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Post Post #1200 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:34 pm

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In post 1174, Guillotina wrote:
In post 1164, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 1153, Guillotina wrote:But here is the thing. No wolf is gonna openly talk about policy eliminations.
also not true proven by experience both personal and witnessing someone else
Can that experience be corroborated?
in terms of how my experience was when i did that? yes there was no consequence in me calling for policy lim and as scum i knew once the town flipped ttown, i wouldn't get heat for anything besides 'why would you try to policy lim??'

calling for policy lim also gives more confusion and negative feeling in the thread that is beneficial for scums, along with another positive (for scum) side effect of making people become more emotional, away from logic and truth
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Post Post #1201 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:35 pm

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Johnny probably staying away from interacting with me and 'calming the thread' while not really taking a stance besides his vote on me is scummy, imo
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Post Post #1202 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:37 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 96, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 22, Guillotina wrote:Hi guys. First game here. :)

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Sup dude!
@guil also do you know Tommy?
In post 341, JohnnyFarrar wrote:So y'all don't buy into Tommie's assertion that super B is being disingenuous?
In post 555, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 554, Guillotina wrote:Disagreed. You are starting to bother me because you keep talking about flipping a coin as if my reasons are not valid to scum read him. I hosts games Johnny, I've seen several kinds of scum and chkflip flips the profile of one of those kinds!Our chances of finding scum on Day 1 are the same regardless of the method. Bad does not NECESSARILY equals to evil but it can very well be, shit play does not NECESSARILY scum tell but it could, but you are missing the whole point or you are deliberately playing dumb because lack of play is one of the most basic scum tells!!! I'm not talking going-on-vacation or taking-care-of-the-family-first lack of play!! I'm talking about his lack of real play, he's got 13 posts and he could have made thirteen great posts! But he chose to post 13 shit posts and fock off.That player is not playing the game! He is disinterestedly coasting it!! Just like an old tired scum rand with no motivation to play the game with "outsiders" (as Taylor put it) would. It seems to me that you are willing to cut him some slack because he is a legacy player here, as in legacy players are not supposed to get yeeted on D1 if they play, well, like scum.
I don't agree. But I'll drop it until you get me that hard data (you don't really have to I don't care that much).

I don't give a shit he's legacy btw. My start date's not all that later than his.
In post 554, Guillotina wrote:ORYou and him are teammates and you are covering up for your "LHF" scum mate.
ah fuck you caught me. (I'm actually mad jealous of scum this game, I bet they're having a blast)
In post 554, Guillotina wrote:By the way! Your posts have offered no substance so far! Let's change that. Where are your reads???
Uhhhh you and superb are hard to sort
I think chaos and tommie are town
I think tayl0 and gamma are scum
In post 602, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Tommy let's talk actual scumreads. I don't PL.
In post 610, JohnnyFarrar wrote:So like, that timing does suck Tommy but I have an alternative theory: the personality clash. He pushed you, you came and annoyed him and he wanted to leave. I think that's just as likely as your theory, which is why he's not the slam dunk you think he is.

@guillo point out the Ari town post?
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In post 975, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 962, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 958, catboi wrote:Not really easy to explain. My feeling is, may be loud, annoying, distracting, but that doesn't necessarily add up to scummy, even if his case is bad I don't think it's a rabbit hole scum goes down. I also agree with battle mage in that I don't expect scum to pursue a loud, high-impact approach to the game on day 1 in this setup.
I missed that battle mage said that. I mean what is your take on him then pushing that I am scum despite me being like almost an upgrade of guillo if he's town read him for that?
i feel the difference between you and Guillo is that he has more or less attacked everyone indiscriminately, whereas you have been very focussed on a couple of slots, and have eagerly taken opportunities to kiss up to others (others basically being Gamma).
I'm up to this and wondering why Tommie is even alive still
In post 1140, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 1129, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i just dont see how not knowing theres a vig would indicate someone is town. thats kinda a prerequisite for something being a townslip
Because scum are more likely to be worried about the vig? And say so in a scum pt. Or a Hydra chat. So even if noraa would miss it, would all her partners miss it? Naw.
In post 1141, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Yeh. VOTE: Tommie


hmm yeah. it feels like throughout the game he was staying away from being attacked by me and even town reading me at one point to state it boldly. and then when things cooled down, all his previous interactions and buddy-buddy ness aand town read is gone just because i said vig should prob kill here? mmmmmmmmm lol
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Post Post #1203 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:39 pm

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In post 551, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 503, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 500, Chaos Triforce wrote:
In post 385, DoubtingThomas wrote:plusjoyed is giving town reads on his friends like government is giving out food stamps to the poor, wtf?
Plus is generally extremely hard to read. I have never ever not SRed him in a game before. Like thats how scummy I perceive him as and its so scummy that I can never stop myself. My conclusion is plus is scummy af. Just hope there is a vig in the game that vigs him. If there isn't, then you have to concentrate and make things right your own way :/

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anyone know what is odd about this post
Is it that calling for the death of a player regardless of alignment kind of sucks?

