Newbie 2038: Elements [Game Over]

[MURDERCAT]

That's a lot of townposting.

72, I hope I'm not up for the day yet. I don't have a full reads list. However, my thoughts are consolidated enough that I feel sure I won't be voting you or Mizzy today. Probably not JDye either.

I need a couple more hours sleep and then I'll get back to this.

THe concerning thing is your mindest sseems like it is on who NOT to kick rather than a town mindest of trying to come up with a strong preference for a kick given the fast approaching deadline.

Like here is a post criticizing your play. But remember when 72 said he would vote anyone but mizzy? Weird right?

[MURDERCAT]

Ill wagon everyone but mizzy.

This was just 40 posts earlier

[fferyllt]

I am curious, do you think the scum read on you is warranted?

No I don't. I feel tunneled. And I feel like my playstyle, particularly the way I tend to hold onto my vote, doesn't sit well with him.

[MURDERCAT]

But what if he is just scum? I think your slot is pretty obvious town

[fferyllt]

Ill wagon everyone but mizzy.

This was just 40 posts earlier

Our stances aren't comparable though?

[MURDERCAT]

Yeah 72's is worse. So where does he get off criticizing you for it? Feels fake to me, no?

[fferyllt]

Ok. I'll sleep on it and think on it. Not necessarily in that order!

[MURDERCAT]

[72offsuit]

if you are town, vote to kick C4/FF

Ill wagon everyone but mizzy.

1. Sadly, my actual posting doesnt fit your narrative.

I wanted to kick c4, which i made explicitly clear in 625.

Given town was literally all over the shop, i was stating i was willingbto compromise if not enough agreed to wagon c4.

Conveniently ignoring my post 625.

[72offsuit]

That's a lot of townposting.

72, I hope I'm not up for the day yet. I don't have a full reads list. However, my thoughts are consolidated enough that I feel sure I won't be voting you or Mizzy today. Probably not JDye either.

I need a couple more hours sleep and then I'll get back to this.

THe concerning thing is your mindest sseems like it is on who NOT to kick rather than a town mindest of trying to come up with a strong preference for a kick given the fast approaching deadline.

Like here is a post criticizing your play. But remember when 72 said he would vote anyone but mizzy? Weird right?

2. You arent comparing apples to apples, but rather apples to motorbikes.

I stated who was my preferred KICK and that i was willing to compromise if needed, with DEADLINE approaching.

FF was stating who she would NOT like to kick, with fast deadline approaching, effectively buddying those players and which lines up with scum agenda of trying to reduce the targets on her back.

RATHER than working to consolidate a kick.

[MURDERCAT]

Given town was literally all over the shop, i was stating i was willingbto compromise if not enough agreed to wagon c4.

Right so why is it an issue for ff do the same thing?

[MURDERCAT]

Like I don't even think ff was all the way caught up but she was clearly trying to create content before the deadline hit

[Egix96]

How about you vote 72?

I've not read your case there yet. I was more looking for help with organising thoughts. I hate the fact I'm useless while being a UTR until you came along and I want to fix that uselessness.

There is no case to read.

MC badically Says read up to page 9, asked who pushed pig when it was obvious who pushed pig.

Zero comments on readslist or cases made on who is scum.

The impression ive gotten off MC is that thye like playing as town. Im getting the vibe that MC joined this game and was rip full of energy to solve it, then was disappointed to see a red role pm.
Thus the zero analysis.

Could've seen this one coming from a mile away.

nvm, i can see now, pig isntead of off

Really this just seems like a blatant misrep that you needed to walk back on because it was too easy to spot. I doubt anyone's reading comprehension is that bad.

[Egix96]

That's a lot of townposting.

72, I hope I'm not up for the day yet. I don't have a full reads list. However, my thoughts are consolidated enough that I feel sure I won't be voting you or Mizzy today. Probably not JDye either.

I need a couple more hours sleep and then I'll get back to this.

THe concerning thing is your mindest sseems like it is on who NOT to kick rather than a town mindest of trying to come up with a strong preference for a kick given the fast approaching deadline.

Like here is a post criticizing your play. But remember when 72 said he would vote anyone but mizzy? Weird right?

2. You arent comparing apples to apples, but rather apples to motorbikes.

I stated who was my preferred KICK and that i was willing to compromise if needed, with DEADLINE approaching.

FF was stating who she would NOT like to kick, with fast deadline approaching, effectively buddying those players and which lines up with scum agenda of trying to reduce the targets on her back.

RATHER than working to consolidate a kick.

You don't believe in solving by process of elimination? I think it's perfectly valid to take that approach instead if no one seems overtly scummy.

[Egix96]

Throw enough mud and something will stick, hey?

Boy 72off, kind of ironic coming from you.

I was thinking that too!

[Egix96]

I'm not easy to miselim.

Your best bet is convincing me that I'm an elo liability. Sadly, that works on me.

Have you and murdercat played together much?

Huh? Why would it? Surely you can't just let people convince you into thinking "Oh well, I shouldn't be in elo, better offer myself as tribute "

[72offsuit]

Given town was literally all over the shop, i was stating i was willingbto compromise if not enough agreed to wagon c4.

