did you scumread people who posted four pages of nothing?

I was responding to this post, tbh

I don't believe your push on me is real,

tbh

.

[Guillotina]

i think the rules state that you have to post once every 48 hours, and if you fail to do so you get prodded. after a prod you have 24 hours to post before getting replaced.

What is getting “prodded” by the way? I keep seeing the term here. Like a warning?

[Tayl0r Swift]

the mod sends you a PM "prodding" you so you come back to the game. like a cattle prod to get the cow moving.

[Battle Mage]

i think the rules state that you have to post once every 48 hours, and if you fail to do so you get prodded. after a prod you have 24 hours to post before getting replaced.

What is getting “prodded” by the way? I keep seeing the term here. Like a warning?

a prod is a private message saying "please post". In reality, and especially in a game like this, Mods are not always meticulous on prodding after that time frame. And pob long HAS posted, he just hasn't said much.

No comment from Taylor on pob long?

[Battle Mage]

my last open game had already finished by now.