Is it that Noraa prolly isn't the vig because the vig usually isn't like "gosh I hope a vig kills this person if they exist"

Is it that players that don't know the setup are generally town, doubly so in a three headed hydra because people on teams usually talk setup at some point?

Why are you being coy?
all this vig talk. you MUST be scum reading chaos and yourself? yes?
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Post Post #1204 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:41 pm

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like me talking about vig cannot just flip flop you one anyone's slot like that :0 wow so shocked idk if this is just occam's razoe and scum or just too flip floppy to be town? hoping its scum
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Post Post #1205 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:52 pm

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In post 1203, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 551, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 503, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 500, Chaos Triforce wrote:
In post 385, DoubtingThomas wrote:plusjoyed is giving town reads on his friends like government is giving out food stamps to the poor, wtf?
Plus is generally extremely hard to read. I have never ever not SRed him in a game before. Like thats how scummy I perceive him as and its so scummy that I can never stop myself. My conclusion is plus is scummy af. Just hope there is a vig in the game that vigs him. If there isn't, then you have to concentrate and make things right your own way :/

-nornor
anyone know what is odd about this post
Is it that calling for the death of a player regardless of alignment kind of sucks?

Is it that Noraa prolly isn't the vig because the vig usually isn't like "gosh I hope a vig kills this person if they exist"

Is it that players that don't know the setup are generally town, doubly so in a three headed hydra because people on teams usually talk setup at some point?

Why are you being coy?
all this vig talk. you MUST be scum reading chaos and yourself? yes?
...they said exactly the opposite in this?
What!?
In post 1204, DoubtingThomas wrote:like me talking about vig cannot just flip flop you one anyone's slot like that :0 wow so shocked idk if this is just occam's razoe and scum or just too flip floppy to be town? hoping its scum
In English sentences please.
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Post Post #1206 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:56 pm

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DT every post on this page from you seems bad, misguided, or incoherent, with the exception of 1200 which is a valid point. Are you in a Tunnel on Johnny and why?

I feel like you are underestimating them as a player, for one, and saying things about their posts that the quoted posts are not supporting.
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Post Post #1207 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:57 pm

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Also, holy shit man, condense your thoughts a little. No wonder you beat out the NorNor Trio in postcount! lol
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Post Post #1208 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:59 pm

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Nornor trio is nornor duo now
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Post Post #1209 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:05 pm

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In post 1208, Gamma Emerald wrote:Nornor trio is nornor duo now
Oh no! I didn't realize we'd lost a head.

Hope all is well for them, whatever their reasons were!
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Post Post #1210 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:06 pm

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In post 1206, Aristophanes wrote:DT every post on this page from you seems bad, misguided, or incoherent, with the exception of 1200 which is a valid point. Are you in a Tunnel on Johnny and why?

I feel like you are underestimating them as a player, for one, and saying things about their posts that the quoted posts are not supporting.
From my interactions with Johnny, their stance on the game was that of a very friendly one. When I had a showdown with superb and PlusJOYED, Johnny was the first one to sort of calm the situation down, and treating me as a slot worth listening to. It did not feel like a simple, "ok, so what are your thoughts?" It felt like "I understand your point. What do you think about this?" It's difficult to put into words, but the difference between the latter and former is that there's an implication of town reading the other slot, or at least being in a world where Johnny believes that the slot they are talking to is capable of pointing out important facts that could potentially guide town to the right course of things. This happened all throughout the game, and there's literally a post where he states that he thinks I am town.

After all that, though, I read his last batch of posts like 2-3 times. Maybe I should sit down and really try to savor on what he was trying to say, but his initial rather firm town read on me (a read that at least FELT like it came from more than just a few posts he saw me write) dissolved - like evaporated. It doesn't really have to about whether or not he's a good scum player or not. It felt like a very different person, and while he MAY have some own progression of thoughts in his mind, based on the posts I've ISO'ed him, I could not read and it looks like he has flip flopped greatly on his treatment of my slot. My understanding of him voting me from town reading me was that because 'scums are the only ones conscious of vigs. and that i was conscious of vigs'

All of these you can really see only if you read all of his posts and interactions with me, which I don't expect you to do. But if you can at least read his last batch of posts yourself and tell me what you think about his progression on me after posting that he town reads me, I guess it could help me see him better?
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Post Post #1211 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:09 pm

