Epilogue! - [Endgame]

[The Bulge]

re:maria

my first full game back this year was Free Love (true love open setup where you sign up in tandem with your desired lover). Maria and I were both town, and she saw how I used my PT to nab my lover and his partner largely based on interactions. now im not claiming to be some kind of pt-solving god, but I told myself at gamestart to watch for maria avoiding proposing to me. unless she is extremely confident she can specifically use the pt to pocket me, I don't see how that would be worth the wifom play. I saw a real "lets work together" motivation from maria when she proposed which is just what I was originally hoping for/expecting from her if town.

[The Bulge]

beeboy modded that game but I straight up forgot he's in this one lmao

[shellyc]

ok im all caught up

bell!scum is based off early play which I don't see a problem with (please quote specific posts) + EoD, but bell/taylor/pooky all 3 scum seems *very implausible* imo. i don't think that scumteam lacks organisation/planning.

taylor is most likely town by virtue of picking pooky + interactions with pooky.

[shellyc]

the opinion of bell!scum which I disagree with is based off early play which I don't see a problem with (please quote specific posts) + EoD, but bell/taylor/pooky all 3 scum seems *very implausible* imo. i don't think that scumteam lacks organisation/planning.

EBWOP

[shellyc]

dunn townlean i feel much less confident aboutand he's basically null now:
-made it his top priority to push ydrasse to post for some reason? because the conspiracy theory was luez covering for her and ydrasse lurking? tbh this is convoluted and doesn't make a whole lot of sense
-agreed with maria flip "pretty scummy maria removed a t-t pair" but has now showed derailing/reluctance to flip there.

[Dunnstral]

dunn townlean i feel much less confident aboutand he's basically null now:
-made it his top priority to push ydrasse to post for some reason? because the conspiracy theory was luez covering for her and ydrasse lurking? tbh this is convoluted and doesn't make a whole lot of sense
-agreed with maria flip "pretty scummy maria removed a t-t pair" but has now showed derailing/reluctance to flip there.

I'm not sure that either of these are true. It was never my goal to get Ydrasse to post, I commented on it happening as a hindsight sort of thing.

[Akarin]

So looking at how people who were off wagon acted around it:

Oka

is by far the

least

suspicious. He calls the wagon lame, votes Maria. Argues a bunch that we should flip other people first. He

does

call them inevitable, but also calls the wagon semi-policy and actually argues with both Shelly and FB that they should be voting Oka-FB instead of DGB-DD. He doesn't like DGB's reentrance or Dunn push and thought it was weird people were townleaning her for it. Oka scumread it. But then doesn't like the "caught for the wrong reasons" suggestion from Ydrasse and isn't sure what makes sense in DGB-scum world. He sheeps Isis onto Shelly, implies it's a pressure vote, then gives Drew a deadline but suggests hammering anyway. Firebringer beats him to it.

[Akarin]

Deleuze

doesn’t look too bad. He fought with DGB about her scumread of him, first being unjustified and then the case itself. I thought DGB was being ridiculous here too, it doesn't feel like shading. He defended Drew about the signup thing, actually saying it made him

more

towny. For a bit he wasn't sure if DGB was scum and kind of soft defended her. Thought Drew's be back later post was scummy. He wanted to flip either DGB-DD or Oka-FB but hadn't voted yet, and at this point thought DGB and Oka were both townish, just not their partners. The DGB town read strengthens and Deleuze doesn't like the wagon or the way it seems pre-determined. But thinks Drew is scummy. His first vote of the day is to sheep Isis & Oka onto Shelly-Hectic, then he votes Drew 1 minute after Firebringer hammered.

[Akarin]

Both

Bell

and

Bulge

did post a decent amount while the wagon was a thing, neither mentioned it at all.

[shellyc]

I'm not sure that either of these are true. It was never my goal to get Ydrasse to post, I commented on it happening as a hindsight sort of thing.

eh ok.

are you willing to flip maria today?

[Akarin]

Taylor

actually has the worst interactions with the DGB/DD wagon if we're looking off-wagon: She voted DGB-DD at the start of the day, right after Dunn. Shelly follows her onto the wagon, a wild FB appears and votes Maria, then Taylor moves her vote to FB. (Oka was also on Maria-Bulge.)

Taylor says this

dgb why are you so confident drew is town? because as i see it youre defending yourself/being aggressive, but most people suspect drew and youre pseudo-defending him without really mentioning him

then DGB says she isn't confident Drew is town but wants time to read him. At which point Taylor follows DGB onto Deleuze. She pushes Deleuze a bit more that afternoon, says it's not a meme and she does scumread him. Doesn't want to talk about the reasons but encourages other people to join her on Deleuze. Suggests it's a DGB,Maria,Delueze team after DGB votes Dunn.

[Isis]

what's the case on bell/t-swizz at all btw

I just cant imagine bell/taylor/pooky being all scum at EoD

This is a false dilemma which seems cognitive load scummy

[Akarin]

I found Dunn hilarious in that whole section of game, like 3 or 4 posts made me laugh, ya'll just don't appreciate him enough.

[shellyc]

how is it a false dilemma?

I don't think a bell/pooky/taylor team are unorganised and I don't think pooky practically begs taylor/ignores bell to partner with him if they were s/s

[Isis]

The false dilemma is
Bellswizzle is S-S || Voting Bellswizzle is a good idea
Can be both

[Akarin]

Also, Shelly, just want to point out again,

2) It was Final 4 with Isis, me, Taylor, and Shelly on page 21, 4 and a half hours after the game opened.

[Akarin]

So yeah, I think I'm gonna
VOTE: Bellswizzle

Seems pretty fetch

[shellyc]

The false dilemma is
Bellswizzle is S-S || Voting Bellswizzle is a good idea
Can be both

i still dont get what you mean?

[OkaPoka]

wow im really liking what im seeing

[shellyc]

So yeah, I think I'm gonna
VOTE: Bellswizzle

Seems pretty fetch

what do you think seems pretty good for bellswizzle!scum?

[shellyc]

imo

that slot should endgame but im in the minority here

[OkaPoka]

i think leuz/maria/ (dunn implied?) wants that slot to endgame

[Isis]

if bellswizzle townspews they could be wincon material

[shellyc]

i still dont get what you mean?

@isis

[Akarin]

imo

that slot should endgame but im in the minority here

Well my original thought was Maria-Buldge, but Dunn doesn't actually want to do that right now and I'm willing to sheep him on that all day long. Taylor's suggestion about the off-wagon stuff had me looking at that (see all the posts I just made, sort of a de-constructed wall). Her focus on Oka and Delueze seemed weird to me because neither had struck me that way as the last couple real life days played out.

When I looked into it,

Taylor

actually seems much scummier to me from that whole angle, and the fact that she suggested it bothers me more.

My main hesitation was the same as yours, I don't think Taylor can be scum unless it was Taylor-Pooky-Bell, but I really think you're overselling how disorganized they'd have to be to end up in that position.