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Post Post #1625 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:43 am

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It just seems like a really weird thing to lie about as opposed to just getting confused about the joining order?
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Post Post #1626 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:44 am

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Everyone ignored it before, but the whole "gaslighting" thing when Dunn was townreading Shelly seemed really off to me. I'd wanted to know if this was standard DGB behavior or not and got no response.
In post 630, Akarin wrote:
In post 610, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 560, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 549, shellyc wrote:i read the thread and feel reasonably confident to give my GTH reads on the playerlist:
...
Too many townreads
Dunnstral is scum; too many townreads is a town tell. He is gaslighting us into calling it a scum tell.

Shelly is town.
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Post Post #1627 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:47 am

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I want to hear from some people beside leuz and Akarin about it too
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #1628 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:47 am

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Isis, want me to unvote if it gets do E-1?
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Post Post #1629 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:51 am

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I think so
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Post Post #1630 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:58 am

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In post 1627, Isis wrote:I want to hear from some people beside leuz and Akarin about it too
Leuz is scum, take that into consideration.
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Post Post #1631 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:59 am

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In post 1619, deleuzional wrote:Besides which, my point actually holds regardless of your alignment:

If you’re town, you’re bad at reading

If you’re scum, you’re bad at not getting yeeted
I am town and good at reading.
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Post Post #1632 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:01 am

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DGB, what's the case on Deleuze?

And do you still stand by the gaslighting thing?
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Post Post #1633 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:01 am

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[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12332103#p12332103]post 1623[/url], Akarin"][quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12332060#p12332060]post 1620[/url], Isis"]I'd like for people to engage about 1580 pls

DGB doesn't have to given her unfortunate position[/quote]
I thought that was the whole reason anyone was actually scumreading Drew, other than Deleuze.[/quote]

There are no reasons to vote my pair.

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Post Post #1634 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:04 am

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I wasn't bah-bahing until the thing I asked about that everyone pointedly ignored. That really pinged me but I wondered if it might be a personality thing.

The lack of response further pings me.

The Drew signup lie thing isn't as open-and-shut to me as I think it is to some people, but it
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something that kind of bugs me. And Pooky being the one pointing it out doesn't help.
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Post Post #1635 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:05 am

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In post 1632, Akarin wrote:DGB, what's the case on Deleuze?

And do you still stand by the gaslighting thing?
I am not super motivated to spend time casing because:

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2. Drew has given me zero reasons to townread him, which is super disappointing so if I am yeeted along with him, shrug
3. I feel like I've been mindlessly called scum since my first post and therefore my reads aren't valued
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Post Post #1636 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:06 am

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In post 1634, Akarin wrote:I wasn't bah-bahing until the thing I asked about that everyone pointedly ignored. That really pinged me but I wondered if it might be a personality thing.

The lack of response further pings me.

The Drew signup lie thing isn't as open-and-shut to me as I think it is to some people, but it
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something that kind of bugs me. And Pooky being the one pointing it out doesn't help.
What Drew sign up lie?
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Post Post #1637 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:12 am

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This:
In post 1580, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 647, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 636, deleuzional wrote:
In post 633, Doctor Drew wrote:My last two games on site I have played with her.
did you hit it off to the extent that you would expect her to be this enthusiastic about dancing with you right from the get-go?
I chose the last lady spot because I felt one of DGB/Hectic/Pooky would ask me for a dance. There is more to it, but involves ongoing so I will stop there
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In post 647, Doctor Drew wrote:I chose the last lady spot because I felt one of DGB/Hectic/Pooky would ask me for a dance. There is more to it, but involves ongoing so I will stop there
didn't you sign up before me
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Post Post #1638 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:13 am

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You know, the thing Isis wanted more people to talk about.

And yeah, literal wall cases are dumb, I just meant what's your reasoning on Deleuze, DGB?