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You know what, I’m gonna call this out rn. I really don’t think Chaos hydra is scum atp. Get off of them.
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Post Post #1212 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:11 pm

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In post 1211, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what, I’m gonna call this out rn. I really don’t think Chaos hydra is scum atp. Get off of them.
interesting - even though you've defended me when others were town reading me and now I am lead wagon
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Post Post #1213 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:19 pm

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I also still think you’re town
But I wanted to express that I’m pretty confident Chaos is town.
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Post Post #1214 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:23 pm

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Thanks DT! 1210 is a good post and gives me some directikn to look at...tomorrow.
I appreciate that a lot!
In post 1212, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 1211, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what, I’m gonna call this out rn. I really don’t think Chaos hydra is scum atp. Get off of them.
interesting - even though you've defended me when others were town reading me and now I am lead wagon
I meam, townreading NorNor hydra doesn't mean scumreading you. Dismantling one wagon could mean composing another, better wagon. This time with blackjack and hookers! In fact, forget the wagon.

Ninja'd
Yeah, what Gamma said.
Ftr I think Gamma has obvtowned in a few spots too, from quite a few snippets of thread I've seen.
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Post Post #1215 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:28 pm

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In post 1199, Aristophanes wrote:Have I actually missed anything?
Lol yeah this mostly. It got tense and insulty for a minute.

SuperB wants to policy Tommie or guil or both because they're used to different ways of play (and to be fair they are a little too quick to argue ANYTHING). This is after starting a scumread on Gamma.

Gamma, it's weird, but I read the MS rulebook, and it said he is off limits today.

Tommie bites the head off the head of anyone looking at him sideways, which is everyone, so everyone's scum to him.

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In post 1214, Aristophanes wrote:Dismantling one wagon could mean composing another, better wagon. This time with blackjack and hookers! In fact, forget the wagon.
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Post Post #1217 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:36 pm

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In post 1215, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 1199, Aristophanes wrote:Have I actually missed anything?
Lol yeah this mostly. It got tense and insulty for a minute.

SuperB wants to policy Tommie or guil or both because they're used to different ways of play (and to be fair they are a little too quick to argue ANYTHING). This is after starting a scumread on Gamma.

Gamma, it's weird, but I read the MS rulebook, and it said he is off limits today.

Tommie bites the head off the head of anyone looking at him sideways, which is everyone, so everyone's scum to him.

Guil is a certified clever boy¿ with gambits
Ok Johnny is town, send it
Okay maybe not THAT confident but I like how he went about summing up the thread
Like it’s fair and balanced takes with no evident prejudice that seems like trying to bias the feel of anyone
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Post Post #1218 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:39 pm

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In post 1217, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1215, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 1199, Aristophanes wrote:Have I actually missed anything?
Lol yeah this mostly. It got tense and insulty for a minute.

SuperB wants to policy Tommie or guil or both because they're used to different ways of play (and to be fair they are a little too quick to argue ANYTHING). This is after starting a scumread on Gamma.

Gamma, it's weird, but I read the MS rulebook, and it said he is off limits today.

Tommie bites the head off the head of anyone looking at him sideways, which is everyone, so everyone's scum to him.

Guil is a certified clever boy¿ with gambits
Ok Johnny is town, send it
Okay maybe not THAT confident but I like how he went about summing up the thread
Like it’s fair and balanced takes with no evident prejudice that seems like trying to bias the feel of anyone
he's not taking any strong stance and still hasn't explained his thought progession from stating i am town to voting me. his explanation on me also is not indicative of scum, so i even get that less. especially because he's taken the role of 'calming people down' so i don't expect him to try to kill me for being unpleasant. and also his description of me trying to scum read everyone who scum reads me is wrong (e.g. guillotina) and also i town read you heavily too. dont think its great
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Post Post #1219 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:45 pm

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I skip every post you make bigger than like four lines.
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Post Post #1220 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:46 pm

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should I die, Gamma-Ari-Guillo form town core and go from there. maybe you can discuss to add chaos. i am overcommitted now that couple other games i in'ed started so dying is fine this is fine

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Post Post #1221 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:47 pm

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Ohhh cool.

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Bye.
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Post Post #1222 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:48 pm

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chk don’t make me doubt myself on you
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Post Post #1223 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:50 pm

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What is this if not AtE bud.

Nobody wants Chaos today, so I will continue that campaign on the morrow. Maybe I'll write a whole thing.
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Post Post #1224 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:56 pm

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it's not AtE lol all the people who are voting me literally don't scum read me. it's more of a whatever annoyance

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