Epilogue! - [Endgame]

[Hectic]

Ydrasse

, how much do actually think shelly/I are scum? I still can't get over the fact you have both of us bottom and lower than Bulge/MariaR in your readslist. Are you sheeping or heavily influenced by leuz's thoughts on us? I feel like you're reasonably familiar with both of us, I'm struggling to wrap my head around it.

I feel good about mafia again.

VOTE: Hectic

I do think Hectic just fence sat on every possible pairing.

I gave individual reads, not my fault

all

pairings have a scummer and a towner inside them.

Fencesitting on individual reads can be a scumtell. Your theory is that I'm lining up my reads to ensure I have 1 scum and 1 town in all pairs? what purpose does that even serve?

It isn't even true btw, it's only true of your pairing, and Oka/Fire's pairing where I have a clear town/scum in both.

[Hectic]

Feels like OMGUS tbh, rather have me out if I scumread you, right?

[Gamma Emerald]

b) Bell and Pooky were scum so town!Taylor had no choice, and Pooky was willing to sacrifice himself

obv this is the only universe I can entertain outside of d but I think there is a non-zero chance of this

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma he had 36 posts.

kewl

[Bell]

Flexibility. Why can't you imagine that?

[Gamma Emerald]

like for real reading through pooky's iso there is a definite turn from meme-y to the diary of a depressed widow in 18th century england

my rule for reading pooky these days is if you can form a thread of logic for why pooky is doing what he is, he is scum
XD

[Bell]

Feels like OMGUS tbh, rather have me out if I scumread you, right?

Not really. I just don't think you're being genuine in your hunting.

[Hectic]

Flexibility. Why can't you imagine that?

Not really in the position where scum!me should care about flexibility. Probably a lot easier to make up some reasons to scumread MariaR/Bulge, rather than admit I'm voting them because they're mostly null or nullscummy.

[Hectic]

I just don't think you're being genuine in your hunting.

Do you have examples?

[Gamma Emerald]

I gave individual reads, not my fault all pairings have a scummer and a towner inside them.

this is flat out impossible >:/

[Bell]

Taylor and Shelly. Dunstral probably.

[Hectic]

You think shelly here looks like she did in Death Curse? Her play is light and day.

Tayl0r is an obvious townread in that she opted to let Pooky die.

What's not genuine about those reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

You think shelly here looks like she did in Death Curse? Her play is light and day.

Tayl0r is an obvious townread in that she opted to let Pooky die.

What's not genuine about those reads?

but you also think Bell is scum
what's so towny about Taylor picking Bell!scum over pooky!scum?

[Bell]

I don't evaluate Whether Shelly is the same or not.
I evaluate whether she open wolfs, or seems like she's giggling inside.
Also, really doubt she isn't going to change up her meta.
I'm literally in this game.

It was when you chose to town read them, not why.
Also yeah, Taylor is pretty obviously.
Likewise you're arguing two sides of the same argument.

[Hectic]

I've been townreading shelly since day 1 before I was partnered with her. and it isn't just a single game of meta, I've reiterated this over and over, but I've played with scum!shelly 3 times, and seen her play 4 times, this isn't it.

[Hectic]

Where has she openwolfed, or "giggled inside", which would make my read disingenuous?

[Hectic]

You think shelly here looks like she did in Death Curse? Her play is light and day.

Tayl0r is an obvious townread in that she opted to let Pooky die.

What's not genuine about those reads?

but you also think Bell is scum
what's so towny about Taylor picking Bell!scum over pooky!scum?

Tayl0r is towny for that unless Bell is scum, yeah. I'm not going to preflip analyse my way into thinking Tayl0r is less towny for killing scum!Pooky, because Bell could be scum. That's something to evaluate when.. oh wait, we can never see Bell's flip before your flip, this is true, huh.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you're town for the attempt, fwiw

[Bell]

Two sides of the same argument. /:
What you doin.

Actually I just iso'd her again and she really is very, very different here. No hints of open wolfing whatsoever.
I was explaining that I don't read her based on whether she's the same or not, so saying she's different isn't enough for me.
hm.

[Bell]

Shelly, are you town here?

[Hectic]

Two sides of the same argument. /:

I don't get what you mean by this

My point is that meta is useful for reading her, and has been very useful to me in previous games for identifying are town/scum.

In Bus Service, I replaced in while she was a leading wagon with no counters on day 1, I immediately recognised she was town, and got the wagon to dissipate.
In Morning Tweet's Normal, I was very, very certain she was scum for a time early on, entirely due to meta and her play being very aggressive/blunt, and in bad faith.

I don't know how else to explain it, but meta is very useful for reading her until she demonstrates a game where she's completed changed it up.

[Bell]

You tried to argue that I was scum with Pooky at the same time as implicitly arguing that from my perspective I should see her as town for saving me as town.
The disingenuous part was that I was talking about post flip when I was talking about preflip.

...Are you telling me that I don't think meta is useful for reading her?

[Hectic]

Yep, if you're town, Gamma's slot should have a lot of towncred for picking you over scum.

The reasons to think you could be aligned with Pooky are for different reasons irrespective of Tayl0r's play. It's you saying you didn't in care for which us would be flipped in 1220, but clearly having a preference given the reasons you listed out there. You also made 1119 before that. Pooky's ISO being "fluff" does not compare to the reasons you gave for me, why not just state you prefer me to being left behind?

[Hectic]

...Are you telling me that I don't think meta is useful for reading her?

I still don't get what you're going on about here. We were talking about why you don't think my use of meta on her is genuine.

[Bell]

I was telling you if you were town not to underestimate her, because you seemed very comfortable with your meta read of her.