Newbie 2038: Elements [Game Over]

[Mizzytastic]

Why? You think I'm scum but you don't want to talk about it with me?

I'm here and willing to talk, I'm sure 72 will claim when he is around (or he won't cos he 'can't believe how bad we all are' or something but *shrug*). Why just sit around in silence until that happens

[Mizzytastic]

Also, why does ff get a pass for bringing up no elim. She brought it up first and has admitted as such yet you paint it as me and 72? I get that you might think she is town otherwise but this feels misrepresentitive.

[Mizzytastic]

Like I said earlier, my perception was ff brought it up, I pushed it thinking I was being clever (and I still don't think it was a bad decision, though I'm happy to discuss it post game if I was wrong). 72 was just one of the people who went along with it.

[MURDERCAT]

Well I haven't made a case yet so I'm not sure there is anything concrete to discuss. I think you are probably scum with 72 but no one will care about that until after the 72 flip. I think your point is probably valid that maybe I am being unfair. At the same time, I feel that even good scum players slip, but I'll let the urge to argue it further go.

I will be releasing post 72 flip, at which point I will make a final determination about your alignment, but it will be mostly based on things that are already in the thread, so I don't feel like I need anything from you right now. But if there is anything you want to ask me, feel free.

Pedit I didn't remember that happening but I remember 72 saying that too. I looked briefly, but need to read that interaction again

[MURDERCAT]

I'm happy to discuss it post game if I was wrong

I would never claim to be right about something like this, it's a matter of opinion

[Mizzytastic]

But you were offering to do the independent scum case on me separate from 72 earlier as one of your list of options. Now you are making it sound like that's not really there and my alignment is inexorably tied to 72's?

pedit - a matter of opinion you are making a scum case out of

[fferyllt]

Yeah iirc I did bring it up first that we were at evens.

[fferyllt]

On mobile right now but seems like you’re advocating a policy lynch on me. What information do you hope to gain on D3 if im eliminated.

Not policy. POE.

I'm not going to vote myself, and I'll be extremely pissed if it comes down to voting a strong townread.

In fact, if that's how today winds down, I won't vote 72. We're at evens and if nothing changes that then we're looking at a 6-2 or 4-1 mxlo.

here.

[MURDERCAT]

But you were offering to do the independent scum case on me separate from 72 earlier as one of your list of options.

If people wanted to see it, but I won't have time to do this and spangled before the day ends and it doesn't make sense to do it independently if 72 is flipped

[MURDERCAT]

here.

Was this all or did you say something specifically about a no elim?

[fferyllt]

On mobile right now but seems like you’re advocating a policy lynch on me. What information do you hope to gain on D3 if im eliminated.

Not policy. POE.

I'm not going to vote myself, and I'll be extremely pissed if it comes down to voting a strong townread.

In fact, if that's how today winds down, I won't vote 72.

We're at evens and if nothing changes that then we're looking at a 6-2 or 4-1 mxlo.

@ff can you explain? I need to understand this before we lose more time.

Ha! I miswrote. Go me.

we're at 6-2 now which means that we need one more vote for an elim than we would if there had been a nightkill on night 1. 5 instead of 4.

If today's elim is town, then tomorrow we're at 4-2 and it's mislo (miselim and lose)* because we're 3-2 going into night phase and the NK will decide the game.

If we're at 5-1 tomorrow, then we get a breather, but the same issue comes up a day later with a 3-l exlo instead of 2-1. Getting the elim right in 3-1 is harder than getting it right in 2-1. and if town elims town there, then the scum team wins with that night kill.

I'm not the best at explaining numbers-based mafia theory, but I think I've got that right.

Also: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... e-and-Lose

* I can't settle on terminology for that gamestate for some reason. Terminology changed while I was on hiatus and afaict there isn't a consensus terminology yet. Maybe I'll stick with the wiki terminology!

This.

[Mizzytastic]

But you were offering to do the independent scum case on me separate from 72 earlier as one of your list of options.

If people wanted to see it, but I won't have time to do this and spangled before the day ends and it doesn't make sense to do it independently if 72 is flipped

This feels like you are just shutting me out. "I think you are obvscum but I don't have time to make that case but if you want to ask questions you can" - the thing I'm gonna be questioning is what you aren't giving me

[safebet222]

Select what you want next:

1. town case on fferyllt slot
2. town case on spangled slot
3. independent scum case on Mizzy
4. 72/Mizzy scum pair case

Egix, help me out here, come vote 72 with me. Me, you, ff, safebet, maybe we can get Mizzy to bus at that point

Gladly.

VOTE: 72offsuit

As for the options, 2 is the only one I would see any use in.

As for the options, 2 is the only one I would see any use in.

Yeah, 2 first then 3.

We asked for it, Mizzy.

[Mizzytastic]

I'm off to bed then. I'm pretty frustrated and don't want to get too wound up, and I'm struggling to stay awake anyway

[MURDERCAT]

This feels like you are just shutting me out. "I think you are obvscum but I don't have time to make that case but if you want to ask questions you can" - the thing I'm gonna be questioning is what you aren't giving me

Not at all, it's more that I feel like we agree that decision today is clear. I don't think you are obv scum, I think you have associations I don't like. I understand I haven't made a case on you, it's why I don't expect anyone to take it seriously

[MURDERCAT]

I'm off to bed then. I'm pretty frustrated and don't want to get too wound up, and I'm struggling to stay awake anyway

Sorry! If I were convinced you were scum I'd be pushing you, it's the fact that I want more info from the flip that makes me want to wait

[MURDERCAT]

Come back mizzy, I feel bad

[Mizzytastic]

I was busy anyway, now I'm going to bed. I'm mostly in a grump cos I'm fixing my sleep and it's not fully there yet and I had something I had to stay up for.

That said I am going to sleep now. Though I do wonder why you have both me and 72 in the same tier with two empty rows above us if you don't actually think I'm as scummy as him? Or has something changed?

[MURDERCAT]

Well I usually use 5 tiers but there is range from I want to elim this for sure today to I think this slot is also scum in the final tier. I do think your posts here are townie as well

[72offsuit]

Intent on 72

Clincher for me was something Egix said about one of my posts where I talk about pulling back cos I was worried about smothering the thread and how scum would keep doing it. That's what it feels like 72 is doing to me, and the game in general. He tries to get laurels for being the first to townread me but when I disagree he doesn't consider my thoughts, I just get pages trying to get me back in line with him. He says he's pushing the game forward but anything other than agreement gets supressed. The only consensus he cares about is one that is all him and to answer an earlier question if any player has contributed to my apathy it's that behaviour.

Also I don't think scum!CAT needs to bus there or line me up for the next elim.

If it is scum!72 I end up looking at Safebet and Spangled. Safebet has moved down for me today in general and 72 was weirdly interested in that slot all game. Spangled as a PoE alternative cos Egix has felt more town to me today and I don't think ff or CAT make sense as partners.

If it's town!72 I think I'd be obligated to look at CAT and ff but doubt that two players with maybe the most polarising interactions with town!72 actually end up being the scum team. It does kinda feel like Safebet can partner with anyone while sounding nice.

On an uncountered claim by 72 I'm voting ff. 3 town wagons at the end of yesterday still seems incredibly off to me

Im Jailkeeper

[72offsuit]

Jk C4 n1
Jk mizzy n2

[MURDERCAT]

No one cc yet

[MURDERCAT]

Why c4

[72offsuit]

Crumbed the jail action on c4 in case i was the kill target n2

[MURDERCAT]

Post it