Right so why is it an issue for ff do the same thing?

She didnt do the same thing

[72offsuit]

That's a lot of townposting.

72, I hope I'm not up for the day yet. I don't have a full reads list. However, my thoughts are consolidated enough that I feel sure I won't be voting you or Mizzy today. Probably not JDye either.

I need a couple more hours sleep and then I'll get back to this.

THe concerning thing is your mindest sseems like it is on who NOT to kick rather than a town mindest of trying to come up with a strong preference for a kick given the fast approaching deadline.

Like here is a post criticizing your play. But remember when 72 said he would vote anyone but mizzy? Weird right?

2. You arent comparing apples to apples, but rather apples to motorbikes.

I stated who was my preferred KICK and that i was willing to compromise if needed, with DEADLINE approaching.

FF was stating who she would NOT like to kick, with fast deadline approaching, effectively buddying those players and which lines up with scum agenda of trying to reduce the targets on her back.

RATHER than working to consolidate a kick.

You don't believe in solving by process of elimination? I think it's perfectly valid to take that approach instead if no one seems overtly scummy.

PoE solving is fine. I've used it in several games myself if my confidence in my townreads is stronger than my scumreads.

The issue I have is with

1. the context of deadline approaching
2. and lack of sorting through the remaining players outside of the townreads, to actually arrive to a decision as to a preferred kick, to allow town to consolidate.

[72offsuit]

Spoiler:

Spoiler: 72 page 1 iso

Ignoring the obvious distancing from Mizzy early, I will make that case after we flip 72.

muh316 -- hmmm

hmmm

Got anything to add to the game?

What's your read on hunter?

ISOs:

Bipolar -- Nothing particularly telling yet IMO
AGamblingPig -- His only real read so far is his Bipolar read and it's basically a toneread so I don't feel like I can say much here yet.
Mizzy -- Tunneling someone in a vacuum is generally NAI and avoiding tunneling someone is good but Mizzy's treatment of cyl is horribly inconsistent with Mizzy's treatment of me.
hunterr -- Initial vote on me reads as obligatory contribution based on the only thing he can find to talk about. Eventually he gives an actual reason with original thought though so that's nice.
c4 -- Can't read this guy at all
cyl -- Looks like he's genuinely trying to figure out the game.
72 -- Beyond the spam he's doing a good job of being a newbie-stimulating SE.
muh316 -- hmmm
Egix -- See 72 but less so because of the relative shortage of posts.

@Bipolar, what do you think of this reads list?

These are the sort of general do nothing look busy posts that are super easy for scum to make. I know 72 is a good town player, so if he is town they should lead to something.

Id like u to tell me ur read on hunter before i taint it with any thing I say.

You dodging my question and responding to my question with a question doesnt give me good vibes about your slot.

But instead it just leads to a nothing reason to throw shade. This push has nothing to do with the question that was asked. Why would muh dodge this question? Why does it make him scum? There's no logic to it, it's shade for shade's sake.

Why are you so preoccupied about interaction?

All i did was ask you for a read on hunter.

If you are town, from your point of view, I have a 75% chance of being town.

So my suggestion is that you cooperate and work with me, and work on the assumption that I am working in good faith as a starting point.

Which leads to this, which super pings me. I don't think this is a townie point of view. It's leaking that 72 knows muh is town even though he is in the process of throwing shade. A full on scum slip, if you ask me.

"I took a peek at some of 72's games and he seems to post a lot."
This feels like super shallow, low effort commentary on meta, disguised as trying to be helpful.

" The 72 - Mizzy exchange just makes me scumread 72 more and more..."

@ safebet:

1. What specifically did you find that made you "scumread 72 more and more" on page 5?

2. On a scale of 1-100, how strongly do you think I scumread Mizzy?

72 reacts to the long post from safebet by only focusing on the parts about him. No interest in scum hunting.

2. The vote on muh feels like scum opportunistically voting for low hanging fruit. I'd say muh is just the punching bag low-hanging fruit town jester.
The transition of Pig from gut-scum-reading me to dismissing that and then voting for muh fits !scumPig agenda.

This is a super weird stance to take from someone who is also pressuring muh. Is muh scum who needs to be pressured or low hanging fruit?

VOTE: 72offsuit

Not been a fan of quite of few of their posts. Think their push for the mizzy wagon is founded on very little. For someone who found me not voting to be "concerning", I think it's a little hypocritical to have not moved their vote since post #64 and haven't given any sort of reasoning for other people to put their vote there. If they think mizzy is scum, shouldn't they try to push us to vote them?

@

72

, could you post a read list? You haven't really given your thoughts on anyone in the game other than mizzy.

Sure.

Town +++++++++++++ 72os

Not worth mentioning: cyl,egix, c4

Scumlean: Hunter/safebet, Bipolar/Dye, Mizzy, muh

Scum: GamblingPig

No town reads? Don't buy it. I will post town cases later but there are clear townies at this point in the game IMO.