Also, it sucks feeling like you're not being listened to. I was getting some of that real-life yesterday. Talk to me!
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Post Post #1639 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:13 am

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DGB: “leuz is really obvscum”
Isis: “can you provide any evidence to back that up?”
DGB: “uhhhh, wait, I have to have
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Post Post #1640 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:15 am

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“Explaining the core of your scumread takes seconds, fabricating a good fake case takes an eternity.” — Gilles Deleuze
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Post Post #1641 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:16 am

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In post 1637, Akarin wrote:This:
In post 1580, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 647, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 636, deleuzional wrote:
In post 633, Doctor Drew wrote:My last two games on site I have played with her.
did you hit it off to the extent that you would expect her to be this enthusiastic about dancing with you right from the get-go?
I chose the last lady spot because I felt one of DGB/Hectic/Pooky would ask me for a dance. There is more to it, but involves ongoing so I will stop there
In post 650, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 647, Doctor Drew wrote:I chose the last lady spot because I felt one of DGB/Hectic/Pooky would ask me for a dance. There is more to it, but involves ongoing so I will stop there
didn't you sign up before me
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Why would that make Drew scum rather than misremembering?
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Post Post #1642 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:18 am

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In post 1640, deleuzional wrote:“Explaining the core of your scumread takes seconds, fabricating a good fake case takes an eternity.” — Gilles Deleuze
It's not like anyone has a case on me.

I like to be at my desktop to make cases. It's too annoying on mobile and half the time I lose my post.
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Post Post #1643 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:19 am

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I’m not asking for a case, i don’t really care much for cases and they’re generally more useful to scum than to town

I’m asking you to explain in a paragraph what the reason you think I’m scummy is. You don’t need to go through my ISO to drag up a load of points to do that, I assume
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Post Post #1644 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:20 am

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Do you have any reasons at all? Like in brief?

And do you stand by your earlier comment about Dunn gaslighting with the "too many town reads" thing?
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Post Post #1645 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:38 am

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In post 1639, deleuzional wrote:DGB: “leuz is really obvscum”
Isis: “can you provide any evidence to back that up?”
DGB: “uhhhh, wait, I have to have
REASONS
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I never asked DGB to back up her read (cause, like, DGB is a shoot from the hip player and it seems kind of silly and futile?)
town!you would be mixing up a confirmed player and an unconfirmed player while scum!you would be mixing up two confirmed players.
Or relying on the post of a town player when your scumpartner's same point was more salient in seek of legitimacy. So like either way it's bad.
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"Well, I..."
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Post Post #1646 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:46 am

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In post 1601, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1583, deleuzional wrote:I’m feeling very bummed out by the pooky flip tbh
In post 1584, deleuzional wrote:I know it isn’t
actually
a grievous personal failing to misread someone as town when they’re scum and yet it always kind of feels that way
No scum

You've got the sads because you have lost a charismatic, cunning and valuable scumpal.
That's the problem when you start a game and everyone calls you scum immediately and never lets up. No one paid attention to the above. I am terrible at strategy but the one thing I am good at, is reading people's emotions.

It's hard to explain what I felt when I read leuz's posts above, but I'll try (I am on desktop now).

Usually when a player flips scum, we just move on. Tayl0r was proud to have outmaneuvered Pooky, she expressed that, but even that kind of reaction is rare. The flip happens and usually the reaction, when there is one, is to be invigorated and rush to find associatives.

We have not one, but two posts of Deleuzional expressing sadness at Pooky's departure.

The first post has a "tbh" "to be honest" which often stands as an awkward cover up of deception, a wee bit like when people start a sentence "I am not racist but here's a racist statement" - we have "to be honest, here comes a lie." That's a small point.

More importantly, I can sense that there is genuine feeling behind the post in the emphatic "very bummed out" and I'm thinking, what townie would be "very bummed out?" I'd feel like an idiot defending scum, but bummed out smells more like a scum perspective. That's how a scum would feel losing their team mate Pooky, not like town would feel misreading an adversary. Misreading an adversary happens all the time in this game, we don't get hung up over it.

Consciously or unconsciously, he must have had some nervous regret that this post gave away his true feelings so he felt the need to swing back in the opposite direction of being "bummed out losing a team mate" all the way to a "grievous personal failing" for misreading Pooky, as if saying that would somehow whitewash his first, overly revealing post.

Not "good job Tayl0r," not "great let's dig out more info," not "damnation, Pooky always fools me LOL"

No.

VERY BUMMED OUT
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Post Post #1647 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:48 am

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In post 1645, Isis wrote:I never asked DGB to back up her read (cause, like, DGB is a shoot from the hip player and it seems kind of silly and futile?)
All my reads can be backed up. When people ask, I always have detailed answers.
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Post Post #1648 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:56 am

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In post 1645, Isis wrote:I never asked DGB to back up her read (cause, like, DGB is a shoot from the hip player and it seems kind of silly and futile?)
Yeah, I thought you were akarin
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Post Post #1649 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:59 am

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1646 is stronk
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