Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

What would you like to discuss?
I do also have 3 more people to address, though I also have tomorrow I’m willing to allocate for that.

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s the setup design motif if he’s scum? That’s the key thing in my mind that points to Bulge being town that doesn’t involve you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I could come up with more, but aorn that’s the best I’ve got.
Why is bulge scum to you? I want you to cover the entire game and explain why what Bulge has done throughout has been scummy, since you seem to not regard anything he’s done as towny. I know you’ve had the read since D1 so this shouldn’t be a challenge.

[Gamma Emerald]

You skipped part of the question but in doing that you also digressed into your own original thought process which I like.

So my thinking about the scum is the Shea very much resembles rb in that game: a very vocal scum who got off to a strong start and then got tepid in the mid-stages. I was originally thinking Pooky resembled Flubber as the openwolf operative, and either nm/tw or Blitzo was the quiet TFL-like scum. Now that I’m set on Blitzo being scum, though, I realize Pooky and Blitzo are a really weird partner choice. Maybe NM is the open wolf in the scenario I’m working with rn? As for the town players, Noraa is 100% a parallel to Tywin in that game, beyond that the image gets hazy. That’s where your idea might clear things up. I remember Panzer making those 2 player pools, I also recall I sussed him for them after a good number of those players flipped town, as such it might be that that’s where the “two opposed townblocks” have manifested in this game?

[Gamma Emerald]

you must be on crack if you think im scum with blitzo

I just blew up at Shea about taking me to say something I’m literally saying the opposite of. Are you daft?

[Gamma Emerald]

I could probably find more to ask, but one question that pops into my mind is why wouldn’t Bulge potentially find it more effective to sort someone who is in a relaxed state, which would motivate him to make it clear he was not applying pressure?

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma, you believe in ro3 yea?

Yeah. It’s not a great tool but it’s one I try to find use for. Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also looking at what you quoted, Shea, it does seem like Bulge actually did make a decent effort to prevent Noraa’s yeet? I need to actually comb that myself maybe.

[Gamma Emerald]

@ Shea re: the tepid stuff, I said you didn’t make any effort to see that D3 Bulge push through imo. And while I don’t trust Blitzo anymore I think his meta on you is real, based on how he refused to act on it for an inordinate amount of time. That meta says you don’t push as strong as scum as you do when you are town. Despite being an active voice in the game, I don’t recall you playing a big part in much of the early decisions on who to yeet outside of Noraa, and that one I had probably an equal share in making happen at least. When I say you are tepid, it means that you were “hot” earlier on, when first impressions were being made, but have since cooled off and mostly let town make its own mistakes. As I just said while talking to Kasumeat, rb in this game (since I’m now actually discussing it with people who don’t have the direct concept of what I’m talking about I linked it) is a good example of that sort of playstyle coming from scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Bulge’s role does have synergy with the neap as well (since neap can’t get a clear on anything that can use an ability, bulge can target that player to protect them without stopping a town power role from acting)

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma, you believe in ro3 yea?

Yeah. It’s not a great tool but it’s one I try to find use for. Why?

what do you think of a world where 2 scummos are hurling shitbricks at their most established miselim target, while the other 1 scummo believes that target's claim and matches[/surpasses] his aggression with a bus on the other 2?

Are you suggesting a team of Shea/me/??? (Pooky? Blitzo?)
The sense of that suggestion really rides on who your suggested third is in that worldview. Because I’ve already been adamant that thinking me and Blitzo are scum partners is just not proper.

[Gamma Emerald]

Looking closer at 3331 I feel like it’s a bit overly broad. There seems to be a metaphorical canyon where the context for what Shea is saying just drops off until the Noraa claim is brought up.

[Gamma Emerald]

Then noraa gets more votes and he parks his vote on blitzo and disappears for the rest of the day:

This line in particular just strikes me as brushing away a good amount of the D2 happenings, which is probably fair if this was done via ISO, but I feel like it is something that needed to be called out. You jump from bulge justifying his Noraa vote all the way past the role softs, my neighborhood claim, and the buildup and fallout of Noraa’s claim it seems. That’s a lot of context to pass over.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you not WORKING to get Bulge yeeted D3 is just a concrete example of a game-spanning trend of you not doing much to try to progress the game despite being the highest poster overall. I was the only one D3 even starting to try to get a wagon going.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t know for sure but my base inclination is Bulge’s reaction does make sense

[Gamma Emerald]

Welcome to the club. I’ll provide that when I actually provide my final answer.

[Gamma Emerald]

What the fuck even was this game

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I’m actively avoiding games with NM now : )

[Gamma Emerald]

Horrifying play from whichever of you is town.

Bulge played like garbage and you let him win. Unbefuckinglievable.

Bulge was town

[Gamma Emerald]

Also now I realize why schadd and panzer fucking hate traitor

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I think the reviewers massively underrated the potential to fuck up the game the scumteam had.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's worse than a goon

It pretty much made the game harder on literally every slot alive in the endgame. The scum couldn’t effectively organize a quickhammer, and town was left chasing a doomed outcome.

[Gamma Emerald]

BTW if anybody has any comments on how I can improve, please let me know!

Eh you did a good job replicating your town game here which was both good for you on a basic level but also bad for you because it puts a damper on your ability to seem like reputable town. I essentially wrote you off as “same old Kasumeat” at the end there. So probably try to learn from experience a bit more in the future.

[Gamma Emerald]

I just think on a base level traitor makes things harder for the entire game
This game just had the added wrinkle where it in practice became a near GF

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I’m not outright blacklisting Blitzo but I don’t EVER want to roll neighbors with him again. WORST. HOOD PARTNER. EVER!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

You literally had no drive to post there at the start.

[Gamma Emerald]

No
I’m guessing Infinity was spectating this game

[Gamma Emerald]

Well Blitzo thought I was confscum at the end so infinity ain’t him

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like hoods should have some sort of opt-out clause where if all participants agree they can dissolve the hood in exchange for some alternate boon

[Gamma Emerald]

As much as I don’t like you as a player that’s a very valid take
I deserve punishment for trying to feed that foolish ambition

[Gamma Emerald]

also I think I should be able to 100% peg tw's alignment any time he replaces in since there was such a disparity between this and betrayal mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

Not a huge fan of Oligarchy but at least it isn’t REPUBLIC.

[Gamma Emerald]

Traitor is a bad role, ya.

Yeah I agree with you now on that
But it DOESN’T retroactively justify the way you played this game