Epilogue! - [Endgame]

[MariaR]

I don't mind theory crafts and all that. But to come to such an answer you need to have some kind of scumread beforehand on both slots (something you didn't express but could happen) and really go through a few basic things in your head that you clearly didn't do. This whole meta thing that you have no base on because you haven't played vs scum me. Along with the fact...you openly paired with FB thinking he was a wolf which is the biggest red flag in you thinking this is legit.

[OkaPoka]

i want to fully clarify

i scumread mariaR independently

everything else about bulge/fire/and even leuz are a result of me scumreading mariaR. all these theories of optimal scum pairing, narratives etc. are not a cause of my scumread on maria but in fact a result of it. if im wrong on maria i burn all the reads and reset.

[Firebringer]

I don't mind theory crafts and all that. But to come to such an answer you need to have some kind of scumread beforehand on both slots (something you didn't express but could happen) and really go through a few basic things in your head that you clearly didn't do. This whole meta thing that you have no base on because you haven't played vs scum me. Along with the fact...you openly paired with FB thinking he was a wolf which is the biggest red flag in you thinking this is legit.

as far as im aware he didnt have a scumread before our interactions predance and found them sus

[Firebringer]

i want to fully clarify

i scumread mariaR independently

everything else about bulge/fire/and even leuz are a result of me scumreading mariaR. all these theories of optimal scum pairing, narratives etc. are not a cause of my scumread on maria but in fact a result of it. if im wrong on maria i burn all the reads and reset.

i guess im wrong?

[MariaR]

im not applying a direct meta to you? im applying a generalization where people who have run dance are going to want to S/S im not saying as an expert on mariaR's meta ... like where am i using meta as my case against you? my read on you is based on your posts all pinging me, but whenever i have a top scumread i like to flesh out a narrative that might make sense of who the rest of their teammates are. i could just delete all my ideas about you and id still want to eliminate you, all it would change is i would no longer care about bulge or firebringer.

Then you should be talking about way my posts are pinging me instead of this theory that you just came together with. That's going to make people sway there votes not something that has next to 0 merit. Also in your own reads you said 'meta' not me so I don't know why you're getting confused at me bringing it up.

[MariaR]

That was probably Okas best post but really this comes down to do I respect Oka enough as a player to wolfread him or just think he's that bad to have such a weird and awful way of reading people.

[OkaPoka]

I don't mind theory crafts and all that. But to come to such an answer you need to have some kind of scumread beforehand on both slots (something you didn't express but could happen) and really go through a few basic things in your head that you clearly didn't do. This whole meta thing that you have no base on because you haven't played vs scum me. Along with the fact...you openly paired with FB thinking he was a wolf which is the biggest red flag in you thinking this is legit.

again i don't know about your scum meta im applying a generalization of people who have played dance games want x.

my confidence in FB being scum is entirely contingent on you and bulge flipping scum. like im still sub 50% on anyone being scum. if you take the e.v. of firebringer being scum as it stands, its entirely trivial where im still going to pair with him since im not going to bank this entire game on one theory

you can read my posts with the words 'meta' and i qualified it with 'maybe' indicating that meta maybe wasn't the best word to describe it as

[MariaR]

Whatever, I don't plan on touching Fire Oka first dance anyway, not my problem.

[OkaPoka]

like here what is 40% * 40% * 40% ? that's an entirely trivial possibility to worry about when pairing

[Firebringer]

Whatever, I don't plan on touching Fire Oka first dance anyway, not my problem.

i feel rejected. So this is how that feels.

[deleuzional]

Whats the advantage of having one s-s couple?

[deleuzional]

And also is there any major disadvantage to doing two s-s couples?

[MariaR]

I don't get why this theory only applies to me when over half this PL has also done a dance game before but this is the last I'll comment on it since the base of this theory at the end of the day was a literal joke
pedit: Sorry Firepup I have more important people to fade

[deleuzional]

Who do you want yeeted the heck out of here, MariaR?

[MariaR]

Whats the advantage of having one s-s couple?

And also is there any major disadvantage to doing two s-s couples?

SvS really should only be between players who are confident enough to have an influence on the thread and even then depending on the playerlist it is very risky. (Hence why doing it in this one is kinda trolling)
2 is outright game throwing. With SvT pairs you have a lot more intel on the game and chances to pocket your partner. I can go into more detail if you need it but that's a very brief reason.

[MariaR]

Who do you want yeeted the heck out of here, MariaR?

Dunn if DBG/DD are town
as for if DBG/DD are scum? I'll keep quiet on that one unless my partner feels the need to out my read

[OkaPoka]

Whats the advantage of having one s-s couple?

in practice its easier to get an endgame with an s/s vs t/t and winning than getting an endgame with two s/t because otherwise a single t/t pair is all it takes to make a win impossible for scum, and well usually town are good enough to find a solid t/t pair to send to finals at this point

[Isis]

There's no way I would ever make a SvS pairing in a playerlist like this but ok.

Do you mean you wouldn't guide anyone on your team to pair S-S? What about this playerlist is unique that would make you feel S-S pairs are bad?
I'm curious which players you think are remarkable

[MariaR]

There's no way I would ever make a SvS pairing in a playerlist like this but ok.

Do you mean you wouldn't guide anyone on your team to pair S-S? What about this playerlist is unique that would make you feel S-S pairs are bad?
I'm curious which players you think are remarkable

I kid you not if I was a wolf my first post in the wolf PT would be to not make any SvS pairings. To have a good proper SvS pairing you need a playerlist of people who are willing to work together and respect reads. This playerlist has a ton of bullheaded stubborn people that even if a SvS pairing existed and backed each other to the end it wouldn't stop some people from being stubborn and voting them. That's the biggest weakness to a SvS pairing. It highly depends on the playerlist and how good you are at influence to work out. It's not as simple as 'oh you vouch for me and I vouch for you'

[MariaR]

Oka is underestimating scum me and quite frankly it's offensive

[Firebringer]

pedit: Sorry Firepup I have more important people to fade

Baka!

[OkaPoka]

Whats the advantage of having one s-s couple?

in practice its easier to get an endgame with an s/s vs t/t and winning than getting an endgame with two s/t because otherwise a single t/t pair is all it takes to make a win impossible for scum, and well usually town are good enough to find a solid t/t pair to send to finals at this point

also in theory this game boils down to find 2 t/t pairings and town autowins unless scum is able to find an s/s pairing to send to the top

really if we played this perfectly, town just needs to find 3 townies to essentially autowin with a few caveats (requiring scum to get a strong s/s pair)

[deleuzional]

Is this not one of the best live performances of any song ever

[deleuzional]

I’d do an S-S pairing as scum and would possibly push for 2 depending on what the rand was

[Isis]

Do you think I'm bullheaded stubborn? I kind of wanted you to be specific so I could try to gauge the authenticity of this line of thought but I can respect not wanting to trash people. I can take it, myself, tho