Deadline 27 hours. Given ppl r on dif time zones and leaving time for claims.
Lunchtime post, i will post updated thoughts in about 5-9 hrs from now

Generally saying stuff like this, but doing nothing to actually direct people and not compromising on a slot he is null on, is scummy.

Weird that both 72 and Mizzy started leaning towards town!cyl and started FOSing AGamblingPig within a very short amount of time. 72 being opportunistic when it looks like town is going to move in a certain direction?

You comment on my interacting with Mizzy and my vote on GamblingPig, and FoS me,
yet you make ZERO references to my actual case against GamblingPig.

Which basically reveals your mindset is not to solve slots, but rather to secure a miskick.

JD is scum.

Still way too many scum reads

Jailed players are slightly more likely to be scum who attempted a kill, rather than town who were targeted.

72 not asking for a claim if JK was on a scum read is super scummy. That is 100% the right play, it's basically the best thing to get out of your JK.

VOTE: C4

Can see !TownJdye thinking its me and cyl.

Cant see scumbox C4's case against Egix.

More anyone but me.

Still waiting

This whole exchange with my slot is scummy, way too aggressive for someone he was apparently open to being town a minute ago.

Please quote which EXACT POSTS you are referring to in the line

"That point was brought up by numerous other people much earlier in the game."

I want EXACT quotes.

Scum tactic, moving the goal posts, evidence is never strong enough

I ask you again, why are you looking at the ISO dive now.
If you really scumread me as you say you did, why did you not take the opportunity to look for flaws in logic in my ISOs sooner?

Arguing how the case was created rather than the case itself.

Im Australia timezone, so dont expect a claim from me if u wagon me

If 72 claims VT later, remember this post. Makes no sense to worry about this as VT.

Ill wagon everyone but mizzy.

This is crazy. Town never says this.

1. Nice role fish

2. Town does say it because I'm town.

[MURDERCAT]

That all you have in response 72?
Can we get some votes here?

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: 72 iso page 2

Scum is amongst duo of egix spang jdye
Or
Duo of my 1 on my woagon plus muh or ff

This weird considering the hard push on ff right now. Where did this logic go?

That post sucks badly.

No elim is fine given it takes us to 5v2 after a night kill. Rather than awkward 6v2 we have now.

It aldo sounds like jdye lining up miskicks if spang is town

Pushing for a no elim when you are the target is sketchy af. As town you would want to be elimed out of fear you just get limmed later. You can literally read the wiki page on mylo, the benefits of no eliming on even are kind of silly. Also we are giving up the chance to save a full round with another JK or doc hero play. 72 is smart enough to understand this and Mizzy is too.

I was curious to see if safebet or 72 would try to establish a narrative about that kill when pushed, been as they initially said they couldn't see why

Given you ask, I'd go with:
1) town were correctly reading him as town and were unlikely to kick him
2) he was fairly lurky, not particularly aggro, was quite defensive against people who pushed him which may have made scum incorrectly read him as a PR

But like I said night kill spec is mostly garbage.

Such a scum take, NKA is useful but people do it wrong a lot.

Vote Count 1.2

Lithium, ₃Li

— alkali metal, standard atomic weight 6.941, group 1, period 2, s-block

c4e5g3d5

(4): muh316, hunterr, cylstar, BipolarType2

72offsuit

(2): Egix96, c4e5g3d5

hunterr

(2): AGamblingPig, Mizzytastic

Mizzytastic

(1): 72offsuit

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-11-06 06:30:00)

I think that the speed at which the initial c4e5 wagon formed is a point in favour of that slot being town.
Cyl's vote seemed like it wasn't a coincidence (she just figured out how to vote but that's who she chooses?) but BT2slot also looks bad from this because their vote was passed off as RVS.

Garbage. The first wagon almost never gets kicked

Who reacts like this to someone you think is probably town? Like complete refusal to engage with their ideas. Instead, scum 72 wants to argue against any reason to TR the obv town slot.

What do you make of Mizzy then eventually voting for Gambling Pig then?

trying... to.. avoid... talking... about.. obvious.. scum pair

This is the problem with ff.
1. FF "townreads me" but the way she is intereacting with my slot it doesnt feel that way.
2. There is next to zero game solving happening and FF is townreading half the playlist.

Lol ff just joined the game and you are pushing the shit out of her, there's no room to breathe. TRing half the playerlist is a towntell not a scum tell

Hi murdercat.
A breath of fresh air.
A new broom to sweep clean.
More importantly someone who I think i can read and someone who can towntell.

So tell me, do you TR me 72? Or do you think that I am actively trying to start the game as scum replacing into a slot that's not being pressured at all?

[MURDERCAT]

Egix, help me out here, come vote 72 with me. Me, you, ff, safebet, maybe we can get Mizzy to bus at that point

[MURDERCAT]

Select what you want next:

1. town case on fferyllt slot
2. town case on spangled slot
3. independent scum case on Mizzy
4. 72/Mizzy scum pair case

[Egix96]

Egix, help me out here, come vote 72 with me. Me, you, ff, safebet, maybe we can get Mizzy to bus at that point

Gladly.

VOTE: 72offsuit

As for the options, 2 is the only one I would see any use in.

[MURDERCAT]

Can do